How Many Guns Do You Need?

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Andrew answers the question How Many Guns Do You Need?

On one hand there is the old adage “Beware the man with one gun because he probably knows how to use it.”. On the other we have the gun-nut school of enlightened modern thought that states “Never ever stop buying guns”. I am firmly a modernist.

Andrews old school thinking would cripple the industry (Just joking :) )

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  • JesseL

    My personal rule regarding having enough guns is: Once you start buying guns, you’ve got 10 years to accumulate as many guns as your age in years and you should maintain at least a 1:1 gun:age ratio forever after.

  • ahil925

    “How Many Guns Do You Need?”, you ask? MORE SAYS I! :D

  • W

    I think taking into the old adage into consideration, it is best to become intimately familiar with a class of weapons, since there are multiple variants of the same design previously unavailable when that adage was said.

    I believe one needs five guns:

    1.) a compact, concealable high-cap semi-automatic (a Glock 19 for example)
    2.) a intermediate range long gun (AR15 derivative)
    3.) a shotgun (mossberg 500 or remington 870)
    4.) a long range precision rifle (remington 700 in 308)
    5.) a good ‘ol 22 (ruger 10/22)

    how come? there is more than a abundance of spare parts available for these weapons, ammunition is easily obtainable around the world…especially in the US, they are very reliable, and easy for armorer maintenance.

    I would like to point out that the AR15 is one of the most versatile weapons ever conceived. Regardless of a sea of BS, AR15 platforms are reliable, and if taken care of properly, are utterly reliable in my experience. Another advantage is the insane amount of spare parts available for this weapon, not to mention plug and play modifications that don’t require hand fitting and precise gunsmithing. Besides, proper 5.56 ammunition (green tip is good for plinking but is marginal as a personal defense round) is very effective against human assailants and medium-size game. Unlike AK derivatives, AR15′s can be more than battle accurate.

    My friend Robert (who was a naval special warfare operator) and I had a lighthearted conversation about ideal “end of the world” firearms. His contention was a Glock and a AR15. I find it hard to disagree :)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      I think I should add, I think another class of gun everyone needs is a machine gun, a short-barreled rifle (because they are fun) and a suppressor (ok, not a weapon, but you know what I mean).

  • Oswald Bastable

    It’s not how many I NEED, it’s how many I WANT!

  • http://smcfirearms.com Gregory Markle

    My usual answers to common questions:

    Q: How many guns do you have?
    A: Not Enough.

    Q: How many magazines/how much ammo should I have for each gun?
    A: More.

    Regardless of the actual quantities involved, these questions are ALWAYS correct!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Gregory, yes :)

  • John Doe

    A shotgun and a handgun for home defense, a handgun for concealed carry and some rifles for target shooting and hunting. In my mind, that’s all you need.

  • Mr. Fahrenheit

    I don’t think Andrew should have asked, “How many guns do you need?” He should have asked, “”What kind of guns do you need?”

    Because he answered the latter and not the former.

    FWIW, My .44 and 30/30 lever action rifles are the only long guns I think I’ll ever need.

  • JMD

    Great video. This is basically what I usually tell people who say things like, “I want a new gun. What should I buy?”

    I ask them, “What capability gap do you need to fill?” Then we go through those seven categories. If all the slots are filled, I usually suggest more training and ammo instead of a new firearm.

    Keep up the good work, guys.

  • jdun1911

    Firearms are good investment. They do well against inflation as seen in the used handgun market. For example a firearms that was bought 20 years ago at $200 can be resold used at least that price.

  • Hogan

    I checked out this guy’s blog and some of his videos, and I want to start off saying that his work is top notch and production value is solid. I will definitely add him to the rotation of blogs to check.

    That being said, something about this video kind of rubs me the wrong way.

    The author acknowledges his hypocrisy (as if that somehow makes it ok), but then proceeds to condescend to people who own too many guns (while he does a slideshow of a pretty tacticool and high end collection). For a guy with a gun collection that looks inspired by a magpul training video, it’s a little dicey to start opining on how other people are being wasteful or showing off. I realize that I’m taking his video personally, but subtly being admonished for a large collection by a gun blogger with a pretty serious arsenal is a little aggravating. Personally, I own more guns than I need, but less than I want.

    The truth is, there are many anti-gunners who would look at his blog and think he’s a paranoid right winger waiting for some civil war with his collection of combat arms and equipment. Personally, I don’t. He’s a gun guy, like all of us, and he gets excited about the Aimpoint Pro the way others get excited about the latest Mac product. In that vein, I don’t think it is wise for us to form a circular firing squad and start judging each other about what or how many firearms we own.

    Again, I think he does nice work, and I will support his blog, but this train of thought seems short sighted.

