SSAR-15: Bumpfire stock for AR-15

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Slide Fire Solutions has developed a stock for the AR-15 that facilitates bumpfire shooting. It is reminicint of the ill fated Akins Accelerator that was initially approved by the BATFE but later deemed a full-auto device and banned.

The SSAR-15 in action.

I am not sure quite how this works, but the BATFE approval letter and the Slide Fire website indicate that there are no mechanical parts. It seems to be using the buffer spring to provide the forward “bumping” force UPDATE: It requires the operator to provide muscular forward force . This is unlike the Akins Accelerator which had its own spring system. The lack of any mechanical parts may be why the BATFE approved it.

SSAR-15 Stock

Side Fire have it listed for sale at $319 on their website.

BATFE says its legal

[ Many thanks to jdun1911 for emailing me the link. ]

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  • Jim

    Now that’s a reasonable price!

    • Matt

      If I had the money I’d buy ten! Then when there banned I’d selll them for 600$ instead of 3

  • SoloTwo

    Yeah that won’t end well.

  • KC

    this makes me want to get a belt fed M16 upper and put it on a standard AR15 lower

  • http://Www.eyesneverclosed.com JP

    Youch – 300 bones for something that just makes it easy too spend even more money on ammo. Bump firing is fun, but not that fun.

  • Hogan

    I hate to be a wet blanket, but products like these make me wince. Outside of adding any undue stress to your guns carefully engineered frame and springs, seeing a “work around” device like this makes the pro-gun crowd seem less credible…

  • Sian

    It looks like the foregrip is an integral part of this. See how he pulls the gun forward from the stock before firing?

    also $319 is a lot to pay for a piece of plastic with no mechanical parts.

  • Franklin

    I’m going to order one before Arfcom buys them out.

  • jdun1911

    He should rename the video to: “How to be a millionaire in 24hrs”. The stock probably cost him $10-$15 to make and he will have no trouble selling every single one of it for $319.

  • DRod

    Legal? Give it time.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    I still wouldnt trust those weasels at ATFE to not suddenly ‘modify’ that decision if these things sell well.

  • Vak

    Awww come on, just reopen the registry already, it’s not like people are going to murder each other with weapons that takes months (years) of paperwork to get anyway.

  • jdun1911

    Franklin,

    I think it’s too late for that. From what I understand it is already back ordered before release.

    Vak,

    The 1986 law did not officially passed in the house. It going to take time to get it in courts tho.

  • Harald Hansen

    As a (reserve) soldier and sometimes recreational shooter, I’ve figured that full auto is like sex: If you’ve got a steady supply of it, it doesn’t seem all that important. If you’re not getting any, suddenly is seems hugely important.

    Don’t buy this silly device, people: Use the money for ammo and range time, and have fun and become a better shooter in the process.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Harald, great quote ;)

  • KBCraig

    ATF changes their mind and subpoenas the seller’s client list in 3….2…1…

  • john

    agree 100% with Vak.

  • TCBA_Joe

    The theory behind the atkins accelerator was perfectly legal too. The extra spiring work around was not the reason it was deemed a machine gun. The ATF also changed the definitions to include the Atkins.

  • MarkM

    You should get two free Surefire 100 round mags included for $319. Really. It’s a $60 plastic stock.

    It certainly demonstrates that if you make a law banning something, all it does is increase the human desire to have it. Ex-servicemen who have used full auto are certainly aware it’s not that big a deal, and grateful they weren’t footing the bill when the end of the range day required burning up the last of the years allocated ammo.

    One stock, an AR15, ten loaded Surefire mags, and a camera = youtube fame. Soon to be seen at a laptop very near you.

  • Don

    Hear Hear on Hogan’s comment.

    -D

  • Jon

    Very cool but I’ll wait a few months and see if the ATF changes its mind before I consider buying one. ATF’s policy change after initial approval with the Akins device was disgraceful. We want to follow the law but stop changing the rules in the middle of the game!

  • Bob

    Cool if this works the way I think it does when that switch is turn it will it have nothing holding it on the gun and you could just pull it off. Not only that but you could pinch your finger really bad between the stock and the trigger, plus it could be illegal, no thanks…

  • dogon1013

    the trick to this thing (and what makes it different from the Akins version) is that your arm and off hand is the “spring” that brings the gun back forwar to re-fire the gun.

