ATI MP 40 (.22LR)
Along with the Stg.44, ATI plan on importing a clone of the famous German MP 40 Maschinenpistole chambered in .22 LR. It is a very nifty gun.
One problem with importing a replica of the MP 40 is that it has a very long tubular receiver and a short barrel. The gun pictured in the photos is actually classified as a short barreled rifle (SBR) but is quite a long weapon. ATI has two options to address this, either they shorten the receiver and increase barrel length or permanently attach a faux suppressor. They are thinking that the latter option is more likely and plan on building authentic faux replica's of German WWII suppressors.
Don't expect to see this gun before 2012.
Any news on when you can buy one of the gsg stg44′s in the USA ?
EDIT: Forgot to mention they’d have to take off the stock completely so that its length can’t be reduced by folding the stock. I know its stupid, but thems be the rulez.
These will sell like hotcakes in Canada assuming they find their way over here. Since they don’t fire centerfire rounds, the fact they’re SBRs doesn’t matter as long as they aren’t marketed as pistols. No mag restriction either because they fire rimfire rounds. Can’t wait to get my hands on them
Hi,
Some info and answers:
“Well, thats just about the coolest thing I have seen in my life. I would definately buy one if theyre in the 400-500 dollar range or less. I can see the trouble with the SBR issue – maybe just make it a pistol? A fake suppressor is kind of odd for this weapon.”
Suggested retail price is $459.00.
We’re doing the STG-44 first cause we’re still batting a lot around with this one. As it stands right now, following the STG, GSG will be making this as a rifle, so restricted states can have it too, just like the GSG-522. Just like the 522 as well, the BBL will be 16″, extended beyond the end of the front sight, with a WWII style German fake suppressor that slides over the BBL and threads into the front housing, so it will be removable. After you get one, ATI will have the shorter BBLs available for sale for those of you who decide to SBR it and get a form 1. We have also discussed a pistol version, where it will have the front end you see here and the folding stock will be fixed in place, i.e. decorative, folded under the gun. The stock on the rifle version folds, but i assume we’ll have pinned ones for those of us in states that can’t have folding stocks (NY).
“It’s a good thing we have the SBR laws, because otherwise criminals would be flocking to arm themselves with these highly-concealable handcannons.”
Correct, how else can we stop the bootleggers?
“this also goes on my “need” list…also I’m kinda hoping that it ships in the box in the last pic.”
We’re working on the box too. That box GSG sent them to Shot in was really nice. It also would add 100 euro ($139 USD) to the cost of the gun. Both ATI and GSG are working on alternate box options, but due to the cost we might just have to stick with the standard cardboard. We’re trying though.
“I think a .22 LR plinker would be fun, but a 9mm semi version like HZA Kulmbach makes would be much cooler and a fun SBR. What I’d really like to see is an FG-42 – in 7.62x51mm though, not .22 LR!”
I posted this on the STG blog, so to save time I’ll just copy and paste.
GSG only manufacturers in .22LR. Also too, to make it as a centerfire rifle would neuter the hell out of it to make it importable. It would have to be specially designed to accept only a proprietary 10 round magazine to be importable. That said, if you wanted to make it hi-cap, you’d have to go through your 922r compliance and no one makes .22 cal STG-44 parts in the US that I’m aware of. Also to meet centerfire rifle compliance, the stock and triggerhousing would have to be one complete piece, not welded, and not detachable from each other, so that would eliminate the wood. I am very familiar with these regs because of the 9mm MP-5 clones I was importing from Turkey. They looked good, but they were so limited by the govt regs that people weren’t buying them because they didn’t want to mess with 922r or possibly not modifying it correctly and having an illegal firearm.
“Very cool, any info on mag capacity?”
Not yet, this gun is still in early development and GSG has to do the STG first, so I probably won’t have more hard facts on it till around the end of the year once the STG is in production and their development team moves on to this guy.
“Surely ATI could seek a “sporting use” exception from the ATF since the overall length is so damn huge!”