  • Robert

    That old adage sounds good, but that’s about it. Much more likely, the man with one gun inherited it from his dad or grandpa and stowed it in a drawer and never shot it, or bought it because the neighborhood is getting rough and thought it might be good to have just in case, and then shoved it into a drawer and forgot about it, or only pulls it out once in a while site it in before heading out to harvest a deer or some ducks (which is less likely than the other two, actually; I don’t know a single hunter who only has one gun, if only because you need more than that to be able to hunt more than one kind of game).

    People who get really good at shooting practice a lot, which means they need to have more than one gun in case theirs breaks (which it probably will), or else they will experience a fair amount of downtime while a gunsmith works on it. If they’re competition shooters, they may also tend to upgrade fairly often in order to take advantage of technological advances or new techniques (or because they are financially more able to buy better equipment, or because their sponsor asks them to use their equipment, etc.).

    So, I don’t buy it.

  • SpudGun

    I’m in total agreement with Andrew, these are the 7 types of gun that you ‘need’. I think people often mix up ‘needs’ with ‘wants’.

    I don’t need a single action revolver or lever action rifle, but I still have them as they’re fun and useful. As for ‘wanting’ a machine gun – I got that out of my blood stream years ago and will never go back – way to heavy on the wallet. ;)

  • gunslinger

    how many guns do you need? enough to get the job done.

    ask an open question, get an open answer ;-)

  • Nooky

    The one thing I don’t need is “do what I say not what I do” videos.

  • http://rockinaseaofchaos.blogspot.com That Guy

    How many do I need?

    One of each.

    Once I have one of each, then I start buying the ones I want.

  • JC

    Nice video, I think that is a good “minimum” for the amount of guns to have. However, I would guess that there are very few people who have those 7 tyes of guns, but nothing more. I remember being told once, “If you know how many guns you have, then you don’t have enough.”

  • WeaponBuilder

    I’d have to agree with Gregory & Steve!

    You can never have ‘Enough’ guns because you’ll never know what situation(s) for which a quantitative assessment of ‘Enough’ should be evaluated.

    Seven is a good recommended MINIMUM to have a well rounded range of firearm capability coverage, but One is None, and Two is One. Having a back-up to each one doubles the number to 14. I could be satisfied with 14 firearms.

    After that point, I’d likely stick with buying Ammo / loading components, USEFUL accessories that notably improve performance of those firearms (optics, magazines, tac lights, slings), and then move on to the NFA stuff.

    I vehemently disagree with John Doe, your sentiment forced onto others, as well as a primed, unevenly stacked legislature and white house is what led to the 1994 “Assault Weapons” Ban – which did nothing to curb gun crime, and solely increased firearms and accessory prices, and reduced availability of many useful, sought-after firearms and accessories.

    While on the University Armament Club, after every range practice trip I had to drop off my Ruger 10/22 (in black polymer stock) at the University Police Dept, they’d have to log it into their evidence locker, and while the paperwork was being filed I had to endure a 20 minute lecture about how my gun was an “DAMN ASSAULT RIFLE” and that “NOBODY SHOULD OWN GUNS LIKE THIS!” How “NO CIVILIANS NEED TO OWN ANY SEMI-AUTO RIFLES!”

    The words “SPORTING”, “TARGET”, and “HUNTING” do not appear ANYWHERE in the Second Amendment, and there are numerous reasons for that.

    Steve, you’re right, everybody should own at least one NFA weapon, and a Suppressor. I hope in the next ~5 years to own at least two suppressors, one of which will hopefully be on an NFA Mac-10 or UZI in 45 ACP.

    I don’t care about the OPINIONS of John Doe and others like him regarding what THEY think I should “NEED”. I don’t force my opinions on others, and I don’t advocate that MY opinion be used to force freedom-restricting legislation upon others.

    Gregory summed it up the best – you can never have enough.

  • Geore

    I like Andrew’s idea on a list of what are the minimum IDEAL firearms that one should own. But to preface with ‘owning for the sake of owning is stupid’ turns me off right away.

    Either he is looking for criticism/attention or he doesnt know how to properly formulate a helpful opinion.

    In general a good message, but executed poorly.

    P.S. – +1 on owning at least a SBR or suppressor. MGs are difficult because of supply and demand …

  • Scott

    Need? 1 good rifle, shotgun, and pistol + a .22.

    Everything else is gravy.

  • Steve

    The producer ignores the fact that guns while being tools, are also fun. More guns = more fun. Fun is essential to the human psyche. His approach may be suitable for those that have no connection between guns and fun however. Poor bastards.

  • don dallas

    I don’t mean to start any arguements but… Is this guy for real? Does he think that he can influence how many guns you, and I buy? I’ll say it nice and slow… NO WAY. Guns are a fun hobby, and obviousley all on this site share it, but now some one is telling us we have to many guns?!?
    I shoot ALL of my guns and find that each one of them fills a roll, I have never felt I have had to many guns.