    It would almost be 100% necessary to have a forward grip on it to make it work well… I’m glad someone finally made one and it was approved. hopefully it will stay approved.

  • JustinR

    Yea that won’t stay legal for long.

  • JesseL

    By my reading of the BATF’s letter, it seems that your non-shooting hand is used to push the gun forward in the stock, rather than any spring. In a sense this make the foregrip into the trigger.

    Unlike the Akins Accelerator, this requires a discrete physical motion of your body for each shot.

  • Russ

    if it would work with a 22lr conversion i would buy this, that would be fun and cheep… but i dont think it would have any recoil to operate it…

  • Lance

    Never a fan of bump fire too many chances of a round going of before cambering. A tac trigger is better for those who must shoot full auto w/o tax stamp.

  • gunslinger

    I’ll have to agree with JesseL. It’s like bumpfiring when you hook your thumb through a pant belt loop and “pull” the gun forward. All this product does is give the shooter the ability to hold the AR in a comfortable position. when the gun is fired the physics pushes the rifle backwards into the stock, releasing the trigger and allowing the gun to cycle the firing sequence. at the same time the forward pressure of the front hand is pulling the gun forward, so that by the time the trigger is depressed via the trigger finger, it’s all ready to go again.

    now, i bet one could modify any cheap multi-position stock to essentially allow the same function. and i doubt it’d cost 300 bucks. I think the reason it does cost so much is that the production for the stock isn’t automated. that’s where the costs come down. if you could injection mold that, they’d be much cheaper.

    jdun1911, w/o getting political, how did the 1986 bill not pass the house? can you give some links to the arguments? I’d be interseted to learn of the arguments. Thanks!

  • Rifleman336

    Yeah the Atkins Accelerator had a BATFE approval letter also, and they still got raided. Don’t buy one unless you have lots of money to pay for a lawyer, and they’ll still put you in “cooler” after it’s all said and done.

  • gunslinger

    oh, and i forgot to mention about atkins.. i can guess as to why ATF reversed their stance. I’m guessing that once the first round was fired with an AA, no other action was required to fire other rounds (i.e. physically pulling the gun forward). the spring AUTOMATICally pushed the gun forward causing another round to be fired.

    yeah, bad on the AFT to be indian givers, but i can create an argument for them.

  • Flakt

    that video definitely doesn’t look real. the muzzle flash timing is odd. and look at the ejected brass, it just disappears. also, the sounds.

  • Bryan S

    A shoelace does not have any mechanical parts either…..

  • John C

    Yeah he pushes slightly foward before each burst. An interesting idea, but its not exactly a piece of cake to use. Also, the whole gun swings foward and back for every shot, separately from the stock. I think this would make the recoil harder to control.

  • Matthew

    Since the person is the “spring” does that make the shooter an unregistered machine gun? Perhaps just your two arms and the ATF will cease them as evidence?

  • Nill

    Whether or not you feel bump-firing is an irresponsible waste of ammo or that this is product is grossly overpriced, it should at least be safe to buy as unlike the Akins device there is no spring action involved with this stock. (neither as part of the product or by way of the buffer spring)

    Slide Fire had a table set-up at my local gun show demoing videos of this in action to drum up interest and, aware of the Akins debacle, were quite clear that all their product does is let the stock and grip slide freely and loosely back and forth a small distance as a single unit. You still need to manually push the gun forward every time to activate the trigger, just like regular bump-firing.

    The Akins Accelerator predictably ran into trouble because it incorporated a spring to automatically move the receiver back into position and required no constant intervention by the shooter to maintain continuous fire.

    Regardless. Even if “safer” & more controllable bump-firing might be fun once in a while I’d still hold off for the inevitable $50 knock off.

  • jdun1911

    It is almost impossible for AR15 to go out of battery. You have a better chance at winning the mega million. In fact if it happen I advise you to go to 7-11 and get $10 worth of lottery tickets.

  • Matt

    I tell ya, regardless of ATF future decisions I would buy one of thes today if it weren’t for the price. 100$ is reasonable since it would be no doubt a popular item. I would even pay 150$ happily. I might pay 200$ unhappily but get over it once I’m shooting more rounds than I can afford.

