“I shot myself!” Negligent Discharge Caught on Camera


Tex Grebner shot himself while drawing his Kimber .45. His negligent discharge was caught on camera. The bullet traveled down his leg and exited just above his knee. I could not help watching it without wincing. Tex took full responsibility for the negligent discharge but explains how it happened. If you use multiple holsters for the same gun, this video is a MUST watch.

Click through to watch the video which is NSFW (language used in the heat of the moment and injury photos) … (more…)

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  • Steve

    Amateurs and SERPAs don’t mix. I wouldn’t use a SERPA even if I was a pro because in the heat of the moment and under high stress, your fine motor functions are gone and it’s super-easy to shoot yourself due to horrible SERPA design. Blackhawk! should pull this crap off the market. It’s just the matter of time before there’s a class action lawsuit.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/buildyourstuff/ Edgar Castelo

    Takes a grown man to admit his mistakes… And think about warning others, not to do the same.
    I cannot tell the times I injured myself, using various tools.

    Not with guns, because my Firearm training was minimal, and now, I’m not allowed to have any gun. Not even a blank firing Alarm Pistol.

    I live in Europe, yes.

    I, and everybody drafted, 1988, were found mentally sound and able-bodied to serve the State, as a soldier, if need be, but NOT to have a SLINGSHOT at home!

    Socialism.

  • http://www.grantcunningham.com Grant

    Yes, he was honest for posting the video and admitting to his mistake. That’s as much slack as anyone should give him.

    The rational and responsible people in the audience need to understand that safety is a concept – one which this fellow doesn’t seem to quite understand, as he himself documents on YouTube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUelAaHGwcY&

    http://www.youtube.com/user/derekgrebner87#p/u/92/3D3aLMJI3M4
    (This one he’s restricted to logged-in users because he does it with live ammo. “Don’t try this at home” doesn’t excuse unsafe gunhandling.)

  • https://sites.google.com/site/buildyourstuff/ Edgar Castelo

    Just saw the videos…
    To turn a firearm around, making yourself a target for your own rifle!
    Misfire… Bang.
    And I bet the guy re-loads his own ammo.
    He looks and acts like that character from Red State Update, and he gives anti-guns Liberals plenty of material for their rants, too.

  • Bil

    The video is old and had been discussed in many a forum. Many blame the Serpa immediately but Tex admits that he was experimenting with another holster with different safety detention that screwed him up.

  • Popedizzle

    Steve did you watch the video?

    Just like the Army taught me, slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Lots and lots of practice.

  • Michael

    Steve, you are killing me. I have used a SERPA holster for years and have had ZERO problems. It is all about training, training and more training to forge muscle memory and good habits. It drives me nuts when people blame the holster. Your finger is straight when you push the button and start to pull the weapon out of its holster. I was trained in the Four Rules of using a gun. If you hook your finger behind the trigger guard before you are ready to fire, YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.

    As a kid, my father told me that it is a poor carpenter blames his table saw when my bird house looked like crap.

  • Sid

    SERPA holsters are not to blame for this ND.

    I know that many have staked their claim to the opinion that SERPA holsters will cause tired shooters to have negligent discharges. I am back from Iraq for about a year now. 80% of our MP company used SERPA holsters. It is just not an ND precursor.

    The only reason a weapon will discharge is because the shooter used their finger to pull the trigger.

  • Popedizzle

    Edit: having watched the video fully awake, I now see he WAS indeed using a SERPA. I still think walk, crawl, run would have helped advert this disaster.

  • Simon_the_Brit

    One thing that struck me was I had always believed that a single hit from a .45 would always drop/incapacitate a man.

    When I was in the British Army an ND nearly always got 28 Days in the Regimental Jail. (If there we 2 or more prisoners you had to carry a Telegraph pole everywhere you went.)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Simon_the_Brit, what did officers get if they ND’d?

  • jdun1911

    Popedizzle,

    That’s not how things work in a real gun fight. Civilians gunfight (that included police) last on average 2 seconds and at very close range. That’s 2 seconds deciding who lives and who dies. In that two seconds your monkey side brain takes over and you act on instinct/training because thinking takes too damn long.