  • Mechman

    I like that he gives me permission to have more guns at the end, if I need them for hunting.

  • Ragman_6

    Just one more. Always. Just one more……

  • Greg Bell

    Unless you are a soldier or a cop in a bad area all you really need is a J-frame with laser grips for personal and home defense. It is handy enough to carry, and it can be dry fire practiced easily (especially in conjunction with the laser). If you are a hunter (really a hunter, not someone who once went hunting) then you need a rifle appropriate to the animal. Other than that, you are wasting your money.

  • jpcmt

    I didn’t like the tone of the commentator suggesting there should be a limit because there is no limit for guns…except maybe storage space. While I keep a set of guns that I believe serve utilitarian purposes, I would love to buy any and every gun I see and like and want (not need but ‘want’).

    However, because I’m used to only getting one gun at a time and having several months between further gun purchases, it allows me to appreciate, study, alter/accessorize (if needed/desired), learn how to use, and grow bored with it. I can guess how unappreciative I’d be, how unlearned in it’s use and control if I bought a few guns at once. If I had $100,000 just to spend on guns I’d probably modify or replace what I have with their highest quality likenesses (exchange the bulgarian ak for that arsenal, the 12moa mosin 91/30 for a MO quality hex barrel version, etc.)…then I’d go get that nice 338LM AI bolt gun with the folding stock and a stupid expensive 10x scope on it…get 3 pack of good noveske guns (leonidas .308, 18″spr, 12″sbr) with all the tacticool bells and whistles I could think of, a pair of good tromix saiga 12s all done up nice and pretty, a full compliment of glocks: a pair of 21SFs, a pair of 30′s, a pair of 22′s, 23′s, and 27′s all prettied up with match barrels and 3.5lb triggers and the other good aftermarket bells and whistles. Then I’d hook up the kids with some GSG 22 rifles..and paint guns. Ok, i’ll shut up.

  • zeonxavier

    Another categorical thinker here – I suppose the motivating purpose behind owning each category of gun ought to fill in a capability gap of some sort.

    .22 practice pistol – check
    Light, thin concealed carry pistol – check
    Full-size concealed carry pistol – check

    All-purpose shotgun – none

    .22 practice rifle – check
    Military caliber carbine – check
    Hunting rifle – check
    Big Game Rifle – none

    Your personal priorities may vary, but I found it useful to think about building a “battery” along these lines. (Thank you, Col. Jeff Cooper)

  • jdun1911

    Gregory Markle,

    I agree with 1.

    On the magazine part. My personal rules of thumb of are:
    5 magazines per auto handgun. If it used it competition 10 or more.
    7 magazine for each auto loader rifle 15 or more if it is used for competition.

  • jdun1911

    If you have enough money for one firearm I always suggest a shotgun.

    Steve,

    I agree. Converting a normal rifle into a short barrel rifle is easy if you have an AR15. Create a Trust. Fill out the ATF forums. Write a $200 check. Takes about 30 minutes in your home. Than get the Trust notarized (free at your bank). Send it in.

    For suppressor. They do all the work for you at the gunshop. Just bring in a copy of your trust and a $200 check for the ATF.

  • http://www.twitter.com/johncfarrier John Farrier

    I only own one gun, but as a rule, I wouldn’t want to have more guns that I have time to practice with. I don’t want to own a gun but rarely use it.

  • howlingcoyote

    You can never have enough guns, ammo, or knives!
    Just go to your local gun show and you’ll see what I mean!

  • Andrew (European Correspondent)

    Hey Steve, thanks for posting this. I was going to send it to you to look at, but you had it posted before I even had the chance ;)

    I ran the video by a friend after I made it, and he told me that I was going to upset a few people. Frankly, I’m surprised that there aren’t more twisted tails – although that wasn’t the point of the video.

    The point was “Be sure you know why you’re buying another firearm.” You don’t have to justify it to anyone except yourself. But if you’re buying guns to impress others while telling anyone who says otherwise that you don’t care what someone else thinks – well…

  • Sean

    Well, enough is when you run out of money to buy and feed new ones.
    I personally feel that the 35 or 40 I have is not nearly enough. I just don’t have the money right now to continue getting new ones.

  • http://www.nitroexpress.com Mehul Kamdar

    The old saying “Beware of the one gun man, he likely knows what he is shooting,” originally referred to shotgunning. There was a trend in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to have multiple shotguns for different types of hunting among those who could afford multiple guns especially in Britain – long barreled, heavy guns for waterfowl, lighter guns for driven birds and so on. Simply put, someone with one gun was much more likely to know where his shotgun printed than someone with multiple shotguns who had to deal with different swing techniques, possibly differing balance etc with multiple guns. We have come a long way since then, of course, and with modern methods of teaching shotgunning it is possible to adapt a shooting technique to several different types of shotgun with success.