    But 300$ is a bad decision on their part. I know lots will buy it at that price but LOTS would buy at a lower price point. Selling 1000 for 300$ ain’t nearly as good as selling 20,000 for 150$.

    Hopefully after the early adopters and rich folks have all bought one and the market drys up theyll lower the price to something that isn’t an insult.

  • Cantrell

    Seems to me there’s a lot of technical judgment based on a short video clip. Believe I’ll wait till there are a few more reviews from credible magazine writers before I condemn it. As to the “sellers” list, well I’m sure they will be sold at gun shows without signing your life away. As to former military fast shooters not wanting a fast shooting weapon…Well this ole helicopter gunship door gunner spent 2 1/2 years pouring lead out of an M-60 and I still want to do it. Can not remember ever seeing anyone that got the chance to fire a full auto anything that didn’t end up smiling and wanting one. As to price…well I say let them set the price. The market will tell the tale. Good luck with your product Slide Fire!

    Cantrell

    • Don

      Hi Cantrell , and all.
      I have had the opportunity to try 3 diff versions of this stock/device. I must say. It works amazingly well you can do everything from 2,4,5, etc, mag dump all accurately burts being more accurate than full dumping of a magazine. The cycle rate is right around 700-850 rpm. Which is pretty sweet I think. You can get a basket ball size group easily at 100-200 yards doing bursts/magdump. Because it moves with the pistol grip the felt recoil is reduced making it more accurate than a full auto m4. I got to play with them for a couple months never had a jam malfunction. Ar used was a smith & wesson m&p 15. It will work with a bipod or no bipod same for foregrip but it really goes smooth with foregrip it really is worth $300. When you think about the fees,time,paperwork, and attention buying and registering a full auto takes. $300 is one solid fee compared. Anyways. I was reading through here and noticed alot of guys putting this device down. I promise you guys try it out you won’t regret. !!!
      And mr Cantrell you have the most realistic comment to me I know no not one single person that dosent glow or feel like they just won a prize after shooting a full auto :) this device works so well that I can see it being used to design new firearms with this feature built in Also as a side note you wouldn’t happen to related to the legendary guitarist Jerry Cantrell ?
      I had to ask Anyway to conclude this I have seen this work amazingly on m&p 15. , many ar platforms brands all mil spec , ak47 wasr , converted saiga shotgun , m&p15-22 trigger pull change to 3lb. , I just hope they make more for mac10,mac11,Uzi, there’s alot of weapons that would work great with this design also just to point out the guy who designed this is also ex military so that kinda throws the military guy single shot thing out the pic I have alot of friends on the military they all train on 3 rnd brutes none of them had ever got to fire a full auto 556 til this stock and all loved/purchased won after leaving the day of firing lol, as a serious shooter practice always makes you better !!! We all agree there gotta keep the blade sharp .
      P.s noticed guys wondering about durability these stocks are very durable , it reminded and felt/work liked a magpul stock the newer sbs is my fav. But there all good.

  • jdun1911

    Matt,

    Yeah I agree, he would have made a lot more if he sold it at $100. You make money by mass volume that’s how Wal-Mart is #1.

  • BenL

    Block off the hole on the rear of the buttstock and add 1 or 2 inches of buffer spring between the tube and the stock and it would be good to go.

  • Cymond

    Funny, I remember people commenting about the Akins on message boards, saying “maybe if it were $300, but not $1000″.

    No, you couldn’t easily make one out of a telescoping stock. The stock and the pistol grip need to be rigidly attached to each other. You’d need to fabricate a way to attach the grip the the stock and free float the receiver. It could be done, but only crudely and with significant effort.

  • http://gunblobber.wordpress.com Gun Blobber

    gunslinger: See here:

    http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/12/05/1986-fopa-congressional-shenanigans/

    Follow the link to AJAX22′s arfcom postings as well as stuff on Calguns.net. AJAX22 is the one getting the tapes from the Library of Congress that show the actual voice vote, which would apparently have been defeated, but Charlie Rangel officially entered it as “passed”. At least, that is my understanding, based on reading some of this stuff a few days ago. But, I’ve slept since then, and my head is stuffy right now, so I might be glossing or confusing some parts of it.