    Timing drills is one of only a few ways to determine your improvements or lack off. It is the most common way to see your progress. For certain police departments like the Federal Air Marshal they will time you. If you go over the course time limit you won’t be a happy camper.

    I would not recommend the 5.11 and Serpa holster. There have been many posts over the years where Serpa was the cause of AD. Many training schools ban Serpa type holster from their classes.

  • DaveR

    Thanks, Grant.

    I had seen the the ND video a while ago and it startled me. Made me think a ND was more a matter of “when” than “if”

    However, after seeing Tex’s other videos I’m back to believing that NDs are almost entirely preventable–basically don’t be a dumb**s

  • Shootin’ Buddy

    “He looks and acts like that character from Red State Update.”

    So, I see you have not been to Texas yet.

  • MeAgain

    I realize that he was just using target ammo but isn’t the old saying, “They all fall to ball.” It isn’t, “They all run around cursing and then call their Mom.”
    I am not saying that we should expect every shot that enters the body to be disabling but this video should be proof to all that shot placement matters and not even the famed .45acp is all powerful.

  • AL

    Strangely the pictures of the entry and exit wound don’t look too bad. I was expecting big exit wound. Maybe it was due to the proximity of the leg?

  • Chris Rock

    Make no mistake about it, it was zero fault of the holster…

    I’ve seen this a few dozen times since it’s been out, and the gun clearly is out of the holster. Safety on or off notwithstanding, if he hadn’t had that chubby digit already on the trigger while the gun was still not in a safe direction, that would not have happened…

    Muzzle discipline requires finger discipline as well…

  • JMD

    It didn’t happen because he used multiple holsters, it happened because he used a Serpa.

  • http://jackbootedliberal.com Joshua

    I hesitate to blame the Serpa, but I would go so far as to say that a Serpa holster has a built-in mistake waiting to happen, and if you don’t respect it, it will bite you–and the number of people with this guy’s EXACT story testifies to that. Myself, I’d never use one. I prefer my trigger finger to be doing exactly one thing when I’m drawing a pistol. My retention holster is a Safariland with a thumb-activated retention device.

  • http://about.me/andrewkwise Andy

    There is nothing wrong with the SERPA design. If you use it properly it works well, but just like any retention holster you need to practice with it heavily.

    The key is that it DOESN’T take extra dexterity to use it, your finger should already be resting against the release during your natural motion to draw, and you should have the mechanism adjusted to that natural pressure is enough to engage the device, then as you draw your finger will again naturally go along your weapon in such a way that you will not engage your trigger just like with any other holster. The issue comes when people try and complicate this maneuver by either tightening the retention so much they need to think about pushing the button, or changing their finger position so they press the mechanism with the tip of their finger, both create a situation where the finger may curl and enter the trigger guard causing a Negligent Discharge.

    So again this just comes down to training correctly and training often.

  • JaredN

    While it is ultimately operator error, the Serpa design is ergonomically flawed, making it far easier to have these sort of incidents. There is a reason that FLETC has banned Serpa holsters from their range.

  • gunfighter2012

    I feel bad this guy got shot. I mean its got to be a traumatic experience. But to see the moron handle a gun you’ve got to see that it was going to happen. I clicked through a couple of this guys videos and they are all equally horrifying. Novice, inexperienced, first time user, never handled a gun before, first time for everything; take your choice the explanation is in there somewhere. I REALLY hope this guy isn’t posting videos in hopes of educating the masses or some other grandiose idea. EVERYTHING about this guy just SCREAMS ignorance; from the 10 gallon hat to the tactical clown pants to the Barney Fife gun belt to dancing around like John Belushi in Animal House (you know….the scene with the horse they’re trying to sneak in to Dean Wormer’s office. Look it up.)
    Ow, now my head hurts.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/buildyourstuff/ Edgar Castelo

    “So, I see you have not been to Texas yet.”
    I will, one day, I will…
    Then I’ll send a lot of Cowboy hats, Guns, and Blondes Photos to my commie neighbors! :D

  • Cisco

    Edgar Castelo,

    I am curious about your statement about reloading ammo, what exactly are you trying to imply? That it is unsafe or that you have to be a nut-job to do it, or what? Please clarify for me.