    The old saying comes handy, of course, for sly anti-gunners who find it convenient to suggest that no one really needs more than one gun, giving the saying a completely different context these days. :)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Mehul, thats very interesting!

  • Beaumont

    Mehul wins the internets.

  • John Doe

    I think what everyone’s saying is guns for defense + guns for fun. Personally, I derive my fun from long range shooting, so I’m looking at this .338 Lapua Magnum semi automatic.

  • 543

    I’m personally don’t give advice that suggests which firearms you should own or how many or what caliber you should use in general. That is a matter of personal preference with no right or wrong answer. Having an evolving firearms collection with plenty of ammo is something I personally prefer for multiple reasons.

  • crai SA

    I would have to agree with Scott.
    every man can do with a good shotgun, rifle, and pistol. basic and simple utility from a multitude of disciplines,(defensive, hunting, competition, ect)
    but, being a collector, i.e. c&r licence holder, the sky really is the limit between wanting/needing/having, not to mention having the proper collateral because the costs of shooting and training/range timearen’t getting any cheaper

  • Hrachya Hayrapetyan

    How many guns do you need? Who asks this question?
    I completely agree with Gregory Markle…but this is good for me. Another guy may only need a blank firing pistol and nothing else! Everybody need as much, as they want and able to own!
    He says you need one full size handgun…but I need at least these 3:
    1. A 1911 , because it’s a 1911
    2. Glock 17, to fight :)
    3. A S&W L frame revolver, because I like them !
    What about semi auto shotguns? …. What about hunters ? Some hunters need at least 3 bolt action rifles (long, short and magnum action). I want a T/C contender or Encore to shoot some JDJ wildcats.
    So my opinion is that this video is useless …because answer of this question is DIFFERENT for each person !!!

    P.S. I like the http://vuurwapenblog.com/ , but this video is absolutely wasting of time (IMHO) !

  • FarmerTed1971

    Need? There is no NEED… only WANT. I have MANY because I like different calibers and configurations. Don’t hate me.

  • cc19

    The first rule of gunfighting.

    1.Have a gun.
    a. Preferably, have at least two guns.
    b. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

  • Tony

    Some of these comments are why the rest of the world views americans as “Gun Nuts” and not in a good way. Your armoury is your toolbox, you fill it with the tools you needs, and the more those tools get used the higher quality you buy. You do not buy a CNC machine just because it would be fun to have, just as 99.3% of the people in the world have no use for a anti tank rifle, nor the skill to use it.

    By all means own enough guns to cover the major calibres (Western and com block) plus any specialty calibres which you use on a regular basis but to simply own lots of guns because they’re cool invites criticism for no good reason, and the money spent on filling another slot in the cabinet would be much better spent on training, ammunition and upgrades to existing platforms.

  • Sandwichy

    1) Semi Auto Mag Fed Rifle: None
    2) Bolt Action: English made Lee-Enfield No.1 mk. 4.
    3) 12 Ga.: Mossberg 500
    4) 22. Rifle: Browning BL-22 Lever Action.
    5) Service Sized Handgun: Springfield GI 5 1/2″ SS .45, Desert Eagle 9mm Semi-Compact. (I seriously do not know in which dictionary these companies are looking up the term “compact.”)
    6) Compact Handgun: Glock 26, Beretta 21a.
    7) .22 Lr Handgun: Heritage Rough Rider 22Lr./ .22 Mag., Beretta 21a.

    Why do I still feel so naked?

    Was planning an AR build and/or an AK-74 purchase but now I feel I need a modern scoped bolt action in a .308, a shotgun with interchangeable barrels and an actual duty sized modern pistol.

    Great, thanks to this jerk I have to buy more guns. I guess I needed an excuse for an M&P .45.
    Also, Large Caliber revolver doesn’t have its have it’s own category?

  • http://suburbansdomain.blogspot.com/ Suburban

    - As a Libertarian, I don’t think we should limit what people do with the money they have left over after paying for the “essentials.” If you want to own 250 firearms, or put $200,000 worth of turbos, neon, fiberglass, and stereo equipment into your Honda Civic, that’s okay with me (although I might laugh at the Civic), if you can afford it without starving your kids or whatever.

    - If you are going to “flush money down the toilet,” I’d prefer that it go to people who support our rights – including gun shops, ranges, and manufacturers. I also appreciate that such spending really pisses off people who don’t support our rights.

    I’ve been at it for a while, and was lucky to be in a situation where I had disposable income. I’ve got most of my bases covered, really, at least the bases that I need/want to cover. Now working on getting high-quality optics, a good stash of ammo and components, and getting the training to put the firearms to better use. Given the political situation swirling around regarding gun rights, I don’t regret the order that I’ve done things.

