Improved Guns handgun safety shear pin

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Improved Guns Inc. is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation formed to promote US Patent 7,036,258. The patent is for a safety shear pin designed to prevent accidental shootings. The device adds a lot of weight, 11.5 – 15.5 lbs, to the first trigger pull. This, in theory, makes it hard or impossible for small children to use the trigger and prevents accidental discharges in situations where a finger is on the trigger or the trigger is snagged on clothing.

Improved Guns Inc. will fit the device to your firearm at no cost to you, although a donation is appreciated. They are hoping to license the patent to firearm companies to use instead of flawed safety (read: liability) mechnisms like the much-hated internal trigger lock.

The shear pin installed on a Glock
Shear pin design (from patent)
Installed on 1911-style trigger

From the press release

Improved Guns Inc., a not for profit company, is founded to promote the US Pat 7,036,258, which is aimed at eliminating accidental shooting. The passive device is a pin that must be broken before the gun can be shot. Any firearm can be adapted by drilling a small hole in which to insert the appropriate pin. These pins are made with incremental breaking thresholds having a range of 11.5-15.5 lbs. Improved Guns, Inc. can easily retrofit all guns at our cost, although donations are appreciated. Hopefully, new guns will soon include this device.

The inventor, Lanny Lee says, “The only thing that makes this invention seem like a safety is that curious little children can’t shoot themselves or their buddies when they find the gun.” Mr. Lee added, “What the world needs least is another gun lock; what it needs are safer guns, and this device has surpassed all expectations in field trials.”

“Despite owner’s demands, and overwhelming studies, Detroit refused to provide seat belts until the late 60’s, except as an expensive option. This continued to 1978 when the gov’t required them to be installed. One has only to look at the old 50’s cars to see how the industry spent vast amounts on useless things like padded dashboards. Only liability suits changed their attitude. Gun maker’s reception to this life saving device has ranged from contempt to cold indifference, while their attitude seems to convey they can stand in the rain and won’t get wet.”

As a consumer, I would much rather gun companies adopted a concept like the shear pin, that can be removed by simply pulling the trigger, rather than trigger locks or overly heavy triggers that need a gunsmith to adjust to a reasonable level. Improved Guns should be commended for offering this to consumers for free if they feel the need to extra safety.




Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • hardmack

    Interesting idea… and it actually is quite ingenious. Might have to order some to test out.

  • Deryk

    While I applaud this initiative, surely it wallpapers over the root cause, which is parents allowing firearms to be within reach of children. Basic gun safety dictates that any firearm, loaded or otherwise should be secure from children. There are plenty of products on the market which allow a gun to be quickly and safely retrieved when needed.

  • jdun1911

    11.5 – 15.5 lbs give me a break. The only people that will use it are the ones that don’t know better.

    Safety between your ears. Gun owners should teach their kids gun safety.

  • Mike

    how about………NO

  • Kurt

    This is just another gimmick somebody is trying to sell to give a false sense of security – no doubt the next step is to try to get some politician to introduce a law to make it mandatory. If you can’t train your kids to keep their hands off the gun, keep it in a safe or on your person, in a holster! You can’t get any safer than that. If the gun is loaded, you shouldn’t be messing with the trigger anyway – one of the big problems with trigger locks and such. Guns are dangerous, and relying on such devices to make them seem less so is an invitation to a negligent discharge.

  • Burst

    I’ve always felt that every firearm I owned would be improved with pilot holes and random metal shavings.

    This won’t work for a very simple reason- firearms that have a traditional safety don’t need it. Firearms that don’t are owned by people who are proud of that fact. I don’t see them modifying their guns when they’ve already spent considerable effort getting “low-redundancy” designs.

  • Mechman

    I grew up on a farm, and before that I grew up in Alaska. My dad never left guns anywhere he thought there was a chance my brother or I could get into them, and never left ammo near the guns either. On top of that, we were taught about guns and knew that if we DID find them, not to mess with them.
    I don’t have kids, so I don’t worry about it so much, but if and when I do, I’m not ever going to trust that there’s some pin that will stop them, it’s on ME to educate and protect them myself.