    As for this video, I do agree it took some guts to post, but guts do not always means other important organs, such as brains. Some of his other videos show the total lack of respect this man has in regards to gun handling safety. He is not a gun or hunting advocate we should listen to nor support. This type of attitude and arrogance can only harm our cause as gun owners. Images of the extremes are used today by the public, who may be uneducated on issuses, more as examples to represent a group, and not as the exceptions.

    PS Just because you put DO NOT TRY AT HOME is no excuse to show something which should not be done for fun.

  • counsel

    I think the point to take from this and similar videos and NDs is that …

    Shit happens.

    Idiot to very well trained matters little when “it” happens… It is real easy to judge others in hindsight.

    How about we just learn potential issues that may affect shhotets-whether UT is finger placement to holster retention…?

  • http://smcfirearms.com Gregory Markle

    Like Bil noted above, he had been practicing shooting a Glock in a thumb release holster earlier which had greatly contributed to this AD. Remember, not only did he have to end up with his booger hook on the boomswitch at the wrong moment, he also had to release the manual safety. Practicing with the thumb release holster earlier in the day very likely conditioned him to do things with his thumb that, while necessary and completely safe when drawing a Glock from a thumb release retention holster, are steps toward disaster when applied to a 1911 in a Serpa. I would also bet money that the pistol involved had a trigger pull far better suited to competition usage than carry under real-world conditions further exacerbating any booger hook placement issues.

    The Serpa has been safely used by dozens of people I know without any issues, I’d say that the problem more at issue here was that he was trying to show off for the camera rather than concentrating on fundamentals…compounded by having worked with the thumb release earlier in the day. When gun games become all about speed, the cascade of choices made to promote speed inevitably erode safety precautions regardless of the equipment used.

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  • Sid

    Simon_the_Brit,

    I trained with 1 Para Regiment in 1988 and was told about this in an off-hand comment. I was not certain if I was being told the truth. At that time, the US Army was not as serious about negligent discharges but the Brits had learned for time policing Northern Ireland that NDs are a hazard of armed duty.

    As I understood it at the time, regimental jail was not something that went on a soldiers permanent record. It was comparable to in-house punishment. But the report I had heard was an ND got a soldier a month in jail.

    • G3Ken

      I agree. I think the Brits have (had?) a better handle on dealing with ND’s than their American counterparts. That said, the fellow in the video is NOT a professional soldier, and at least admitted his error and, hopefully, helped someone else avoid a similar fate.

      From a military standpoint, at least in “elite” units, ND’s should never be tolerated. The phrase “everyone makes mistakes” doesn’t apply to firearms, nor professionals.

      Personally, I don’t even see why he was doing what he was doing. Want to practice drawing your weapon quickly and squeezing the trigger? Do that at home in front of a mirror using snap caps or something similar. Practicing “quick draw firing” is generally a piss-poor idea for most gun owners. You can practice quick draw as I descibed and you can practice shooting at a range. This dude had no business doing both simultaneously. An ND is just that: NEGLIGENT discharge of a firearm and we have no room for that.

      As an aside, we gun owners often are thought of negatively by the non-gun owning public. We needn’t give them extra ammunition (pun most definitely intended).

  • Steve

    @Bil “Many blame the Serpa immediately but Tex admits that he was experimenting with another holster with different safety detention that screwed him up.”

    Excuse me but experimenting with a holster should NOT result in an AD/ND. I’ve experimented with thumbdrives, Safarilands, etc. and never shot myself. SERPAs are FLAWED by design because after engaging the retention mechanism, your finger is just above the trigger and if you don’t stop its movement, it will enter the trigger guard and engage it. NO OTHER HOLSTER is as dangerous to use as Serpa. And for what gain?!?! Other holsters not only deploy faster but they’re also MUCH SAFER.

  • jdun1911

    JaredN,

    Yep there are many high speed low drag training schools that banned those kind of holsters. The risk of ND are just too high with them.

    IIRC there were two ND in one day using Serpa holster in a high level competitions match. I try to find the link later on.

    gunfighter2012,

    The people that are ignorance are the people that do not keep up to date with what happening in the firearms community. The guy would not have shot himself if he used a normal holster. Again there are many document cases where ND occurred while using SERPA or similar kind of holster.