  • KTBabs

    I guess he’s right, in that you shouldn’t buy guns to impress others. His list actually makes sense, especially for a SHTF scenario:

    -Intermediate Magazine-fed Rifle: for Medium range engagements and self defense
    -Large Caliber Bolt Action: for hunting big game or Long range engagements
    -12 Gauge Shotgun: for Close Quarters and game hunting
    -.22LR Rifle: for practice and varmint hunting
    -.22 Pistol: for practice and again, varmint hunting
    -Open Carry Sidearm: for Close Quarters self-defense
    -Concealed Carry Pistol: self explanatory

    Makes a good list for an end of the world scenario lol

  • Travis

    That’s funny, I have 7 guns and each of them fall into these categories. I still think I need (want) more guns though..

  • John Doe

    But there are specific guns everyone should own. M1911, 10/22, an AR-15 and a Remi 700. I love my .300 Win Mag 700 with an unparalleled passion.

  • MeAgain

    How many guns do you need?
    What a stupid question. I like Andrew’s blog and generally like his vids but this was not one of his better videos or topics.
    So how many guns do you need? It depends on the owner and what you are doing with them. You have hunters that may hunt in many different areas and tailor their gear towards what and where they are hunting. There are places near me that only allow shotguns while other places are ok with rifles. You may choose a different shotgun for deer hunting than duck hunting if your wallet can handle it.
    Then there are the competition guys. There are some guys that shoot almost any competition they can find. It doesn’t matter if it’s IDPA, steel plate or even Cowboy Action. These guys shoot it all and the gun requirements are different.
    What about those of us that carry concealed? The gun that I carry in Feb while wearing several layers of clothing is not the gun that I may carry in July when I’m running around in shorts and a t-shirt.
    My feeling is that your money is YOUR money. Spend it on whatever you want and if you like looking at a safe full of guns then go for it. If stamp collecting, rock collecting or freakin Barbie collecting is your thing then, “To each his own.” Spend your money on whatever gives you the most enjoyment.
    I suspect that Andrew didn’t really think this video out very well before posting it. I would bet that he originally intended it as a basic collection or beginning arsenal type of vid. It was probably a list of what kind of guns an average well rounded gun owner should have instead of a condemnation of those that buy guns for the shear pleasure of owning a beautiful tool or well made machine.

  • Pablo Rivera

    Being that Firearms are a hobby anyway, it is relegated to hobby expenditure. If a person is buying extra firearms , its usually extra money. Besides firearms are liquid anyway, so in the event of hard times firearms ,if not used, only increase in value. You may buy a pistol for X ammount and as time and inflation increase the price of that same firearm, you can sell it for that newer price at a substanitial profit.
    Also, in the event of national crisis or some really catastrophic event, you can sell your firearms or trade for multiple times the price as their value will multiply. Instead of buying 10 ozs of gold it might be better to buy 30 pistols and keep them to trade for medicine, fuel, or food and water. Being that gold is @ $1800 that equals maybe three glock handguns and some left over. Ammo might have an even greater return.
    We also can’t forget our gun grabbing liberals, who may illegalise some firearms which in the past have multiplide their value many times over.
    One other important aspect is that the dollar is devaluating, so keeping money that is day by day becoming worth less is not better that commodities that can only increase in value. Coins might be better than dollars, but guns will keep you and your family alive, and people will pay through the nose to have them.

  • 543

    Tony most Americans reading your comment would take it the wrong way. Every member of my family(male & female) owns firearms whether their liberals, conservatives, libertarians or what ever else. We have a constitutional right to bear arms even my state’s constitution guarantees the right to bear arms and the right to rebel both thanks to the brutal British occupation of my state(New Hampshire). My family has weapons that belonged to my great-grandfather and grandfather with some of those guns being for over 100 years in my family. To us Americans who grew up around firearms it is more than just a gun-boogers question of “How Many Guns Do You Need?” it’s a matter of preserving our cultural identity(read up on U.S. history) and our constitutional right to it. For most of the people reading this outside the U.S. this is something you won’t understand because you didn’t grow up here or experience the vast variety of firearms like we Americans have. Heck most of you outside the U.S. have allready effectively surrendered your firearms ownership rights to your nanny state and sissified your future generations. The only comparable country to U.S. civilian firearms ownership is Switzerland.

  • charles222

    I’d be even more conservative and say you could go with four or five and have your needs covered:

    -Service pistol (don’t go overboard with one, either, particularly if you’re married. Make sure you purchase a firearm both yourself and your spouse can use effectively.)

    -Hunting rifle (if it can double as a combat weapon, AKA an AR-10, M1 Garand, or something along those lines, all the better; I have an M1 Garand here at home.)