  • Bill Akins

    “It seems to be using the buffer spring to provide the forward “bumping” force. This is unlike the Akins Accelerator which had its own spring system.”

    The above initial blogger stated that he was not sure exactly how this stock works. I would therefore like to explain. The AR buffer spring is not providing the force to translate the action forwardly after recoil. The shooter pulling forward on the fore end of the rifle is what does that.

    Secondly, while I opted to use a spring in the Akins Accelerators that we produced instead of using human isometric tension, specifically claim #1 (of 19 claims) of my patent (U.S. patent #6101918) does not limit my patent to only using a spring, but to any method of translating the action back forwardly again. Thus the claims of my patent covers not only using a spring, but also human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock, or any other method of translating the action back forwardly again after recoil. Consequently, Slide Fire Solutions and I are proceeding with patent licensing agreement negotiations.

    “Rifleman336on 10 Dec 2010 at 8:37 am link comment
    Yeah the Atkins Accelerator had a BATFE approval letter also, and they still got raided.”

    (After all this time people still continue to put a “T” in my name when there is no “T”. The above statement is incorrect. The now defunct Akins Group Inc was never raided by the BATFE. We were wrongfully required by the BATFE to turn in all the springs we had (even though we had previously had TWO ATF approval letters) and then the corporation dissolved and then my patent that had been licensed to Akins Group Inc, escheated back to me and since my partner resigned I became the last sole officer of Akins Group and the successor in interest to the dissolved Akins Group Inc and all its springless accelerator stock inventory which I still possess and intend to retrofit to be actuated via an isometric lever located in an add on fore end pistol grip which will translate the stock back forwardly without using a spring. Again, my patent claims are not limited to just using a spring even though that is how we produced them.

    “Nillon 10 Dec 2010 at 1:35 pm link comment.
    I’d still hold off for the inevitable $50 knock off”

    I still own and vigorously protect the patent which is still valid. Anyone attempting to make and or sell a stock that infringes upon the claims of my patent does so at the risk of litigation.

    I am not here to argue with people who do not know nor understand what the claims in my patent are. In essence, I patented bumpfiring within a stationary rear buttstock whether the forward fore end moves or not and using any method of translating at least the trigger back forward after recoil is protected by claim #1 and the beginning of claim #2 of my patent. So although we used a spring in the accelerator we sold, my patent claims cover any method of translating the action and or at least the trigger group back forwardly after recoil. Which would include human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock. If anyone is interested and industrious enough to want to know exactly what my patent claims protect, it is public record at the U.S. Patent office and can be found by doing a search for patent # 6101918

    I hope this clears up any misunderstandings some people may have.

    Bill Akins.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Bill, thanks for your comments.

    • Paco

      Do you plan to provide a new, legal version of your redesigned stock to those that originally purchased the $1k, now banned version, free of charge?

      • Steve Bohannon

        In fairness why don’t you ask or at least include tom bowers in your snide question about providing so called ‘legal replacements’ for an item that when sold was legal. Your attemps to smear Bill belong as much on tom bowers since he’s the partner that withdrew virtually overnight from the agreement after batfe “RECLASSIFIED” the aikins accellerator

  • jdun1911

    Gunslinger,

    Congress did not have the vote to pass the 1986 law. Yet it is in the book as a law. This is well known in the gun community and the NRA knew about. They did nothing from the gettgo. Now it’s up to real gun owner to take up the fight.

    I have not kept up with the issue but there is an active Arfcom thread that active member seek to challenge the law. It’s a good thread to keep you update on what’s going on.

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1013300

  • jdun1911

    Bill Akins,

    I heard you sue the ATF. Was it successful?

  • Chrontius

    Bill, just curious – how much do you charge per unit sold to license your patents?

    I bet I could make these sort of things a lot cheaper than $300 depending on your licensing rates… or for $300 provide a complete package with a couple of quadruple-stack magazines and a nice foregrip.

  • centurion923

    One thing that bothers me is what happens to the selector switch detent spring?

  • Matt

    I hate to say it. But I think I’m going to buy one of these next year after people start getting them and reviewing them.

