An argument for semi-automatic aimed fire …
Finally, I have video evidence that I am not the worst machine gun shot in the world.
[ Many thanks to Sven (Defense and Freedom) for emailing me this link. ]
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Nickwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 6:51 pm Link To Comment |
Devil’s advocate:
I should point out that there’s no conclusive evidence that the rebels in the video *are* in fact missing their intended targets. Clearly, these men are so well versed in the art of combat that they are able to perform–with exceptional competency–in a manner that, to the untrained North American armchair-operator, would appear as if they were taking liberties in the targeting and execution of their respective individual attacks.
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Christerwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 7:35 am Link To Comment |
Someone needs to teach these guys to shoot. If we should give them firearms we should supply them with some SKS rifles instead of AK’s as they clearly cant be trusted with anything automatic
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thomaswrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 am Link To Comment |
That was kind of funny.
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Bob_Pwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm Link To Comment |
I am loving the truck mounted helicopter rocket pods. “Pimp my Ride” Libyan style.
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Brianwrote on June 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 am Link To Comment |
You know, I’ve never had any combat training, or any training for guns at all, aside from the basic safety rules I learned in Boy Scouts years ago, but I still have enough common sense to know how to aim a damn gun. These guys are morons. It seems that at least 70% of their rounds fired probably don’t even come close to their target, and that’s not even counting the stupid, pointless firing straight up into the air. They waste so much ammunition that it’s ridiculous. It’s not even funny.
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bima86wrote on June 21st, 2011 at 5:28 pm Link To Comment |
is that how they fight the Libyan military? spray-and-pray (they hit someone)
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Junkballwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link To Comment |
I wonder how many killed and injured result from AD/ND’s and friendly fire?
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MibZwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link To Comment |
Sweet Jesus! The idiot at the 44 second mark looks like he is using what is SUPPOSED to be a MOUNTED machine gun.
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mistermomwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link To Comment |
Holy Imperial-Stormtrooper-marksmanship-training! Looked like most of that was pointed kind of high. They might do as well just shouting “pew-pew”.
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garynywrote on June 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link To Comment |
seeing those men fighting for their freedom brings a smile to my face
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greasyjohnwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link To Comment |
Okay, I gotta give props to the guy manhandling that HMG.
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Someone Elsewrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 am Link To Comment |
I believe that this video shows them to be more competent than the above: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd9_1308175838.
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Gene from Jerseywrote on June 23rd, 2011 at 5:49 am Link To Comment |
Since the other side is pretty much using the same “tactics” no wonder why there’s almost no body count. This whole “rebellion” is a joke.
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subasewrote on July 15th, 2011 at 1:59 am Link To Comment |
Military training desensitizes you to the idea of shooting and killing people. But even nowadays I’ve read something like 5-10% of soldiers ‘miss’ on purpose. So these Libyans don’t want to ‘aim’ since that would require the thought of killing someone. Instead they just spray and pray and “If Allah wishes”, their bullets will hit or dissuade their enemy. I would actually be very surprised if any of them wanted to kill any of their countrymen.
But there is no doubt a very active special forces trained contingent of fighters with very high kill rates.
Although it’s a question of skill, training and discipline. All lacking here. It’s also plain willingness to kill your enemy.
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Flashmanwrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link To Comment |
I wish someone could make it clear to them that yelling “ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!” and pulling the trigger in the general direction of your enemy is not the best way to fight.
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jdun1911wrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 7:10 am Link To Comment |
Keep in mind that these rebels never held a firearms until the conflicted started. They never had any training nor any methods to get training. I don’t expect much from them. In fact I don’t expect much from most people that are new to firearms and even those that considered themselves internet “expert” in firearms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJw8ju61z9E
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ThomasDwrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 am Link To Comment |
It is important to be filmed stomping on a photo likeness of your enemy. That is the only way he will know you are serious. Because your marksmanship is not exactly a cause for alarm.
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Flounderwrote on June 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 am Link To Comment |
To me it looks like they are training. Although that guy with the AK not even looking as he is shooting is sad. That is pretty much the definition of spray and pray.
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jeff from CAwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 9:44 am Link To Comment |
Those people REALLY need an Appleseed course.
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Nadnerbuswrote on June 21st, 2011 at 9:44 am Link To Comment |
Was this actual combat? Looks like a show for the press designed to waste ammo. Shades of the imagery out of Liberia a few years back.
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Simon_The_Britwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 12:07 am Link To Comment |
Idiots with guns, playing up for the camera. Aiming seems to be a concept they can’t grasp.
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Steveweiserwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 2:20 am Link To Comment |
Dang. A little training could go a long way.
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crisara722wrote on June 21st, 2011 at 3:06 am Link To Comment |
i loved the part when they fired their gun to the air
pretty forcloric but i really hope they were not figthing anything.
becouse wiht those tactics and shooting skiils they should be dead by now, well im actually pretty sure theat many of them are dead rigth nowPlease rate this comment: 0 0 -
Joshwrote on June 20th, 2011 at 11:50 pm Link To Comment |
I am speachless…
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Rickenbackerwrote on June 20th, 2011 at 11:28 pm Link To Comment |
I dunno about “attack”, but they might have scared it a little…
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Alex Swrote on June 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm Link To Comment |
Video is not showing up.
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Brianwrote on June 20th, 2011 at 5:36 pm Link To Comment |
I’m not seeing anything. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Chairman Mowwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 3:06 am Link To Comment |
The barns broadside remains unscathed. These guys are relatively well armed but could use one good day of BRM.
while ( enemy )
{
sight(enemy);
acquire(target);
breathe(oxygen);
fire(weapon);
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Robwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 3:12 am Link To Comment |
Somebody should really teach them about sights
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Alex Swrote on June 21st, 2011 at 7:12 am Link To Comment |
It’s up now. Thanks!