  • David

    Deryk is correct, you can’t replace “parenting or real “gun safety” with a mechanical device.

  • User

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Oh I know, hey let’s talk about siderlocks now! What an amazing invention!

  • gunslinger

    so the safety will break off during the first trigger pull. then i have to unscrew the part, and put a new one in when i’m done? um…interesting concept. i don’t know how well it would work though. my handguns have those “key” safeties that you need a key to turn from fire to safe. i haven’t used those mainly because i don’t want to have to carry around a small allen-type wrench. gun box, gun safe, safties, empty mags work quite well.

  • cekim

    Ah hah, a solution!

    Now, if we could only find the problem, we’d be all set… ~:-/

  • http://geeknotes.wordpress.com/ Carl

    I was of the opinion that this was a neat innovation right up until the third paragraph of the press release. This is a special-use product designed to prevent a specific danger–unintentional trigger pull by children or through snags–that the creator attempts to extrapolate to all use cases of a firearm. This is not a vital safety feature for any firearm; it’s a specialized device. Another thing that the “heavier trigger pull = safer” crowd doesn’t realize is that a heavier trigger pull is also likely to lead to a wilder, less-controlled shot…

  • Bryan S

    Thats going to cause either a bad first shot, or worse followup shots.

  • motzus

    This looks like a bad idea. For one thing it looks like it only works once. The first trigger pull snaps the pin and then all subsequent pulls are “normal.” What do you do if you want to practice? Keep buying pins? If people really want to have a 12-15lbs first trigger pull why not buy one of the many DA/SA pistols or revolvers out there? I think that would be less hassle than getting some shear pin installed on your gun.

  • Tyson Chandler

    I agree with Deryk…this doesn’t eliminate the root cause. However, I think that the product does have merit and is a clever approach. Safe gun handling and storage practices require the owner to be responsible enough to actually follow them. This applies if the device is a gun safe, a trigger lock, or a sheer pin.

  • Brian

    Not only no but Hell No. This is a horrible idea. Keep finger off trigger until you have sights on target and are ready to shoot. Period!!!

  • http://www.goneafield.com Ed

    The last thing I want is an 11+ lb trigger pull on my first shot, perhaps the only shot I’ll get off, when my life or the life of a loved one depends on that first shot.

    No thanks. Who funds these guys, Brady? LCAV? Come on.

  • Pete Sheppard

    A 11.5-15.5 first round trigger pull? Followed by pin replacement? Would the gun have to be returned for pin installation after every shooting session?
    Whoever dreamed this up is not a shooter, apparently.

    No thanks.

  • mike

    It’s too late for April Fool’s.. what gives? This is just a hollow screw with a rod inserted in it. I like how the ones in their photos are covered in rust too. Here’s [one of the many reasons] why this is a horrible idea – it makes the gun less available to practice with. You have to remove the screw… er, safety shear pin, to fire the thing – or replace it each time you use it. Do we want to put *more* impediments to training? And it makes the gun less available if it’s needed. How long until the first wife – or even child – is killed while they’re trying to figure out how to shoot the gun and save their life?

    If you don’t want your kids playing with your guns, don’t give them access. This is a horrible, silly, ridiculous idea.

  • Robert

    The prob w DA/SA guns like beretta 92 is the stronger first pull, and lower first shot accuracy. Implementing this would carry that prob to all guns.

    The goal of course is to mandate it.

  • WeaponBuilder

    Not only NO, but HELL NO!!!

    15 POUNDS!?!?! That pull weight alone will nearly GUARANTEE a MISSED first shot, which will be an EXTREME LIABILITY!

    MOST firearms already on the market have NUMEROUS REDUNDANT ACTIVE SAFETIES in their designs. Just because A COUPLE firearm designs do NOT have active safeties and are involved in a disproportionate number of resulting negligent discharges does NOT mean that THIS is the answer!

    This is ‘device’ is a LIABILITY PROBLEM put forth as an ‘Answer’ to a non-existant ‘Question’. You can’t solve a problem by introducing another PROBLEM, and you can’t reduce one liability by adding another liability compounding on top of it!