    It’s a design flaw.

  • Bozz

    Ok, not the holster. It was the hand grip pulling a stuck auto from the holster. Fingers closed in response. Opps! that finger was where it should not have been.

    What I did not hear, is what happened after the discharge? Gun was placed on ground. In what condition?

    Ready to fire again? Safety on? Mag ejected? or what?

    This is the reality point that one really needs to keep their wits about them.

    If a real threat existed, what would have been appropriate response?

  • KPete

    Hmmm… negligent discharge… apparently effects 1 in 7 men over 40. You can get help for that from a medical professional.

    All kidding aside though when it comes to guns – theres no such things as accidents. With “negligent” being the key word, negligent in safety and sense. Not sure about this holster crap. Blaming your gear is like blaming smith and wesson for arming criminals. Know your gear and its limitations (and yours) and take responsibility.

    Good on him for fessing up though. I’m glad he didn’t shoot something else or someone else. Still, its a lesson hard learned.

  • SoulTown

    I’m not sure who brought it up, but I think this point deserves some good hard thinking.

    “In what other retention holster design is it required for the shooter to manipulate his/her trigger finger?”

  • https://sites.google.com/site/buildyourstuff/ Edgar Castelo

    I am curious about your statement about reloading ammo, what exactly are you trying to imply? That it is unsafe or that you have to be a nut-job to do it, or what? Please clarify for me.

    I’m just saying, and you’ve just gave me reason on that, further down on your comments, if the guy on those videos re-loads his ammo the way he shoots, that’s some dangerous ammo, there…

    Reasonable folk, that respect their materials, when they work, that’s another matter, and one that I’m not qualified to talk about, when it’s ammo re-loading… Never done it. :)

  • http://RenderRanch.com Zermoid

    I agree with all those who say the act of pressing inward with the trigger finger as you draw, to release the retention device, is an accident waiting to happen.

    Using that holster with a gun like a Glock is really looking for trouble.

    The stupid part was changing holsters and not practicing with the new holster before using the gun loaded, he said the other holster had a thumb release and trying to release the non-existant catch instead took off the thumb safety, failure to practice with equipment used.

  • DLS

    No, the wound, and it’s affect on him didn’t seem so bad, but he lucked up. It was FMJ ball ammo, and the projectile track appeared to be relatively shallow, not hitting any major vessels, bones, or organs. He likely had significant muscle damage (he’s not going to be running anywhere) but other than that it was close to a best case scenario.

  • jdun1911
  • W

    I’m glad that he is still alive and learned a very valuable lesson. Admitting mistakes is a important part of developing as a shooter. Anybody who has handled firearms extensively has had at least one incident/negligent discharge.

    I cannot blame the holster, though i have heard horror stories about Serpas that have essentially convinced me to stay away from them. Ill stick to my Safariland ones. As a former soldier and contractor, I refuse to carry anything else but a Safariland but that is just me. I prefer to use a holster that will not fail if it gets too dirty (as in i cannot get my handgun out of the darned thing) and one where a assailant cannot rip the thing off of my belt (like all of these other “high speed” holsters like Serpas). It is poor training to switch between different kinds of holsters in my opinion.

  • Simon_the_Brit

    A bit late in answering sorry:

    Officers would get an interview without Tea and Biscuits and then would be on many many extra duties.

  • AJ187

    Honestly, of all the gun guys on youtube doing this stuff, I’m not surprised that TEX ended up doing this to himself. I hope he’s okay and does more dry practice and takes the advice of James Yeager of Tactical response who he trained pistols with to not use a SERPA in the future.

  • Duttyrock2012

    What training took over. He called his Mommy and Daddy first? This was simple Operator Error and basic lack of trigger control.

  • sal

    Saw this on Tosh.0 a few days ago.

  • Jerry Newberry

    One thing for sure is he wasn’t going to miss the target at that range. Glad he’s okay.

  • http://yahoo Grandpa

    Several lessons to learn from this video. I am glad the young man is well. I give him an A for the video, but the calling his folks has never been in any training i have had. Must be the new generation thing to do.