    -shotgun (if your state doesn’t allow rifle hunting of deer)

    -combat rifle (if you live in a particularly dangerous area or have the funds to burn for what can be a very expensive hobby, otherwise you don’t strictly need one.)

  • Tony

    543: Nobody is saying don’t own guns, I’m not even saying don’t own several guns (and I don’t count collections and heirlooms as part of an arsenal) what I’m saying is to own a large number of guns which all serve a similar purpose is counterproductive. It gift wraps a club for the anti gun lobby to beat you over the head with, in much the same way that the open carry movement is doing. If you want an AR, have an AR, have an AK too, but do you really feel the need to have ARs in 5 different configs and everthing from a Krink pistol to an RPK just because you can?

    Of course their is the arguement of ahving spares, but unless you have a real KABOOM then spare parts are better than spare guns, especially in a SHTF situation.

    As for the Swiss being like American with their attitude to guns, are you mad, they effectively have what the founding fathers intended you to have, not what you’ve ended up with, ie an armed vigilant militia enshrined in law, not a bunch of people who just happen to own enough guns to start a medium sized war.

    Oh, and as far as handing over our rights, gun control is not disarmament, France, Austria, Germany, UK, finland, sweden, Norway etc all have millions of guns in civilian hands, it’s just that (at least here in the UK) we like to know that a person knows what they’re doing before dropping a deadly weapon into their mitts, rather than letting them just grab one down at Wal-Mart.

  • Sandwichy

    I think the overall message of the video was to know why you’re buying the guns you’re buying. If you’re a collector then a purchase doesn’t have to make practical sense. Why would I need a 1932 Spanish Ruby when I’ve got a polymer 9mm to carry every day. The mindset I believe this guy is trying to combat is “I’ve got a 9mm, .40 and a .45 so I’ve got my bases covered.” Or, “I have four AR-15′s and four HK pistols so my family is set during (insert disaster here.)”
    With the market growing for tactical weapons and accessories people forget that they might need to learn iron sights before deciding on an AR with optics as their first rifle. Let’s just say that these are the seven categories you need to keep close together in a grab bag once you see the first undead hand break through the sod.
    As far as telling the audience what make and model these guns need to be, I’m not gonna try and convince someone of something other than their personal preference. Unless you choose the Chauchat over an RPD, or a similar completely idiotic choice. I will say, the only man you need to fear worse than the man with one gun is the man that tells you you only need one gun. And if that gun happens to be a compact revolver with a laser, I would say “complete and utter Hogwash!!”

  • Sandwichy

    I’m sorry, I’ve just arrived from a labor day pool party and have obviously forgotten how to use commas.

  • http://gunsafehaven.com Jack Burton

    Solid list, but he forgot the eighth…the machete launcher:

  • http://www.cdmsales.com.au Chris B

    Since they banned semi auto rifles and 12g’s and pump action shotguns here in Australia i have accumulated more for specific tasks rather than making a few do everything with addons and mods. If i cant have an AR heavy barrel in .223, i must have, a lightweight pump say the 7615, a HB savage and a ligtweight mini mauser farm rifle. Rather than my lamented crushed FNFAL for deer hunting i ended upwith a close work 7600 patrol rifle, HB range rifle M82 for the crop fields a midweight Winchester M70 for the hills and a trashed k98 for

  • 543

    Tony for someone posting on a gun blog your pretty anti-gun, and you continue to be disrespectful towards our American culture and your lack insight into our way of life is showing. The U.S supreme court has ruled by the way that 2nd amendment also covers individual gun rights. Plus how can you have an opinion on how many handguns or AR-15′s us gun toting Americans should have when you don’t even live here and for the most part you can’t even own in the UK, the how many guns,ammo, spare-parts doesn’t apply to you anyway. I not going argue anymore with you it being Labor Day and a perfect sunny day to go shooting with my cousins and buddies.

  • abprosper

    How many you need depends on you skill profile and wealth and where you live. Assuming money is not an issue and you live in the US and have decent gun laws here is how I see it ..

    Low Skill — Rare Shooter

    1-2 firearms #1 revolver .38 cal — 3-4″ barrel bobbed hammer or hammerless with laser grip . This is as idiot proof a gun as can be made and ample for self defense Optional #2 double barreled shotgun, 20 gauge. Not 12g most people can’t handle that. Get a 20G double with 2 and 3/4″ non magnum #3 buck for defense, birdshot for pests and slugs for longer shooting

    Medium Skill

    #1 Handgun,. your choice for carry. #2 Shotgun 12g or 20g you choice #3 .22 rifle for practice #4 .22 pistol for practice #5 Medium rifle such as 30/30 or SKS — moderate recoil, useful in defense easier to use.