Still gotta have the BBL length. I’ll have to write a pretty crafty letter explaining the sporting purposes of the gun ingeneral even with a 16″ BBL because ‘plinking,’ is stated as not being a real sporting purpose by the ATF. That’s where I think we’re really going to have speed bumps on these guns because the GSG-522 is ‘like’ an MP-5 and can be used for affordable training purposes and tactical competitions (I guess). “Sporting Purposes” as defined by the committee of politicians who are in charge of such things is geared towards trap and shoot and skill competitions primarily. They do weight each one accordingly, so we’ll see. It’ll probably be my finest crafted explaination letter to the ATF ever.
“The gentleman holding the gun is a MAJOR importer of this type of item and the dummy gun was conceived by him and a friend of mine who is one of the biggest GSG/ATI sellers in the country.”
Oh no, that’s not completely true. Fair is fair. Both the STG and MP-40 were very heavily requested since around the beginning of 09 from our customer base. Me and my purchasing agent just kept hammering GSG with the feedback until they made us the dummys for Shot so they could see the demand first hand. It took about 4 hours of them being on display on day 1 when GSG came to us and finalized that yes, they would make them. It was like pulling teeth but it worked. That’s why both models are so far out production wise.
“Again..like I posted with the StG .22LR…H K will scramble to make their own version and file another lawsuit against ATI…”
Also copied and pasted from the STG page:
Actually, no they won’t. Call it lessoned learned. Both the MP-40 and STG-44 rights are owned by Schmeisser. GSG and ATI already have permission and exclusitivity from Schmeisser for the .22LR version of these guns, that’s why they have the Schmeisser name on the side of them along with ours and GSG. It just so happens that the owner of Schmeisser and the owner of GSG grew up together.
“Any chance there will be a full auto version?”
Not a production model, full auto guns are regulated by the NFA and would only be importable to LE departments and Military. Can’t see law enforcement or military having much use for these
“We need to amend the law so that a SBR is a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches _OR_ is under 26 inches in length overall. Then this would be legal, as well as many other things.”
Please write to your congressman. Only congress can change the laws, ATF just enforces them.
Let me know if you have other questions
Thanks
Christopher Marzahn
ATI
Import Manager/Federal Compliance Officer
P.S. “Also for some reason that guy reminds me of a terrorist from counter strike, the 3rd i think.”
What the heck kind of terrorists do they put in those games? I’m wearing Khaki’s lol.
I saw these at SHOT, they are pretty nifty.
I mentioned to the sales rep there that a Sterling or Sten .22 would be very cool as well.
If they make an Owen Gun copy, I am all in.
Any chance of them making one in 9mm?
I used to manufacture/sell a replica of the M3A1 “Grease Gun” in .45 caliber
This MP40 can be sold as:
1. Legally having a stock with any under 16″ is a “Short Barreled Rifle” requiring a $200 tax stamp (USED to cost $5)…I’d buy one.
2. REMOVE the stock (with no provision for easily mounting one) and you can then sell it as a “PISTOL” with under 16″ barrel
3. Fixed stock with a 16″ or over barrel and then provide a short dummy barrel for display.
Hope they do produce this .22 Caliber MP40 as I believe it would sell well. I thought of doing this years ago with an epoxy MP40 shell around a .metal 22 acrion/barrel but never did.
Just my .02 cents.
RAS
Personally, I like the idea. This is probably the closest I can ever come to affording a classic like this. I’ve considered buying some quality airsoft replicas as substitutes for other nearly unobtainable guns. Do you think they could be persuaded to make a C96 Mauser? Shooter grade originals are about $1000 while anything the looks decent is twice that much.
Some responses to comments above
Máté: the WW2 originals are full-auto, so they are much more regulated than a SBR. Even if one were converted to semi, an original would still be a SBR. I just checked prices on GunBroker, and it seems that full-auto originals cost about $9,000 while non-functional originals cost about $4,000.
ChrisK: Part of the appeal of these GSG firearms is that they closely replicate the original look, feel, and manual of arms. The GSG AK rifle requires the user to lock & rock the magazine in just like a real AK. The bolt handle, safety, and magazine release are the same, too. The GSG-5 was very close to the real thing, with the same left side charging handle, magazine release, and safety. It was even weighted & textured to closely match the real MP-5. The idea is to provide a low cost alternative to the centerfire originals.