  • Matt

    Centurion-
    I was wondering that as well. In the video up there you can cleary hear him take the safety off so it still works somehow.

  • Steve

    My nephew is the guy that developed these. He has invested a ton of money and around three years working out the design issues. He spent money buying the molds and the machining to produce these stocks. The actual injection molding is being performed by an independent USA company, that will also pay salaries for American workers.

    The price point allows him to recover his costs and make a reasonable profit. Perhaps he will even get wealthy from the sales. I hope for his families sake he will. That is the beauty of the American Free Enterprise system.

    For those that feel the price is too high, feel free to wait for knock-offs, but I hear many people complaining about cheap Chinese knock-offs on many of the forums that I frequent. How many of you say the same things?

    In answer to the question about the selector detent spring. There is a small block that is installed in lieu of the grip. It holds the spring in place and allows the stock grip to slide along the bottom of the receiver.

    I received a pre-production model last week. It works and is very fun to operate.

  • SteveC

    This is the “Steve” posted previously, whose nephew developed these. My apologies to the Blog Owner for using the same name. The Stocks are not actually on back order as shown on the Slide Fire website. The initial production is being delivered this week. Orders will be accepted when they are available to ship.

    The website was online, but wasn’t ready to take orders until the product was ready to ship. The posting on AR15.com sort of jumped the gun and people started trying to place orders.

  • shockfish08

    Hey what kind of muzzle device is the guy in the vid running? It looks quite interesting.

  • The Bateman

    I think Slide Fire Solutions should just tell Bill Akins to **** ****. I work as a patent attorney, and I can assure you that U.S. Patent 6101918 is incredibly far-reaching–and virtually indefensible. Sorry, Bill, whoever your attorney was didn’t do a very good job of counseling you. You wasted a lot of time and money on essentially nothing.

    Bill Akins wrote:
    “Secondly, while I opted to use a spring in the Akins Accelerators that we produced instead of using human isometric tension, specifically claim #1 (of 19 claims) of my patent (U.S. patent #6101918) does not limit my patent to only using a spring, but to any method of translating the action back forwardly again. Thus the claims of my patent covers not only using a spring, but also human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock, or any other method of translating the action back forwardly again after recoil. Consequently, Slide Fire Solutions and I are proceeding with patent licensing agreement negotiations.”

    • Shotgundaddy

      I have to completely agree. I am a patented inventor myself and know Bill is emotionally attached and letting his personal feelings get involved but I am sorry no one can ever patent human isometric tension or any form thereof. This is a natural occurrence produced by the body, which is not patentable. Hey I wish it was so I can collect royalties and rights to licensing people doing things with their body but that is not how it works in the patent world.

      Bill stated “Thus the claims of my patent covers not only using a spring, but also human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock, or any other method of translating the action back forwardly again after recoil. Consequently, Slide Fire Solutions and I are proceeding with patent licensing agreement negotiations.”

      The only thing that was patented in my opinion is the spring. Being vague and saying any other method of translating the action back forwardly again after recoil does not cover anything specific in the patent world. The weapon itself is translating the action back forwardly after recoil.

      When it comes to a patent someone can change just a little aspect or function in a patent to get around it anyways.

      Wish you luck in your pursuit but it seems like you will be just throwing more money out the window. I am on neither side except that of free enterprise and if you were going to develop a stock like Slide Fire Solutions did you would have already done so before hand. To make a statement like that I hope you have time date stamped materials proving you were actually in the recent process of to support your claims, which would still be a moot point due to my previous comments.

  • TJM

    This stock looks the same to me as the Akins accelerator only without a spring. I see several problems.

    No offense intended to Slide Fire Solutions, but we all know that this stock is for simulating full auto and isn’t for helping handicapped people. That’s a bunch of hooey. It’s for bumpfiring period. The whole “this stock is for the handicapped” thing on their website puts me off. I’m a disabled vet and I don’t like people trying to use handicapped people to further their own thing. That’s as bad as anti gunners saying “its for the children”. Both are false and kind of low in my mind. Maybe they used the handicapped thing to fool the atf for approval and later will delete it from their website.

