NSSF response to Mexican govt. plans to sue gun industry


It was revealed a few days ago that last year the Mexican government retained an American law firm to look into the possibility of suing the US gun industry for making guns used by criminals in Mexico. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the shooting, hunting and firearms industry, has responded

Again, we applaud President Calderon for taking steps to stop the cartels when past Mexican administrations paid only lip service and allowed rampant corruption to fester. Still, it is wrong for anyone to blame America’s firearms industry for the problems Mexico is currently facing.

[Hat Tip: Says Uncle]

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  • Massoud

    That big wall sounds better everyday.

  • Yves Bonnet

    As mexican i´m feel very embarrassed for these sad attempt of solves a easy problem.

    The routes of cocaine and mariguana are in both ways, from Mexico we send drugs, and they return weapons, but if we in first place stop the routes here they can not return anything.
    And Mr. president must be also embarrassed because he also say that the mexican army is fighting for our security but they never has said that the traffic was tolerated during decades because the amazing amounts of money that entered to mexican economy (and the real reason that the U.S also tolerated is because more money enter to american economy).

    Anyway, many of the firearms not come from the U.S. many weapons seized to cartels are m-16a1 or old Colt commando from Vietnam era, and we could assume that they come from Indochina or another place where America fought during 60s-70s, and obviously you can not get a RPG 7 from a civilian gun shop in the States.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Yves, we know that none of your countrymen who read this blog would support such a silly idea.

  • http://www.bottlesandmore.com Jim

    This will be an uphill battle, that will not be won! I agree it is good they are trying to do good, but aiming their work at the wrong people. Find the thugs!

  • Pete

    I wonder why the story about ATF smuggling guns to Mexico gets so little publicity both in the media and the US and Mexican governments…

  • Jim

    Will they be suing the ATF for walking those guns into Mexico?

  • Mr. Fahrenheit

    I love the quote from the article in the first link you provide.

    “Richard Feldman, President of the Independent Firearms Association and former gun industry association executive said: “Maybe we should be suing the Mexican government for their failure to prevent drugs from coming into our country.””

    It made me laugh in a delicate way.

  • Clint

    Guns don’t kill people… Mexican drug gangs do. Why don’t they sue the makers of the ingredients they use to either make or cut the drugs they sell. Or how about go after the white guys who launder the money, stole that one from the late great George Carlin. What would this accomplish? All the cartels would have to so is look east… far east to get their guns.

  • Don

    Does that mean that the US government can sue the Mexican drug industry for making the drugs used by criminals in the US?

  • Bandito762

    The United States health care industry should sue Mexico for fraud…

  • http://billofgrace.blogspot.com/ Clint

    They should be suing the BATFE over Project Gunwalker.

  • Kevin

    Oh jeez, Really?

    I guess its good they are trying to do something, but it still seems like passing the blame.

  • Riceball

    Gotta love this logic, same sort of nonsense that the anti-gun people here use. Going by their logic then why don’t we sue car manufacturers every time someone is killed by a drunk driver or the like and in the case of a drunk driver we should sue the alcohol company too. On a similar note, why doesn’t President Calderon sue the manufacturers of the cars that the cartels drive to commit their crimes in because obviously the car companies are helping the cartels by allowing their cars to be sold to them so that the cartels don’t have to walk or ride the bus to commit their crimes.

  • Matthew S.

    Why dont they sue themselves for not having the morality at all levels of government, law enforcement and military to continually fail to do the right thing?

  • Lance

    With the protection of lawful commerce act of 2005 in act these is a illegal law suit.

  • TREEWIZARD

    So should the US sue the Mexican Government for say illegal immigrants, the drug problem, or perhaps we should sue the Russians for making the AK series of rifles and the RPG. What BS, Mexico is a joke.
    TREEWIZARD

  • David

    “Again, we applaud President Calderon for taking steps to stop the cartels when past Mexican administrations paid only lip service and allowed rampant corruption to fester. Still, it is wrong for anyone to blame America’s firearms industry for the problems Mexico is currently facing.” You are joking right? Calderon taking steps to stop the cartels?? I wish it was so, but no.

  • subase

    Government swindle via law firm.

  • Jake

    Maybe the someone should sue Mexico for all the drugs it traffics into the US.

  • Bozo

    Are they going to sue the Mexican firearms industry, too? And the Israelis, and the Belgians, and the Germans, and the Russians, and the Chinese…

  • Samopal

    I thought it came out that most of these weapons are coming from South America? It isn’t exactly easy to buy grenades and automatics in the US.

    This is yet another pathetic attempt at passing the blame instead of tackling the real issues. It takes a lot less effort to sue the already-demonized US gun industry than it does to actually fight the cartels.