Alaskan: No worries from HK on either of these. Even if HK decides to remake the original, the design is public domain. That would make as much sense as someone suing over a 1911, an AR, an AK, or a Winchester 92. HK owns the rights to the MP-5. No one owns the STG-44 or MP-40 anymore.
We need to amend the law so that a SBR is a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches _OR_ is under 26 inches in length overall. Then this would be legal, as well as many other things.
Well, they barely feature in the recent game (just one mission in the single-player part), but it did feature heavily in the previous ones. That said, most computer games these days are in a ‘modern’ setting, more or less, WW2 is a bit overdone.
Again..like I posted with the StG .22LR…H K will scramble to make their own version and file another lawsuit against ATI…
On-topic.
This gun looks COOOL.
Any chance there will be a full auto version?
For those interested, the pictured gun is a non-working dummy gun to help prove to the power-at-be this will be a popular item to import. It was made from metal and wood so simulate size and weight.
The gentleman holding the gun is a MAJOR importer of this type of item and the dummy gun was conceived by him and a friend of mine who is one of the biggest GSG/ATI sellers in the country.
I hope it comes in and that they will find a way for those of us in non-SBR states to be able to own one. Maybe just add a perm attach suppressor to it and call it good?!
Surely ATI could seek a “sporting use” exception from the ATF since the overall length is so damn huge!
Greetings from Texas,
This looks great! The only mystery to me is that it took so long for someone to make it. I hope either a ‘pistol’ version or a SBR version is offered as tell.
Could the choice of wartime German weaponry be vaguely related to the fact that they are both (MP40 and StG 44) featured prominently (as the adversaries’ weapon, therefore automatically infused with “cool factor”) in Call of Duty: Black Ops?
Very cool, any info on mag capacity?
I love the old WWII firearms (although I have sold all of my originals since I hardly ever shot them, and I don’t collect guns to gather dust and rust!). I think a .22 LR plinker would be fun, but a 9mm semi version like HZA Kulmbach makes would be much cooler and a fun SBR. What I’d really like to see is an FG-42 – in 7.62x51mm though, not .22 LR!
Now, as for ATI’s problem, I would have a completely different solution: modify the internals to make it nearly a bullpup action. That way the 16″ barrel would end at the chamber just forward of the trigger. The existing magazine would have to be a fake, but there are many other possible solutions for that as well, the best of which would be a copy of a Ruger 10/22 mag in front of the trigger guard (yes, only 10 rounds, but if it took Ruger mags you could put a 100-round drum on there for low cost and only a change in appearance while shooting; it would still look fine on “display”).
Heck, who am I kidding? Why not just make an MP-40 “shell” for the 10/22? It would be cheaper and easier all around… in fact, you could probably do that for any of these .22 LR military knockoffs, just like the mini-MG42 stock they already have for it!
this also goes on my “need” list…also I’m kinda hoping that it ships in the box in the last pic.
This just in: ATI will make a .22LR replica of every military gun, EVER MADE!
leave off the folding stock and sell it as a pistol
Wow now that is one nifty firearm, I hope to see more WWII era .22LR weapons from them.
About time too. When I’m out hunting squirrels in my full Waffen SS outfit, I feel a little odd carrying a 10/22. But now thanks to ATI, I can fully recreate the D-Day landings at my local ducky pond without fear of ridicule.
A fake suppressor crudely welded onto the end of the gun would be the icing on the cake as far as I’m concerned. Bravo.
This is absurdly awesome.
It’s a good thing we have the SBR laws, because otherwise criminals would be flocking to arm themselves with these highly-concealable handcannons.
Also for some reason that guy reminds me of a terrorist from counter strike, the 3rd i think.
Just an off topic question: are there restrictions on original ww1 or 2 guns in America? If so, what are they? The same as on other firearms?
Well, thats just about the coolest thing I have seen in my life. I would definately buy one if theyre in the 400-500 dollar range or less. I can see the trouble with the SBR issue – maybe just make it a pistol? A fake suppressor is kind of odd for this weapon.