    The problem is a lack of TRAINING, a lack of APPLICATION of existing training, and a lack of COMMON SENSE. Your guns should either be CARRIED on your person at all times, or they should be SECURED and inaccessible to Children and Criminals at all other times!

    There are already countless products on the market to deal with these issues.

    This product is nothing more than an additional severe liability to gun owners!

  • Huey148

    so basically you break this thing the first time you use it…hence the “shear” in its name and the resistance is from you having to pull hard enough to break metal? And it only works once? That’ll be great when I have to defend myself at 3am after being abruptly woken from a deep sleep and have to work with a combined trigger weight of 11-15 + 4-6 (safety device + stock trigger) pounds on my weapon for a 20ish pound first pull…

  • Don

    clever, but what about a lock box / gun safe?

  • lance

    all other things aside one of the principals of marksmanship is trigger control. there is none with a pin blocking travel and 11-17 lbs required to break it. that first shot may go wide and who knows where it may end up.
    there are decorative clocks that have a space that can hold a full size 1911. when i was a kid my dad hid his go to gun and not in an obvious place or an easy to reach place. i was also taught at an early age about safety.

  • Kristopher

    Is gun. Is not safe.

    Firearms safety begins between the ears of the firearm’s owner.

    Gadgets and stuff that interfere with proper firearms use do not make firearms safe.

  • Byron

    If you want a 12 lb. trigger on a Glock, why not just install a NY2 12 lb. trigger spring?

  • Jeff

    I like this idea. It really is ingenious. While this does little to curtail irresponsible behavior with firearms, it does address a particular persistent safety issue. It doesn’t matter how smart you raise your kids, if its a neighbors kid that does something stupid. At the same time any storage system that is good enough to keep a child from getting to the gun impedes your accessibility. Kids can spy on you entering a combination or find a key. Its a safety barrier that wouldn’t impede the average adult but would a child, thus allowing a distinction between proper and improper user. Any safety barrier that doesn’t impede the proper use of a firearm is a good one.

  • workingdog

    Is it removable for practice shooting at the range?

  • Jusuchin

    Agree with jdun and Mike. Responsible ownership is not only making yourself safe, but making everyone around you (except what you’re shooting at, be it targets or some perp who decided to rob you) safe.

  • Mike N

    Err, I prefer to just not keep a round in the chamber. If kids can rack the slide, they can probably break a 10-11 lb sheer pin?

  • Roy

    @Deryk,

    Just one point worth making — I don’t know that keeping guns away from kids is the right solution. It mythologizes them and creates the allure of the forbidden around them.

    When I was growing up (in Israel), my dad owned two firearms, both of which were unsecured, in locations known to me, stored with ammunition. When I was about 7-8 he showed me how to disassemble and reassemble them, and promised to take me to the sand dunes (range? What’s that? :) ) to shoot anytime I wanted. In the next 3-4 years as my dad would tag along as chaperone on our 3-4 day school trips and carry a police-issued rifle “just in case,” we’d spend every evening learning how to take apart and reassemble whatever he’d been issued (typically an M1 Garand or other older battle rifle).

    Worked pretty well for me.

  • Andy

    To me the issue becomes one of training. If you are going to use these then you would have to train with that super heavy trigger pull, which would mean a lot of pin replacing.

    Like as has been said before the true way to keep a fire arm safe from children is to keep it secure, away, and teach your kids.

  • Tony

    This thing sounds like just another product of the afraid of everything-mindset. Okay, if one must have some ridiculous “safety” device, one that is permanently broken off after a single trigger pull sounds better than more permanent ones. But why must we give in to the demands of the scared ones that something like this should even exist? Safe handling of firearms starts between ones ears, it’s not something one can delegate to a gadget.

    And of course, what happens if the owner of a gun equipped with such a “safety” device needs to actually use the gun to defend them self or their family? (Which would probably be the reason why the weapon was left in some easily accessible location in the first place, no? Otherwise one could just lock the gun up and not have any need for something like this device.) Will a 15 lbs additional threshold on the trigger pull make it easier, or more difficult, to fire the weapon quickly and accurately?!

