A reader emailed in photos of the IWI Galil ACE being carried by soldiers at Cavalry Day at the Colombian Army's Cavalry Military School. These short barreled Galil ACE are incredible sexy!
Along with Colombia, the ACE has also been adopted by Peru and Guatemala.
[ Many thanks to Thaddeus for emailing me the link. ]
That’d be a killer format to use in something like 9×39/338 whisper. .223 I’m not so in love with in barrel lengths < 10"
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0What is the effective range of the weapon? My concern is that it will fall into competition in the PDW class of weapons, not the assault rifle class. Also, is this weapon using mil-spec ammo? Does it have powder burn rate issues?
I think one of the hidden issues of modular weapons systems is commonality of ammo. Meaning, my 8in PDW has to shoot the same ammo as your designated marksman weapon with a 18 barrel or the heavy barreld 20in automatic riflemen. The shorter barreled weapons don’t get all the bang for the buck on the bullets (pun totally intended). Muzzle flash is also an issue.
Knights Armament addressed this issue with a new caliber and powder charge (if I can believe the press release). Their claim is that the powder will burn completely in a shorter barrel. Not my assertion, is theirs.
Have any of the manufacturers or purchasers ordered ammo that is custom-selected for the weapon?
0 0There’s something about the ACE that I just can’t ignore. It needs more internet presence.
0 0Sid,
I really don’t get what you’re saying. Why do you have to shoot ammo that you don’t want to? Is someone forcing you to do it?
PDW are design for close combat. However you shouldn’t discount their accuracy at mid range up to 200 yards.
0 0“I think one of the hidden issues of modular weapons systems is commonality of ammo. Meaning, my 8in PDW has to shoot the same ammo as your designated marksman weapon with a 18 barrel or the heavy barreld 20in automatic riflemen…Knights Armament addressed this issue with a new caliber and powder charge… Their claim is that the powder will burn completely in a shorter barrel.”
Which means they now have the opposite problem of the bullet dragging in a longer barrel.
0 0jdun1911,
Armies (the US Army in particular) have been looking for modular weapons systems. The carbine is just a shorter rifle. The sniper rifle is a longer rifle. The PDW is a short barreled rifle. A common receiver and components, but the weapon can be equipped to serve various roles. See the XM8 as a recent submission.
Again, I see the problem being that common ammunition as being a weak link. All ammo has design criteria that we seem to not have taken into account. When weapons such as PDWs are included in the package, it would seem that the armies would need to purchase specifically spec’ed ammo for each weapon. I can shoot military grade ammo out of an M4 and an M16A2 can get really different performance. Imagine if my barrel was half the length of an M4?
We have a weapon with a common receiver. It has several major components that will allow us to configure the weapon for various roles. But if we trying to use a common ammunition in all the weapons…. aren’t we accepting poor performance out most of the weapon packages?
0 0The nation is spelled “Colombia”
0 0The left reciprocating charging handle kinda disturbing and dangerous ! Please, back to AK style charging handle.
0 0Cool value aside, I can’t really see the value of having a military carbine so short, especially in 5.56.
0 0As a standard rifle, it’s great as it can get, proved gas system with modern ergonomics.
0 0An excellent and proven carbine.
0 0A weapon, to be used as a weapon, not as a Parade Prop.
Can’t go wrong with the Israelis, as far as no-nonsense on the battle ground…
0 0Aaaaaa I want one!
0 0Looks like a G-36 and a AR-15 had weird love child…
0 0Bah! Too small! Me like big bullet out of short barrel!
0 0These guns seem to be very effective and I’ll give them that they do look cool. I wonder when they’re coming over to the US…
0 0Looks surprisingly like my Kel-Tec SU-16 with the pistol grip and M4 stock. Or is it the other way around?
0 0Looks like AR-15 almost now. like the hand guards over traditional Galil hand-guards.
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jdun1911,
Armies (the US Army in particular) have been looking for modular weapons systems. The carbine is just a shorter rifle. The sniper rifle is a longer rifle. The PDW is a short barreled rifle. A common receiver and components, but the weapon can be equipped to serve various roles. See the XM8 as a recent submission.
Again, I see the problem being that common ammunition as being a weak link. All ammo has design criteria that we seem to not have taken into account. When weapons such as PDWs are included in the package, it would seem that the armies would need to purchase specifically spec’ed ammo for each weapon. I can shoot military grade ammo out of an M4 and an M16A2 can get really different performance. Imagine if my barrel was half the length of an M4?
We have a weapon with a common receiver. It has several major components that will allow us to configure the weapon for various roles. But if we trying to use a common ammunition in all the weapons…. aren’t we accepting poor performance out most of the weapon packages?
The nation is spelled “Colombia”
The left reciprocating charging handle kinda disturbing and dangerous ! Please, back to AK style charging handle.
“I think one of the hidden issues of modular weapons systems is commonality of ammo. Meaning, my 8in PDW has to shoot the same ammo as your designated marksman weapon with a 18 barrel or the heavy barreld 20in automatic riflemen…Knights Armament addressed this issue with a new caliber and powder charge… Their claim is that the powder will burn completely in a shorter barrel.”
Which means they now have the opposite problem of the bullet dragging in a longer barrel.
Sid,
I really don’t get what you’re saying. Why do you have to shoot ammo that you don’t want to? Is someone forcing you to do it?
PDW are design for close combat. However you shouldn’t discount their accuracy at mid range up to 200 yards.
That’d be a killer format to use in something like 9×39/338 whisper. .223 I’m not so in love with in barrel lengths < 10"
What is the effective range of the weapon? My concern is that it will fall into competition in the PDW class of weapons, not the assault rifle class. Also, is this weapon using mil-spec ammo? Does it have powder burn rate issues?
I think one of the hidden issues of modular weapons systems is commonality of ammo. Meaning, my 8in PDW has to shoot the same ammo as your designated marksman weapon with a 18 barrel or the heavy barreld 20in automatic riflemen. The shorter barreled weapons don’t get all the bang for the buck on the bullets (pun totally intended). Muzzle flash is also an issue.
Knights Armament addressed this issue with a new caliber and powder charge (if I can believe the press release). Their claim is that the powder will burn completely in a shorter barrel. Not my assertion, is theirs.
Have any of the manufacturers or purchasers ordered ammo that is custom-selected for the weapon?
There’s something about the ACE that I just can’t ignore. It needs more internet presence.
Cool value aside, I can’t really see the value of having a military carbine so short, especially in 5.56.
As a standard rifle, it’s great as it can get, proved gas system with modern ergonomics.
These guns seem to be very effective and I’ll give them that they do look cool. I wonder when they’re coming over to the US…
Looks surprisingly like my Kel-Tec SU-16 with the pistol grip and M4 stock. Or is it the other way around?
Bah! Too small! Me like big bullet out of short barrel!
Looks like a G-36 and a AR-15 had weird love child…
An excellent and proven carbine.
A weapon, to be used as a weapon, not as a Parade Prop.
Can’t go wrong with the Israelis, as far as no-nonsense on the battle ground…
Aaaaaa I want one!
Looks like AR-15 almost now. like the hand guards over traditional Galil hand-guards.