Suppressed Mosin Nagant & Russian SMGs
A reader emailed in the below photo which was taken by a friend of his on a visit to the Russian Central Army Museum at Moscow. On display is a Mosin Nagant rifle with a huge suppressor (labeled '6'). On the far left is a submachine gun which appears to have a rifle grenade attachment. Can anyone identify the gun?
UPDATE: Its not a suppressor, but a grenade launcher. Thanks to the Mosin aficionados who pointed this out in the comments.
[ Many thanks to Tarkan for emailing me the photo. ]
looks to be blowforward operated http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/36/198033-m7887139.htm the ejection port is after the magazine .
So. From photos that netpc56 provided i see that there is non-central disk magasine. Like on parabellums I think.
PS We need Popenker here.
Found a nice site full of obscure guns of WWII.
Going from the rear of the reciever and the magwell, it could be either a tokarev model 1930 SMG, or a Czech ZK 467 smg.
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad309/bingqitu/WWII/SAI-W155.jpg
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad309/bingqitu/WWII/SAI-W013.jpg
Unfortunately, there are just too many really obscure guns that are impossible to find information on unless someone has first hand knowledge to be sure.
Looks like behind the enemy lines NKVD stuff?….http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2011/05/05/the-moscow-museum-of-war-objects/
Steve many thanks for post.My question is;is number 2 Finnish Suomi smg,and number 7 full barrell supressed mp 40 schmeisser(not a second of it I encountered at whole web)?And why Russian encountered a beauty like Suomi and created a beast like PPSH?Thank you all.
I think it is not suppressor. Some sources told me, that it is WWII partisan grenade launcher by Shavgulidze
ref pics: http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/004034/4034481.jpg and http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/003843/3843022.jpg
you sure thats a suppressor?
Meant to say, replaced by the PPSH 41.
I believe thats a Degtyarov PPD, and I am not sure which model it is. It was designed in 1934, and was displaced by the PPSD 41.
The gun on the left looks like a Reising to me.
Looks to be an early PPD-34 prototype, without the heat shield on.
It looks like a german MP40, but with a weird barrel.
Is it me or does that suppressor not look like it lines up with the Nagant’s barrel?
Danuvia 43M submachine gun?
Hey, just the guns to hunt wild hogs in Texas with!!
Too bad we can’t purchase any of these guns in the USA (due to the illegal 1934 gun control/gangster act) booo!
I suspect that far left gun is maybe Hungarian 39/43M or Danish M1944 ??? I just listed some books and found these guns which just look like the far left one…so I’m not 100% sure.
that smg to the right looks pretty interesting as well, what kind is it?
The smg on the far left appears to be a PPSh like the rest of them. It just doesn’t have the barrel shroud, and sports a longer forearm.
The gun on the far right looks a lot like an MP-40 with the rifle grenade attachment. I wonder why that’d be in a mainly Russian exhibit in Moscow…
whoops, i looked at the one on the right.. my mistake, though the barrel is still unusual
Looks like a PPsH that someone rebarreled using an SKS barrel and stock. Although its an army display, theres no indication that the guns are necessarily all WW2 vintage. Could be a cobbled together parts gun from a later date that some clerk thought loooked like the WW2 guns and put in the display.
First off: WANT!
Secondly: is it the way the picture is, or is that suppressor actually bent?
It looks like the RAW, rifle mans assault weapon, the link is attached.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/hybenamon/LAND/INFANTRY/RAW/brochure-2.jpg
Are you sure that is a suppressor? If you look to the bottom left of the rifle at the spherical object; it reminds me of a rifle fired grenade for the M16, i believe is was in Jane’s 1994. Also the muzzle of the suppressor appears to be flared slightly, which would indicate is meant for a different purpose.
GLORIOUS
My guess is PPD-34/38, though I have no evidence to support that conclusion.
correction: i was looking at the mp at the right, which also has some kind od non-standard gadget fitted to the barrel.
the “machine pistol” looks like a captured german mp40 or mp38 but i’m not sure what the extension on the barrel might be. i’ve never heard of a “grenade launcher” in german issue fitted to a machine pistol. possibly an attempt at making a suppressor?
I’ll betcha the ‘suppressor’ on the Mosin rifle is actually a Djakonov grenade launcher. Note the clamp just forward of the rear sight for the grenade launching sight.
Correction: I mistyped. I meant to put PPD 34/38
PPD 38/38 with the barrel jacket removed?
Looks a little off kilter.
That would be the PPSh-41, a Russian submachine gun. It was chambered in 7.62×25. A true “spray and pray” weapon which took a lot of lives between 1940 and 1970.
it appears to be an mp40 (or something german like an mp40) with either a barrel shroud of some sort or an intregal supressor.
It looks like a Suomi M/26 (a Suomi in .30 Luger) with a different barrel?
To me it looks like the silencer isn’t on properly and inline with the barrel.
A PPD-34 by the look of it.
the ones in the middle are the ppsh-41. The one on the left could be some sort of variant of it. Or I could be waaayy off. I’m no gun historian.
Man where do I get one of those!!!
That looks like a grenade launcher, not a suppressor. It looks like that big beast on the ground fits in the tube on the end of the rifle. I could be wrong though…
mp40
The silencer doesn’t look very straight. I would not want to fire it
This would be cool to be able to see and check out this museum.
http://www.armeriatrelles.com/imgs/fotos/1/02d2770fffc48b723d0d8295a8a787d3.jpg looks liek the sporter version of the PPSh-41
that’s not a suppressor on the nagant, it’s a grenade launcher.
At first I thought it looked like a converted MP-41 or MP-18 but the magwell is in the wrong place,
Is that a Red Army bong left over from Afghanistan in the bottom of the shot?
PPSh-41 best subgun ever made. Without the PPSH the Soviet would have lost some key cities against the NAZI.
Must have been a experimental weapon. No production M-91/30 has had a suppressor on it.
The SMG looks like an MP40 receiver…
Reising M50 I think.
It’s a Not-A-Gun. It appears to be a MP18/35 stock cobbled to a grenade launcher barrel. The drum magazine is too close to the trigger to be a functional part of the weapon. Compare it’s location to the rear of the receiver. There isn’t enough room for a bolt to cycle. The owner likely added the drum mag to blend in or appear more threatening, which was a very Russian thing to do in WWII. It may still actually be a MP18 or MP35, but with a super short mag to accommodate grenade launching rounds.
2. o_O Mystery. Maybe Tokarev 1927 prototype. But this strange disk…
3. PPD-40
4. PPSh-41
5. PPSh-41 Mod.2
Looks like a PPD40, but with the magazine location way off. :S
Looks like a German MP 40 to me.