    High Skill

    As above, removing medium rifle and adding either .223 Rifle and medium deer rifle or just a .308 semi auto and optionally a service sized handgun and a back up gun to the ccw weapon.

    Extra Cash

    .22′s of choice , silly arms such as derringers or tiny pocket autos in an existing caliber (bug, .22, sidearm) pistol caliber carbine

  • jdun1911

    Tony,

    In America we have something called the Second Amendment. The 2nd is a right. It is not a privilege. A privilege is like a driver license which the government can take away whenever they like or grant it.

    Since the 2nd been incorporated by the High Court. It is now a civil right issue. That means that if someone try to prevent you from getting a gun by lawful means you can sue them into bankruptcy. That’s the main reason why most anti-gun organization for the most part have shut up. They can’t prevent you from getting a gun by lawful means just like they can’t prevent you from voting.

    People shouldn’t be scare to fight for your rights. If they push you push them back. If you do not fight back than the end result is your rights being taken away as we seen in other countries. The reason why Americans still have rights because Americans keep fighting back the liberals and gun grabbers.

    I own a lot of guns. My gun budget is 1 to 4 guns a year. I know people that buy a gun every month. I know people that that have over 1 million dollar worth in their firearm collection. I know people that open carry in the street. I know people that conceal carry in the street. They are exercising their rights.

  • jdun1911

    Sandwichy,

    While I do shot iron sight from time to time, it doesn’t take much effort to learn it. Optic does give you a clear advantage. In fact if you see pictures of US military people in action you’ll notice that some of their AR that have optics does not have BUIS (back up iron sights). Optics have came to a point that it is reliable enough without the need for BUIS.

  • jdun1911

    Pablo Rivera,

    Yes that’s correct. Firearms is a hobby, an expensive hobby for a lot of people. Not as expensive as collecting or rebuilding old cars, tho.

  • Sandwichy

    jdun1911,
    I would equate it to driving a stick. You might not use the skill very much, but it’s very helpful to know. I probably shoot more with iron sights than I drive manual transmissions. I’m all for AR’s with optics, I will have one soon. As far as iron sighting, I would argue that it is a basis for marksmanship and scopes would be the next step. Thanks for responding.

    abprosper,
    Your wealth shouldn’t dictate anything. If by wealth you mean the amount of disposable income you’re willing to let go of, then by all means. I also don’t believe in the concept of an idiot-proof gun. Guns should not be made easier for idiots to use. My first legal age gun purchase was a 1911. I don’t like the idea of someone being denied that option.

  • Tony

    543: I am not anti gun, in fact I’m about the most Pro-Gun Brit you’re everlikely to meet, I almost certainly spend more time on the range than 90% of american gu owners. I would love to have the pistols and semi-auto rifles I own here in the country of my birth instead of sitting in a relatives gun cab on another continent, However, that does not mean I agree with the American gun ownership model, frankly I think it is, in several states, completely retarded.

    Jdun1911: The 2nd ammendment is 27 words, giving americans the right to own guns, it was based on a similar passage in the English bill of rights, over here we have the right to bear arms too, it is simply what arms we are allowed to bear which is restricted, and the fed gov can do the same to you any time they like just as they have done with the destructive device definition and the ban on new machineguns for civilian sales.

    All is would take is one bad election for gun owners and you guys could be down to double barrel shotguns and bolt action rifles, 2nd ammendment or not.

  • abprosper

    Sandwichy, I mean based on how much money you can spend, not anything else. I could care less how many guns someone has.

    As for choices, most people are not gun people and rarely practice with the ones they have. The guns I suggested are for people who may need/want a gun but meet that criteria and may not increase much in skill, wither from lack of time or interest. Those two choices require the least amount of skill to use safely in a self defense situation while retaining adequate capability. If a person is unusually weak or low in resources, a .22 revolver is not a bad idea as an alternative. Its easy to shoot and if they have time, cheap as well. Its not a great “stopper” whatever that is but it will kill if needs must which is good enough. The revolver of course offers simplicity and if as often happens with .22 the round is less than reliable, just pull the trigger again

    Obviously as a person moves up in skill, what weapons will be useful to them will increase.

    Also if a person should feel an affinity for a certain arm and can shoot it well, no reason they shouldn’t pick that one. If its an auto though, they will need more practice is all.

    The best solution is of course to try them out, easy with pistols most places. Harder with riles and shotguns.

  • noob

    This might be opening up a whole nother can of worms… but how do you feel about using conversion kits (esp .22 conversions) to eliminate two guns out of seven?

    eg, replace the ruger 10/22 with a .22 conversion kit for the AR you already have.

    and replace the .22 target pistol with the .22 conversion kit for your glock.

    Also another idea – parts commonality.

    if you like glocks, you could have a glock subcompact and a glock full size which take the same mags. (and the full size can take the .22 conversion kit!). You can also stock up on a few spare parts like slide release levers and trigger bars that can go into either gun.