    The other problem is that the ATF boys are going to shut this down just like they did Akins as soon as they realize the mistake they made approving it. The shooter doesn’t make a “conscious decision between each shot” to hold the stock forward like their website says. They only make that decision once and after that the gun’s recoil pushes their left hand back but since they are holding pressure forward, the gun goes back forward. But that happens so fast it is impossible for that to be a conscious decision between each and every shot fired.

    As much as I hate to admit it, once they pull that trigger, it sets into motion an automatic sequence of events. Their left hand just takes the place of a spring. I know the human isn’t a machine gun, but then neither is a spring or a shoe string unless they are used to make a gun go full auto. If the human is used to make the gun go full auto in a purpose built bumpfire stock to do that, the atf may say that is full auto if it is in a stock specially designed for bumpfiring like that.

    Regular learned bumpfiring technique with just a normal stock isn’t automatic or else every semi auto is an automatic, so the atf will never rule that way. But these work around purpose built stocks that are designed specially for bumpfiring really are automatic when you think about that you only make one conscious decision to pull the trigger and after that your left hand pulling forward causes it to do it automatically because there is no way with the rapid cyclic rate of fire that you can have the time to make a conscious decision to pull forward between each and every shot fired like their website claims. You just keep a constant pull forward and then the recoil does the rest. That isn’t a conscious decision to pull forward between each and every separate shot fired even though they claim it is.

    I hope not, but I think the atf will realize this and shut them down. Who ever buys one is going to lose out. All it is going to take is one egg head at atf’s legal dept to realize this isn’t really a conscious decision between each and every shot and they will say oops we made a mistake approving it because it is a purpose built machine gun conversion device that no conscious decision is made between firing each separate shot. No way I would buy one and have ATF agents come to my house to get my stock later. Akins accelerator all over again. If anyone needs to waste a lot of ammo, either bumpfire the regular way or save up and get a real machine gun.

  • RyanP

    Greetings,
    I have fired an AR with one of these stocks. It is a blast to fire with. TJM, I disagree with you…since you haven’t shot using this stock you don’t know, but you do completely control the rate of fire. I was able to fire 1, 3, 5, 10, x number of rounds and cease when I wanted to. It was completely accurate to. I was able to put 25 of 30 rounds within a 8″ circle. It does take a little getting used to. It can be used on just about ANY AR-15…22LR don’t provide enough recoil, but just about anything above that will work. I used it on a 9 and .223 uppers and it worked beautifully. Next time you go to a gun show and see it there just go take a look at it…I think you will see how it works and the beauty behind it.

  • RyanP

    Also, TJM…you are put off by the “handicap” sales pitch…the owner of the company is a disabled vet…

  • Gary

    “Harald Hansenon 09 Dec 2010 at 9:41 pm link comment
    As a (reserve) soldier and sometimes recreational shooter, I’ve figured that full auto is like sex: If you’ve got a steady supply of it, it doesn’t seem all that important. If you’re not getting any, suddenly is seems hugely important.

    Don’t buy this silly device, people: Use the money for ammo and range time, and have fun and become a better shooter in the process.”
    ———————————————————————-
    You are so right. I wanted FA soo bad, and now I have a registered M16. Now that I have it FA is not that important anymore and I see it as a hungry ammo eater, decreasing the time I can afford to shoot.

    I guess we all want what we can’t have, and then when you get it you find it wasn’t THAT important after all.

    Still not giving up my 16 though :O)

  • ZacMan

    Like RyanP, I too have had an opportunity to fire a rifle equipped with this device. I’ve fired both in .223 and 9mm. I consider myself an intermediate level shooter (not a beginner – but FAR from expert) and I was able to bring controlled, on target, three-shot bursts on my first clip.

    The “cool” factor involved in doing a 30-round mag dump in less than 2 seconds probably does wear off a little on your next trip to buy ammo, but I was particularly impressed with the amount of controll that was so easily attained. A rifle equipped with this stock (either AR-15 or MP-5) still retains the ability and accuracy of single shot operation. Therefore, a Slide Fire equipped rifle does not have to be a budget busting ammo eater. But c’mon…you gotta do the mag dump thing now and again, it is THAT fun!