  • Jeff

    How exactly are you supposed to practice? Break the pin, and then send your gun back to them to have a new one put in? This is a really stupid idea.

  • Jim

    Sounds like an excellent way to get caught with your pants down. Just what you need at 4 AM when a robber is breaking in, a jam in your $700 pistol caused by a three cent piece of junk plastic.

  • Will

    But if they don’t know better, how will they know to use it?

    All I see out of this is scratches on the trigger/frame, useless for those of us who were raised properly.

  • Philip Williams

    So if I take the gun to the range, I break the pin on the first shot. Then I take the gun home, clean and reload it. I forget to put in a new pin, or I have run out of spares. Now what?

    It’s a lot harder for my toddler to get through the door on my bedside safe than it would be for him to pull the trigger with one of those things installed.

    The public (and hence gun makers) keeps looking for something that will relieve gun owners of the responsibility of owning guns. If a device existed that could guarantee safety, I say we should put it on criminals, not on guns.

    It’s an interesting idea, but so was the automatic revolver, which has been called the “answer to a question nobody asked.”

  • Spiff

    I wonder how many revolvers (no manual safety’s…) will come with one of these gadgets? Nothing replaces common sense safety measures, and a “man made” safety is just one more thing to rely on!!
    Spiff

  • Molon Labe

    What happens when the shear pin fall into the pistol’s action? Obviously not going to be an issue on some pistols but could certainly be a problem with some designs.

  • Hryan

    Why not instead make sure “small hands” do not have access to the gun in the first place? I would not want one of these things on any of my firearms as it would make it near-impossible for my wife, who has small hands, to fire an accurate first shot; which could be deadly in an emergency situation. Plus, I honestly do not trust a company that calls themselves Improved Guns and introduces a product such as this.

  • Adam

    Real gun safety comes from good training practices. I never touched guns without permission because if I wanted to shoot I knew I could get permission, and I was never curious about them.

  • David

    It’s great that people can patent a really bad idea.

  • Sean

    Are they going to cover the liability lawsuits when that first shot goes very wide left due to that trigger weight and kills someone down the street?

  • Jake

    +1 on what Deryk said.

    If I buy a Glock or a 1911, I’m buying it in part for its trigger as it is, straight out of the box. Trigger locks aren’t very sensible, and what constitutes an overly heavy triggers vary from person to person, but putting in a pin that makes it [i]harder[/i] to use a gun when it’s needed?

    Use a gun safe, says I.

  • Sian

    Playing advocate for a moment,

    Honestly, I’d prefer something like this to mandatory gun locks or junky trigger locks or requiring a firearm in the home to be stored unloaded.

    I’m glad that that there are solutions out there to help childproof a weapon without making it useless in an emergency. Obviously if you can control completely who enters your home, there’s no real need, but I know there’s a lot of people who can’t truthfully answer yes to that.

    It can also be an interesting alternative to the NY Trigger for departments or individuals who really want to cut down on ADs/NDs with ‘safe action’ and similar striker-fired pistols with no manual safety. The only downside I can see is it would be expensive and/or tedious to practice that first shot break.

  • DaveTheGreat

    The “much-hated internal trigger lock?” I am rather fond of mine. Saved my ass the ONLY time I used a Kydex paddle style holster. Sat down too fast in the car, the seatbelt post knocked the Glock clean out of the holster and sent it spinning about the cabin with various knobs, pencils and whatnot hitting the trigger from the sides . . . only a trigger safety or a 1911-style grip safety would have prevented an AD.

    I radioed in for a lunch break, unloaded the gun and drove straight home for my old double retention holster. Tossed the paddle holster in the trash, and never again doubted the wisdom of a trigger safety.

    If I ever had to USE my pistol in real life, I would not want the first shot dependent on some 15-pound pin that hopefully will break without somehow flying into the mechanism and causing the trigger to not reset or some other problem that can only be solved by field-stripping and a pair of tweezers. That ides is just … bad. Bad bad bad.