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SleepyDavewrote on June 21st, 2011 at 7:17 am Link To Comment |
“Good shooting…shitty shooting!” One wonders how many of those rounds actually went anywhere near the target, much less actually hit anything.
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Martin (M)wrote on June 21st, 2011 at 9:39 am Link To Comment |
I don’t think that sending modern arms to the National Liberation Army would make any improvements. Spray and Pray is their watchword.
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The RebelBrokerwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 6:46 am Link To Comment |
Good lord… it’s like playing Bad Company 2 in real life… except the 12 year olds playing from their basements are better shots.
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Lancewrote on June 21st, 2011 at 6:27 am Link To Comment |
See why they don’t win. I didn’t even see what there aiming at. They keep firing from the hip with out aim that’s just poor training. And more Mi-24 rocket pods on trucks give me a break LOL.
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cc19wrote on June 21st, 2011 at 3:48 am Link To Comment |
Just like that scene in Predator.
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jwrote on June 21st, 2011 at 5:47 am Link To Comment |
i think i saw one of them with an dragunov
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Chasewrote on June 20th, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link To Comment |
The video’s not there.
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Military training desensitizes you to the idea of shooting and killing people. But even nowadays I’ve read something like 5-10% of soldiers ‘miss’ on purpose. So these Libyans don’t want to ‘aim’ since that would require the thought of killing someone. Instead they just spray and pray and “If Allah wishes”, their bullets will hit or dissuade their enemy. I would actually be very surprised if any of them wanted to kill any of their countrymen.
But there is no doubt a very active special forces trained contingent of fighters with very high kill rates.
Although it’s a question of skill, training and discipline. All lacking here. It’s also plain willingness to kill your enemy.
You know, I’ve never had any combat training, or any training for guns at all, aside from the basic safety rules I learned in Boy Scouts years ago, but I still have enough common sense to know how to aim a damn gun. These guys are morons. It seems that at least 70% of their rounds fired probably don’t even come close to their target, and that’s not even counting the stupid, pointless firing straight up into the air. They waste so much ammunition that it’s ridiculous. It’s not even funny.
Since the other side is pretty much using the same “tactics” no wonder why there’s almost no body count. This whole “rebellion” is a joke.
I wish someone could make it clear to them that yelling “ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!” and pulling the trigger in the general direction of your enemy is not the best way to fight.
That was kind of funny.
Keep in mind that these rebels never held a firearms until the conflicted started. They never had any training nor any methods to get training. I don’t expect much from them. In fact I don’t expect much from most people that are new to firearms and even those that considered themselves internet “expert” in firearms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJw8ju61z9E
To me it looks like they are training. Although that guy with the AK not even looking as he is shooting is sad. That is pretty much the definition of spray and pray.
It is important to be filmed stomping on a photo likeness of your enemy. That is the only way he will know you are serious. Because your marksmanship is not exactly a cause for alarm.
I believe that this video shows them to be more competent than the above: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd9_1308175838.
Devil’s advocate:
I should point out that there’s no conclusive evidence that the rebels in the video *are* in fact missing their intended targets. Clearly, these men are so well versed in the art of combat that they are able to perform–with exceptional competency–in a manner that, to the untrained North American armchair-operator, would appear as if they were taking liberties in the targeting and execution of their respective individual attacks.
Holy Imperial-Stormtrooper-marksmanship-training! Looked like most of that was pointed kind of high. They might do as well just shouting “pew-pew”.
is that how they fight the Libyan military? spray-and-pray (they hit someone)
well.. no wonder they’re still losing, even with the help of NATO and international coalition..
I wonder how many killed and injured result from AD/ND’s and friendly fire?
Okay, I gotta give props to the guy manhandling that HMG.
Sweet Jesus! The idiot at the 44 second mark looks like he is using what is SUPPOSED to be a MOUNTED machine gun.
seeing those men fighting for their freedom brings a smile to my face
I am loving the truck mounted helicopter rocket pods. “Pimp my Ride” Libyan style.
Those people REALLY need an Appleseed course.
Was this actual combat? Looks like a show for the press designed to waste ammo. Shades of the imagery out of Liberia a few years back.
I don’t think that sending modern arms to the National Liberation Army would make any improvements. Spray and Pray is their watchword.
Someone needs to teach these guys to shoot. If we should give them firearms we should supply them with some SKS rifles instead of AK’s as they clearly cant be trusted with anything automatic
“Good shooting…shitty shooting!” One wonders how many of those rounds actually went anywhere near the target, much less actually hit anything.
It’s up now. Thanks!
Good lord… it’s like playing Bad Company 2 in real life… except the 12 year olds playing from their basements are better shots.
See why they don’t win. I didn’t even see what there aiming at. They keep firing from the hip with out aim that’s just poor training. And more Mi-24 rocket pods on trucks give me a break LOL.
i think i saw one of them with an dragunov
Just like that scene in Predator.
Somebody should really teach them about sights
The barns broadside remains unscathed. These guys are relatively well armed but could use one good day of BRM.
while ( enemy )
{
sight(enemy);
acquire(target);
breathe(oxygen);
fire(weapon);
}
i loved the part when they fired their gun to the air
pretty forcloric but i really hope they were not figthing anything.
becouse wiht those tactics and shooting skiils they should be dead by now, well im actually pretty sure theat many of them are dead rigth now
Dang. A little training could go a long way.
Idiots with guns, playing up for the camera. Aiming seems to be a concept they can’t grasp.
I am speachless…
I dunno about “attack”, but they might have scared it a little…
I’m not seeing anything. Is anyone else having this problem?
Video is not showing up.
Web browsers tested: chrome, IE, Firefox.
The video’s not there.