    My take on the price discussion, having used it, is that of the myriad of accessories that are available for the AR-15 rifle, the Slide Fire Solutions stock offers the most bang for my buck (all pun intended). Also, I’m personally happy to see that it is 100% manufactured and assembled in the U.S.A.

    Lastly, the owner truly is a disabled veteran and donates his time and resources to help other vets with disabilities. That may not be the primary purpose for his invention, but neither is it the focus of his website. It is simply worthy of mention, and unfair to criticise as cheap marketing IMHO.

  • KenD

    Why wont this work on my Mp-15 with a Ciener 22 conversion kit? What does the recoil impulse have to do with it? When i shoot it with 22′s, it does recoil about the same as the 9 mm one.

  • KenD

    Why is there a Left and Right hand version? what difference does it make?

  • Jimmy

    Same question as KenD. Why is there a left and right hand version and what difference does it make Slide Fire Solutions?

  • ZacMan

    For the right-handed shooter, there is a block that covers about 2/3rds of the left side of the trigger guard from the rear to the front. When you want “bump fire” you rest your trigger finger on the block and pull the rifle forward with your non-shooting hand. This pulls the trigger into your finger and fires the first round. The recoil forces the receiver to slide back into the stock, removing your finger from the trigger and thus allowing the firing sequence to recycle. The “isometric tension” applied by your non-shooting hand returns the trigger into your finger, repeating the sequence until you cease to apply that tension or you empty your magazine. Left-handed shooters need the tigger block on the other side of the trigger guard.

    Right or left-handed, you will still wind up with a spit eating grin on your face when you’re done.

  • Francis X

    Akins should have been a warning. Remember they involved a lawyer too and had a letter. Doesn’t matter except to save them from going to jail. Anyone who buys loses their money if BATF reverses and confiscates.

    • ryan

      who is this from lex ???

  • gunslinger

    Francis X: remember though, Akins also involved a spring to “automatically” return the receiver to the “forward” position where the trigger would be engaged by the resting finger.

    i think the difference here is that while the trigger finger remains stationary, the argument is that the person has to physically pull the gun forward to engage the trigger. I think that’s the basis for the judgement because the person still has to do a physical operation to compress the trigger.

    now, i’m not sure of the BATFE wording, but it was one “pull” of the trigger causes multiple rounds to be fired. and the act of pulling the whole gun onto a stable trigger fingure is the same as the trigger finger moving onto the trigger.

  • Gerald Lee

    As the owner of one of these fantastic devices, I can tell you the shooter has complete control and you can shoot any number of rounds you choose to. Having said that, much over 3 or 4 rounds and you tend to lose count ’cause it’s just too much fun.

    Will it get “unapproved” by the BATFE and Obama’s minions, probably, maybe, who knows? Life is much too short to worry about $350, the current price of these amazing toys. IF you can’t get your own, keep your ears open at the range. I had more than a few visitors try it out in San Antonio. I was the first to bring one to the range. And every guy that tried it out loved it!

    The devices are made near here. Again, what’s $350. Consider that 10 – 100 mg Viagras cost $150, a new set of Adams clubs runs from $400 to $1,200. I’m betting the SSAR-15 will get you off better than other choices. As to being a better shooter taking more bullets to the range more often – at the ripe old age of 61, I don’t worry about a kill shot when I can put 600 rounds a minute downrange. Remember, it’s not the destination but the journey . . .

  • Sean O’Malley

    Ref: Gerald Lee on 18 Apr 2011 at 1:31 pm:

    “at the ripe old age of 61, I don’t worry about a kill shot when I can put 600 rounds a minute downrange. Remember, it’s not the destination but the journey . . .”

    LoL. My brother, I’m only a couple years behind you… and truer words could not be spoken. I’m still chuckling. thanks.

  • Eric

    I bought one…just for giggles. It takes a few tries to get the rythm, but once you do..it’s all giggles. I’ve shot an M-16 before and this does not rise up while your shooting. I can buy 1000 rounds of BrownBear for $229 and have the time of my life…….this thing is a bargin!

  • Raoul O’Shaughnessy

    I’m sure ATFE will pre-order a bunch and give one away for free with each AR they let ‘walk’ over the border.