    Teach your kids to not touch them, keep the damn things locked up when not in use, use a holster that covers the trigger and has at least one level of retention, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. This is all basic stuff, but it actually works. Some meant-to-break pin that severely decreases your first-shot accuracy as well as become a random flying bit of plastic that is just one more uncontrolled variable in a life-or-death situation is a rotten idea.

    Besides, I am pretty sure most kids could manage to pull a 15 pound trigger if they were dumb enough to try. This just gives bad gun owners more confidence in their bad gun habits.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      DaveTheGreat, you are confusing a Glock trigger safety with a gun lock. A lock, often found in S&W and Taurus firearms, is a mechanism inside the gun. It allows the operator to lock their gun with a key. The downside is that it has been proven that heavy recoil can cause the guns to lock themselves!

  • http://godscaliber.blogspot.com teke

    Let’s see. I send you my name and my gun (through FFL) you install this contraption and send it back for FREE!!! wow what a deal.

    What else do you do with it while you have it in your posession. Catalog the make, model, serial and my Name? Maybe you “Test” fire it and keep the fired round and casings? Maybe you send this data to someone for safe keeping?

    Maybe you use the counts to push for legislation to require your patent.

    Look at everyone volunteering to add this great device. Must be good right!?

    No thank you.

  • http://scribd.com/twobirdsflyingpub Sal Palma

    I have to admit that it’s an interesting concept but I’d hate to have one get in the way of dealing with a life or death situation. I agree with the blogger in that it is much better than a trigger lock; however, I still see training as the key to firearm safety and proficiency.

  • Chrontius

    A more practical problem is the mechanical one in DA lockwork – some of them don’t do so well with a half-pulled and released trigger. I believe that it was older Colt revolvers that would simply lock up, requiring service, if this happened. In a DA, where do you put the shear pin? At the front of the trigger stroke so the hammer can’t be brought back and in the case of an autoloader, the slide can’t be actuated? Or at the back, just before the break, that will allow the weapon to be manipulated, but on some weapons risks putting the lockwork into an … inert state accidentally?

    Also 11.5-15 pounds is pretty monstrous. I’m pretty sure at anything beyond contact or point blank range, I’d miss. I’m not just making this up, my friend’s Sigma has a trigger about that heavy, and it rubbed raw the skin of my trigger finger, in addition to me being terribly inaccurate from about 20 feet on out.

    An alternate method for removing the pin compared to just squeezing until it breaks seems like a reasonable second-generation product.

    I wonder how a shear pin would interact with proper trigger discipline?

  • http://zerogov.com presidentender

    Apparently I’m the only other person in the world who likes this.

    If we were all perfect – if we could all use that ‘safety between the ears’ of which the commenters here are so fond – then the 4 rules would be meaningless. We wouldn’t need mechanical safeties at all.

    But we have at least 4 redundant safety rules, and those are there for a reason. We exercise trigger discipline not because we’re afraid of sudden spasms but because we know that the world is generally a bumpy place; muzzle discipline not because guns go off by themselves but because we know that even the best of us may have an ND.

    This is one more failsafe, one more safety feature. It’s a passive safety; it’ll hurt “quarter-sized group” accuracy, but it doesn’t require a different manual of arms or any different actions at go time. But like the trigger safety on a Glock, or a firing pin block or the grip safety on a 1911, it’s just another layer of safety.

  • justdavid

    I must echo what Deryk and jdun have said. This is a hardware solution to a software problem: Most kids aren’t taught gun safety, and not all adults secure guns properly.

    If someone takes safety seriously they’ll secure their guns and won’t need something like this — which incidentally makes the gun harder to use if, God forbid, they need to use it.

    If someone doesn’t take safety seriously and doesn’t secure their guns from children, they aren’t going to get these things installed EITHER.

    Well-intentioned but useless product that tries to solve the wrong problem.

  • 032125

    Nothing like encouraging a first shot miss to keep people safe. If my wife tried to pull that trigger she’d hit about three feet to the left of the assailant.

  • mang

    Great that he’s pursuing this as a non-profit. Seems like a simple, smart product.