    You could also choose an AR-10 as your semi-auto rifle to have ammo commonality with the bolt action hunting rifle.

    or you could choose the AR-10 as your hunting rifle and be able to swap things like furniture, rail accessories and so on with your AR-15.

    Are there any other combinations of weapons that exist where you can strip the parts out of one weapon in one role and put the parts into another weapon in a different role to keep it running?

  • Sandwichy

    ABProsper,
    As far as the wealth comment, I’m sorry, I shouldn’t nitpick wording like that.
    I will disagree with you though, I don’t think people who have a lack of interest in guns should own guns. (By interest I mean at least interested in learning how to shoot straight.)
    As far as your list, you set forth a double barrel 20ga shotgun with three different types of shells for different purposes as a good gun for low skilled shooters. It seems a little complicated for someone with a lack of time and interest in guns. Each gun needs to be learned. You’re not gonna spend a year with a revolver and a double barrel shotgun and then be some sort of sharpshooter with a duty sized auto. You’re just going to be really accurate with a revolver and a shotgun, and inaccurate with your automatic.
    Overall, among people I know, those who bought specific guns they were told to buy, don’t shoot those guns (Ruger .38, Ruger LCP.) Those who chose something they were interested in learning use those guns a ton more.

  • Cisco

    543,

    In regards to what Tony is talking about, without even reading his last comment, I saw where he was going with his statements. It looks like you have woefully misunderstood his meanings and took the comments as personal attacks. I think it would be mighty foolish of us to over look his comments. He can give us a better inside to what others see of us and our gun ownership. He has not been anti-american or anti-gun. He has not said we are evil for having arsenals. Instead he has given his opinion as an outsider, something we can only guess at. It would be arrogant to think his opinion is invalid because he is not a US citizen. It is even more arrogant to think we know what people from other countries think, when we have probably never lived there or been subject to their laws. I do not agree with everything he has given his opinion on, but I believe he has some important messages we should consider, even if they are not what we like to hear.

    Does anyone really NEED a gun like they need food and water? No, but do I want? Yes. Should we consider what our images are to those who seek to deny our rights? Yes. I dont care if others judge me, but if those images or judgements will be used against me to take away my rights to gun ownership, then I am concerned. I am not going to let those concerns stop me from doing what I want, but in my opinion identifying those concerns and being conscience of them will help me formulate a better defense for my personal collection and my rights.

    I want to clarify I am not anti-guns or pro-gun limitation. I personally own 8 handguns, 9 rifles, and a shotgun. I want/will get more guns and will not let myself be limited to anyone elses opinion to how many I should or should not own.

    In regards to the video, I disagree with his list and even the fact he thought he could assign the “right” number. I do find it interesting to see what he thinks would be on the list and I find myself creating a list of “must haves” for fun. To me it would make for an interesting conversation at the shooting range, all gun rights and owner limitation arguments aside.

  • Sid

    One. I only need the one I am holding for home defense.

    And the one that I intend to use next as a backup, so two.

    And the one I really want, so three is my answer.

    Hunting season is coming up so I will need one for that, so my answer is four.

    And I do want one for plinking, so five.

    But I do want one for skeet shooting, so six.

    If my schedule allows, I was hoping to start competing in 3 gun, so 9.

    But I have a friend involved in SASS and I am thinking I might start shooting in that, so 12.

    12. My final answer is 12. Unless you count those that I have collected for senitmental reasons….

  • Sandwichy

    Cisco: Well said.
    Sid: You are completely wrong. Correct answer is 356.

    ABProsper: Good point about “unusually weak or low in resources.” It is easy to forget about limitations when you live in Texas. I was speaking to a Central American friend of mine at work today. He said his mother only had a .22 revolver when they were moving around their country trying to get away from the political turmoil there. Now that’s a very hairy situation where resources and time for practice are indeed not at all available.

  • mark

    How many guns do I need??? My answer is however many I want. How many cars do you need? How many vacation homes do you need? How many motorcycles do I need? The question is totally irrelevant since you can only shoot one at a time.

  • Mark

    This is a free country… At lease for now and I “need” as many guns as I decide is right for me. Nobodies business but my own.

  • Mark

    Since this government is about to attempt to disarm the masses thru international treaty you should own as many as possible. They will become extremely valuable in the black market when this country experiences total social collapse in the near future.

  • Cody

    All I like is a 22lr semi auto rifle, I rent the 22 pistol when I want to improve my accuracy. Im surprised no one put a revolver on the list, if SHFT ever comes to play, revolvers will be my last resort when cleaning supplies run out or things get thin with maintenance with my semi pistol. so I would add that a revolver of 357 or bigger should be on the list.