  • Gerald Lee

    I’ve used the SSAR-15 on half a dozen AR’s that I built. All are a barrel of fun to shoot no matter what components you might use. I keep it on a Del-Ton for the most part and I’ve put 4K+ rounds through that rifle and not a hiccup yet. I don’t see any excessive wear at this point and I don’t expect any for quite a while. The receiver is a stock item and I use chrome lined barrels on all I build or buy.

    I also put the stock on a .308 DPMS style AR and it rocks hard. Having just gotten approval for my first YHM silencer, I can’t wait to get back to the range with some .223 subsonic. I expect it will be like a Hollywood movie – pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft about 600 times a minute.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, money isn’t everything. When you see the video at a gun show, you can believe it is every bit as easy and as much fun. Take granny too ’cause it’s a hoot! Some day I hope you all get to give the SSAR-15 a try. It’s the most fun you can have with your pants on I don’t care what your age is. I just wish more ranges in San Antonio let me get off . . .

  • ncskeeterman

    My local gunshop owner is selling these. He took the first one in his shop out to the range to test it out. I don’t know how many takes they took in the video, but my guy took one take on his phone. He fired 30 rounds in 1.8 seconds. I am definately buying one, before atf changes thier mind. I may never use it, but I’d like to have it. I have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen. I may never use it, but you never know.

  • devil dog 2-6

    Just ordered one…..a bit to0 pricy. lets hope its all they say it is. will review and report back.

    • Gerald Lee

      You won’t regret your purchase. As I mentioned in an early post after this amazing item first appeared, it’s the most fun you can have with your pants on. With the lower costs for AR’s these days, you can have a fun machine for way under $1k. Start buying ammo ’cause you won’t want to quit. Shooting is truly exhilarating and you won’t be able to keep the smile off of your face even if the first wife suddenly shows up . . .

  • Denis Hingley

    On Point Firearms sells a bumpfire stock for $750.00. So $385.00 sounds reasonable to me.

  • bermudamarine

    Over a year later and 20,000 sold, I think he got rich.

  • dalton

    the stock is badass on my ak 47 i dont have to spend a 1000 dollars on converting it into fully automatic

    • Matt G.

      They make these for AKs now? That’s cool.

      Oh btw. You can’t legally convert any gun to real full auto, and if you could it would cost waaay more thatn a 1000$.

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  • Copin2350

    You can also bumpfire by hooking your thumb in the trigger guard and then hooking into your belt loop on your pants. The ATF will have to outlaw wearing pants with belt loops?

  • Ryan

    I recently made a trip to Missouri to visit friends and family. I’m from California, and am a huge gun promoter. My brother-in-law turned me on to the slide fire stock…. I can honestly say its the coolest thing I have ever seen. When I got back here to old faithful, liberal California I decided to do a little more research on this particular stock. I found the asking price to be reasonable, and the product looked to be fairly simple and maintenance free. However, knowing which state I reside in, I decided to check the legality of the product in question. None to my surprise, it is illegal in California, imagine that! This stock does not alter the firing mechanism of the rifle, nor does it change any part of the California required/approved devices for an AR style rifle ( i.e. bullet buttons, mag locks). Even though the stock has been declared legal by the ATF, still a no go for California. I left Missouri knowing that I was returning back to a liberalist paradise. Even the Taurus Judge Revolver is deemed illegal to own in California, with its rifled barrel, it is classified as a short barreled shotgun by California standards. I have since been shopping for real estate outside of California’s reach.

    • Cymond

      Yeah, all fire accelerators are illegal in California, even those little cranks for rimfire rifles. OF course, what do you expect from this dumb state? An identical AR-15 pistol and AR-15 rifle are both considered ‘assault’ weapons, but for completely different features.

      Pistol: magwell location and threaded barrel are bad, pistol grip is fine
      Rifle: pistol grip is bad, but magwell location and threaded barrel are fine

      I actually figured out a way for Californians to get a Judge. Short-shotguns may not be allowed, but AOWs are California-legal. Hence, get a gunsmith to convert a Judge into an AOW. Either add a vertical foregrip to one with an underbarrel rail, or machine the rifling out of the barrel. It’s extra hassle & expense, but not impossible. The Rossi Circuit Court Judge (rifle version of Judge) is also California legal, apparently.