  • M.G. Halvorsen

    My son, at the age of five years old, started to gain interest in “Daddy’s Guns”. My approach to it was simple: I took my old Marlin bolt-action .22 down from the gun rack and started teaching him. He wasn’t allowed to hold it until he could tell me its make & model (An OLD Marlin Model 80E),
    how many rounds it held, what to do when he first picked it up (check to see if it was loaded-ALWAYS!!!), and the Biggie: Never point the gun at any person, even by accident.
    We went over the rules every time he ever wanted to hold it, which was about every night. He’s 21 now, a pretty good marksman with his own rifles, including the old Marlin, and still automatically follows all the rules. The moral to this is simple: If the firearm is demystified, and the child is taught by someone who knows what the Hell they’re talking about, you’ll have a safer adult on down the line. Teach your children well…

  • MHinGA

    1. The startle reflex causes fingers (and toes) to clench with far in excess of fifteen pounds’ pressure.

    2. Keep your d**n finger in register– adopt THAT as a safety measure.

  • SpudGun

    Thought I’d throw my controversial hat in the ring on this one – when it comes to child safety and firearms, you sometimes have to read between the lines.

    If Mommy or Daddy get high / drunk and end up shooting each other or a friend / neighbour, they often use the excuse that Little Billy got hold of Pa’s gun and did it. Thus saving the adults from a lenghty jail sentence.

    I’m not saying this happens in every case and I echo the comments that more should be done to keep firearms away from children unless under direct responsible supervision.

    How you achieve that I don’t know. When my brother and I were kids, we could find the hidden Christmas presents in under an hour, so finding guns and the keys necessary to ‘unlock’ them wouldn’t be a challenge.

  • Michael

    How about just getting a SA/DA pistol or revolver? A Beretta 92 or a Sig have 10-12 lbs trigger pulls already.

    And no, this ain’t gonna make it safe for children. All its gonna do is put a little thingy behind your trigger that might cause it to not fire when you need it to.

  • Matt G.

    While I am Leary of new “safety devices” I like this much better than the internal key locks. However I must agree that weapons should not be in a place where unauthorized kids can reach them at all let alone pull the trigger hard enough to trip even a regular weight setup.

    I see this as only for someone who has no kids or whatever but still wants an added bit of safety for their nightstand gun. But even then, this product may be too much for some women to trip. Not being sexist.

  • JT

    So why would you keep a loaded handgun lying around and never having fired it? Makes no sense to me, I’m always the first one to pull the trigger on my firearms.

  • JesseL

    Guns are plenty safe, and this device may even create an unsafe condition by degrading first-shot accuracy when someone really needs it.

    What the world really needs is fewer stupid people, who don’t know how to handle their guns, secure their guns, or teach their children about guns.

  • Steve Hunter

    Pretty ridiculous. Seems like a scared liberal’s idea, based on the notion that the gun is a demon which, loaded, is left alone and never touched for fear of stealing the souls of the druid who owns it. But its not at all thought out for the way guns are really used in society by the people who love, own, use, think about and believe in them–which is to say, they shoot them a lot. Nobody who shoots a lot is going to screw and unscrew that shear pin in and out.

  • Billy Bones

    Ludicrous!

  • http://weaponsrelated.com HB

    If you are at the point where your child is pulling the trigger of your weapon you have already failed as a parent/human being. If you think it’s even a possibility that the situation may arise please just get rid of your guns rather than buying a screw.

  • Mountainbear

    Hmmm…

    IMO, there are no accidental shootings, just negligent ones. Also the world doesn’t need safer guns. A gun is a device to blow someone’s head off. The world needs safer gun owners.

    The idea is, in principle, not bad, but it targets a symptom and not the cause.

  • MibZ

    Interesting, but is there a tool to remove it, or do I have to break it every time I want to use my gun?

    If I ever have kids I won’t need it though, because my guns and my kids will be far apart until they’re old enough and supervised.

  • John

    Haha! We’ve come full circle.

    The Glocks (and its DOA second cousins), are proud of their consistent trigger pull, regardless of the long and heavy pull.

    The 1911s are proud of their consistent, short and smooth trigger pull, regardless of the need for a safetly.