  • abc123

    The Mexican state is corrupt and the only reason they have all of these problems with gangs is because they do not try to fix their problems. The Mexican economy rest on illegal immigrants in USA sending back money. USA should shut down the border and watch as the Mexican state falls.

    Besides, to impose your laws on a foreign country is an absurdity. With that logical USA could ban any random thing and then blame Mexico for not following suit.

    The solution that will be proposed to this problem is probably going to be harder border control. The only reason the Mexico/US border needs such extensive border control is because Mexico is such a horrible place that people want to flee it. They flee to USA for jobs opportunities and now to get guns.

  • http://yahoo.com mica

    it is a odd thing when a government that disarms it’s citizens and is so corrupt that its government is completely useless and that the larger part of it’s citizens escape to the USA for better economy and better pay who now are under the mistaken belief that by trying to sue the USA’s gun makers they will be able to control their drug problem when their larger issue is the vast corruption that mexico has and that they are not willing to change their government for the betterment of their citizens. I have always thought the best way to control the drug problem is after the third offense put ‘em against a wall and aim from 20 feet away with a team of Federales and if they’re in jail put ‘em to work, hard bone breaking work so they will never wish to go back to jail again. You know as well as I do the larger part of this lawsuit is in all probability made by Mexico but I’d bet any amount that it is paid for by the UN as we all know that band of third-world gun grabber’s would love to wreck the US gun industry and on that note why exactly do we need the UN in this country is it because no other country would put up with their useless BS ???? or is it that most of Europe all ready has enough restrictive laws and useless governments.

  • MJH

    You think they’ll be suing the Chinese as well?

  • G. H.

    This effort on the part of the Mexican authorities appears to be largely meant as a means of diverting attention away from failed/corrupt government (Mexican and U.S.) agencies, policies and practices which have allowed or caused the War on Drugs to become so deadly. Few media sources have been willing to follow these stories with the honesty and attention to detail owed to them. We can however look to a handful of articles which pretty clearly indicate the real sources of the problem. As one example, we can take a diplomatic cable released by wikileaks which has this to say:

    “Blue lantern coordinators [who are charged with monitoring DCS weapons shipments] requested that Poloff [political officers] investigate the circumstances surrounding the recovery of an U.S. licensed AR-15 rifle from a Mexican crime scene and substantiate the chain of custody from the supplier to the end user. The investigative branch of the Mexican Attorney General (PGR CENAPI) used E-trace to determine that the last legal point of sale was [U.S.-based gun manufacturer] Bushmaster International, LLC. Realizing that the recovered weapon was part of a USG [U.S. government] licensed [DCS] sale, Bushmaster notified the State Department.

    … This investigation tracked the chain of custody for the weapon through the following entities: the U.S. supplier, the U.S. manufacture representative in Mexico, the Mexican customs-broker, the Mexican Army, and the State Government of Michoacan.

    …. On the basis of this AND SIMILAR CASES, [emphasis added] it is not evident that government officials at the state [level in Mexico] apply strict enforcement measures to track the chain of custody of weapons once SEDENA [Mexico's Secretariat of National Defense, which oversees the Army] transfers them from its custody to the custody of state officials. Given the lack of accountability for weapons once they arrive at the state level, U.S. law enforcement agencies have fair reason to worry that a number of weapons simply “disappear.” ”

    Also,

    “As part of its Fast and Furious operation, launched in October 2009, some 2,000 or more firearms illegally purchased in the U.S. were allegedly allowed to “walk” (or be smuggled under ATF’s watch) across the border in a supposed effort by the federal law enforcement agency to target the kingpins behind Mexico’s gun-running enterprises, ATF whistleblowers contend.”

    Perhaps if the Mexican government really wants to look for someone to sue, they should first take a long hard look at the weak links in their own chain, and second at the well intentioned but ineffective programs of their official U.S. government allies. Suing the U.S. arms industry directly seems to be a confused move at best.

    The quotes above were taken from: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/04/us-backed-programs-supplying-firepower-mexico-s-soaring-murder-rate

  • Wuulf

    *looks up at the banner* Pretty sure this enters the realm of politics. Stupid politics (wait, there’s another kind?) but politics all the same. Its a freaking stunt, that will be thrown out of court the second it goes before a judge. Now, if it had been taken to the world court, that would have been another story. You can’t sue manufacturers of another country for making a legal product in their country. If you can, anyone want to join me in a CLA to stop Corona? Their beer has surely caused a few DWI fatalities.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Wuulf, it is politically motivated, but I class this as “legal”. When the firearm industry is being sued by a sovereign power, I can hardly ignore it!