    This would undo all of that.
    Might as well use DA/SA, instead of a gun with the shear pin, which has all the disadvantages, and none of the advantages.

  • Francis X

    Sounds like it prevents intentional discharges also. How exactly can you practice such a heavy (and possibility inconsistent) trigger pull? It also adds an additional device which can fail.

    This device becomes a liability in a home defense situation.

  • Alex

    Seems like another hardware solution to software problems.

  • JT

    won’t this actually INCREASE child fatalities as the kids will notice that they have trouble pulling the trigger with their index finger, so they’ll turn it around and pull it with their thumbs or lay it down on the ground and try to pull the trigger while leaning into it?

  • Witt Sullivan

    That is a terrible idea more than a good idea. If it’s a pistol that’s going to be put in a drawer never to be fired until a bad guy comes into the house, it’s a “good” idea. (That whole idea is bad, you’re not practicing enough to use the pistol effectively, much less hobbling it with a false security device.) If a person regularly practiced with a pistol with that thing installed, he would have to take a screwdriver with him to the range so he could unscrew it, or he would scuff up either his frame or trigger every time he drew and fired it for the first time. He would also be going through boxes of those things if he didn’t. If gun manufacturers started installing them, they would be the first thing disabled making them a waste of time and money.

    I can just imagine it not shearing off properly and blocking the trigger or bits of the device to fall off inside the frame and jam the pistol in some way.

  • Ryan

    Dumb as shit on toast.

    Sorry, just the way I feel.

  • Deryk

    @Roy…I was generalizing. I taught my own son firearms safety from a very early age, as I was at the time, a firearms dealer in the UK and we had a lot of guns in the house, although they were all under lock and key. He was taught that guns are to be respected and and not toys and he never handled a gun without my supervision. I taught him the names of the gun parts and how to strip, clean and reassemble. I took him shooting from an early age and one of the first guns he shot was a Colt 1911A1 at the age of six, (albeit with adult help and supervision). Now, 20 years later, those lessons are deeply ingrained and he is one of the few people I trust on a hot range. BTW, he still loves the 1911A1 but he still can’t quite out shoot the old man!!
    The main point of this extended ramble is, that as someone has pointed out already, gun safety starts between the ears and we all have a responsibility to secure guns from children and also to educate them about firearms.

  • Steve Hunter

    I think we’ve killed it dead, but let me just further point out that it’s not even as well-thought-out as the Glock wedge safety of a few years past. That cheap plastic gizmo fit behind the trigger of a G, and one disconnected it by poking it out on the drawstroke. If it was worth it to you, training could make it part of your firing drill, and it would leave the gun safe for kids and if bad guys grabbed it from you, at least for a bit. Moreover, it was reusable, inexpensive, didn’t involve any drilling and downtime at a gunsmith’s. These people appear not to have heard of it, are behind the engineering curve and can’t really be, therefore, gun people, so one does wonder about their ulterior motives. But look for big upcoming coverage on NBC, CBS, CNN and probably even Fox.

  • DRod

    A safety to backup a safety that back up poor gun handling.
    Ingenious!!!

  • james

    use common sense..

  • zincorium

    I’m going to join the crowd arguing against this, for the following reason-

    The gun is STILL not safe in the possession of children or if taken by a mugger. You are still DEPENDING on your other safety mechanisms, like a gun safe, to prevent them from obtaining the firearm.

    Seriously, does anyone arguing for this actually think that children can’t manage to get around this with five seconds of thought? Like, breaking the pin with pliers? Or might just be able to pull the trigger anyway, using a lever.

    All this does is add another obstacle in between you and the use of the firearm. If you’re lucky enough to be in the position where access to a gun isn’t necessary, then lock it up without ammo around. A child cannot fire a gun without bullets, that much is simple truth. If you need to have the gun available to save your own life and your families, this is incredibly stupid.

  • DaveTheGreat

    I stand corrected on the trigger lock vs the trigger safety. I actually have two Taurus pistols with the lock, so I should have known better. And yes, I do hate the lock. My .357 jammed up after years of frequent range shooting … I suspect the lock was the cause but will never know for sure because Taurus fixed it and gave it a complete overhaul for free despite having bought it used at a pawn shop and it being at least 15 years old. Makes me trust their customer service department a lot, but I don’t feel comfortable trusting my life to that gun anymore. It was my backup piece when I was a cop, and then my CCW piece after that.

    Great company, but the key locks are a bad idea on so very many levels.

    But as for the original topic: external gun locks are free pretty much anywhere, a pistol safe can be bought for about as much as two boxes of ammo, and if it is loaded it should only be in your hands, a retention holster or a safe (I am not in favor of the safe, but not everyone agrees with me on that). There are no other options. This is a non-working solution for a problem that has no excuse for existing.

    Though I really do applaud them for doing this for free. Good hearts, good intentions. I admire thier goal; I just disagree with their approach. Almost tempted to donate for those reasons alone.

  • http://zbranekvalitne.cz/ Czechnology

    “curious little children can’t shoot themselves or their buddies when they find the gun”

    I think they’re underestimating children. It’s unbelievable, how ingenious small children can be with things they find.

  • Mike Cavanaugh

    Both asinine and contemptible. I suspect this is a shadow company for one of the usual well-funded anti-gun organizations.

  • jamie

    This will not stop little kids. 2 year old open all sorts of childproof stuff. Don’t underestimate a 5 6 7 year old boys ingenuity to open or even break stuff.

    Keep your gun on your hip, or in a safe or locked drawer.

  • tincan

    this is a pretty great idea, though some of the objections here suggest that gun owners have low reading comprehension or poor imaginations.

    from my reading, here’s how it works: 1) you have a hole drilled in your trigger area and get a half dozen pins 2) you screw in a pin that can be unscrewed whenever you’d like 3) you screw a pin in place when you won’t be present to supervise the gun you keep accessible for defense 4) if an UNEXPECTED and irresponsible little finger finds its way onto the trigger, this pin hopefully prevents something terrible from happening. 5) if an intruder breaks in and you grab your gun and need to shoot, the gun goes bang with one strong pull, no unlocking necessary.

    so if you’re positive that your gun is inaccessible to your kids and other kids, you don’t need it. if your internal little range master’s voice is saying “well, Bobby might find this and play with it” then you could probably benefit from this. if you’re more concerned about having a 2″ group on a possible intruder, then you won’t.

    i don’t have kids yet, but i can definitely imagine using something like this in addition to teaching them about gun safety and keeping the weapons out of sight.

  • Geoff

    I am apparently the only one here who doesn’t think this is a bad idea. It is certainly not a solution for every situation, but for some specific cases it is a great idea. I would never suggest this as am addition to a CCW weapon, but if somebody has a dedicated nightstand gun, then I think it’s a great idea. Yes, of course the most important and best way to prevent kids from guns is education, but kids have stupid friends that touch things they shouldn’t. For that purpose, this is a wonderful device. It would be a hinderance in a dark alleyway situation, but in a home invasion it could be easily squeezed through as it was designed or broken off prior to the first shot.

  • Mountainbear

    Imagine the lawsuits if something would happen with one of those. And something WILL happen sooner or later.

    If you make something idiotproof, someone will make a better idiot.

    Remember the guy with the cruise control in his mobile home, who went into the back to make himself something to eat while his vehicles continued to move? Or the woman who tried to dry her dog in the microwave?

  • Stinky

    I know that this is a very old post, but I have a slightly different view on the situation. Right now, we get things like internal locks requiring a spindly little key as a solution to the non-existent problem that this device attempts to fix.

    I dislike the idea of either one. However, I’d rather have this little jobby than an internal lock. Think about it. You open up a new gun and unscrew the gizmo then toss it in the case and go on with your day, enjoying a BS free new gun. At worst, you dry fire it once and don’t replace the pin. That’s a heck of a lot easier than trying to remove an internal lock.

  • David

    Seems as useful as tits on a bull, not very.

    They will never get anybody wanting this done, if they do, it’ll be the guys who are forced by their wives to do it

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