  • Lance

    @Yves Bonnet

    Most cartel weapons are comming from 2 sources 1 is from Central America the USA sended thousands of Vietnam era M-16A1s and Colt Commandos to South American governments to fight off Communist gurrilla gorups in the 70-80s. When communisum fell and the movements dibanded most weapons ended up on the black market where bothe South American and Mexican cartels buy them.

    2 is from the two trouble makers in South America Cuba and Venezuela whos government support drug gangs who undermind friendly US backed governments.

  • Benjamin

    Hope those SA-7s in Libya won’t end up in the drug cartel’s hands though

  • alex

    this is stupid. there are guns in mexico because of high demand – just like drugs in the usa. stop the flow of guns from the usa and another source will spring up. a lawsuit is embarrasingly comical. mexican here, btw

  • Vitor

    If Mexico wants to blame the USA for something, it should blame the stupid “war on drugs” that empowers druglords just like the war on booze empowered the mafia during the prohibition years.

  • M.G. Halvorsen

    What everybody overlooks is the root problem: The criminalization of drugs. If the drugs in question were DECRIMINALIZED (as opposed to legalized) the problem would solve itself. Legalization would be wrong, as there would be ready access by children and adolescents. Decrim would have the same sanctions as alcohol,ie. minimun age for purchase/consumption, DUI sanctions, etc. Crimes committed while under the influence would remain the same. The only ones that I could see opposing this would be the ones who profit from the current “War on Drugs”, The DEA, the lawyers on both sides, and of course, the Drug Cartels, who profit from the artificially inflated costs of drugs that are as unsafe as “bathtub Gin” was in the 1920′s. With decriminalization, the drugs could be made more safely, with fewer toxic “cut” substances, and, most importantly, they could be TAXED, thereby lowering the deficit. As far as the increase in addiction, that, too, is a myth: Name one person who isn’t already addicted who would run out and buy a Hypodermic needle and a bag of Heroin? Nope. Education and treatment work in reducing drug usage. Prohibition, sadly, never has and never will.

  • subase

    Haha, the drug trade knows no borders, if they can traffic tonnes of cocaine, heroin and opium, how difficult do people think it is to traffic weapons?

    This is all just a sideshow.

    And very funny Lance, truth is the anarchy in mexico is U.S drug trade, corporation and elite supported. They make the profits off this anarchy certainly not Cuba or Venezuela. (they actually have narco supported anti-government groups)

    Although this being a step in the plan of the U.S to undermine Venezuela and other south american governments, there seems to be little doubt.

  • Ronald

    @Lance
    “2 is from the two trouble makers in South America Cuba and Venezuela whos government support drug gangs who undermind friendly US backed governments.”

    This is quite possibly the stupidest statement I have read on this site. Cuba and Venezuela have much bigger problems to deal with than supporting drug gangs. What are you, some butthurt cia officer or something?

  • Yves Bonnet

    @ Steve.

    Is not a silly idea when you look the narcotrafic backward and discover that many of the big original cartels 30 years ago were formed, directed or protected by the former DFS (Federal Security Directorate) which was mexican counterpart of the CIA during Cold War, and people also can understood that mexican cartels had a completely different origin from colombian cartels because colombians cartel were supported by commies, meanwhile mexican goverment was far right at that time.

    @ Lance
    Not all small arms come from US, but an important quantity do it.
    US citizens can buy in most states semi auto rifles with 30 or more rounds magazines but they must have a 16 inches barrel.
    In some point between countries most guns are modificated to be full auto and to have smaller barrels.
    RPGs 7, hand granades, land mines, .50 browing machine guns are more interesting weapons to track. And the special cases of the important number of M16A1 and Colt Commandos are also curious; but must of latin american countries used FALs and SIGs 510 during the most time of Cold war, so i´m really haven´t a good idea about the origin of the rifles.

  • Yves Bonnet

    Brownings M2 machines guns, so sorry.

  • Lance

    @ Subase the Venezulian and Cuban governments upport and give arms to FARC and other left Wing rebel groups that sell drugs and guns to Cartels who intern grant sacuary and money to these groupsd many Chinese and Russian AKs come from these countries not your gun shope in Phonix AZ. Most of these weapons wher full auto from make not ARs given a auto sear. Sorry subase your making fun of me are unfounded.

  • subase

    The weapon issue is just a publicity campaign to squeeze more money out of the U.S. I think the Mexican drug war is an elite chicken race, Mexico’s elite are holding Mexico hostage until the price is right.

    In regards to Venezuela, they are said to have the largest oil reserves in the world. (eclipsing Saudia Arabia) Something to keep in mind.

  • Sam Suggs

    the drug cartels don’t officially rule the country because
    they want to avoid having to deal with the international community I mean they
    could kill the entire government legalize drugs and manufacture huge factories
    and no one in that country could do shit about it of course then the united
    states could take official action against them