RMR-30 Prototype!!!

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These photos are of a prototype RMR-30, a carbine version of the Kel-Tec PMR-30. How cool is this?

It is being designed by Tobias Obermeit, whom I interviewed on the blog recently. The dimensions look similar to the H&K MP7 (assuming equivalent barrel length). I like the H&K-esque collapsible stock, the generous rails and ambidextrous charging handle. It looks like a lot of fun :)

I think they should sell this with a 16″ barrel with permanently attached flash hider, thus making it legally slightly shorter than a 16″+flash hider.

UPDATE: Kel-Tec says that availability and price info to be released at 2011 SHOT show.

UPDATE: What the RMR-30 would look like in black (photoshop).

[ Many thanks to Drew for emailing me the photos. ]

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  • Julio

    Looks good. Does anyone know what the OAL with a 16″ barrel and the stock telescoped in would be? I ask because anything over 24″ would make it legal to own in the UK – which would be nice.

  • Alaskan

    that is too cool.

    i wonder if a select fire version could be made..

  • Mad World

    Hmmmmm if it were over 762mm in length and had an awful thumbhole stock and 15 round mag I might be able to import it over to my neck of the woods haha unlikely but a possibility!

  • Todd

    Kel-Tec is on a roll. Damn them, now there is another must-have. I like the ambidextrous charging handle.

  • TCBA_Joe

    Something other than the .22 would be nice. Even 5.7 would be a better choice for utility purpose. But I like the idea of a MP7 we lowely civis could get.

  • Janis Petke

    Looks cool, which is really surprising, since PMR-30 is the ugliest pistol designed in decades.

  • Jesse

    It looks similar to the Walther SP22 which is what I thought it was at first.

    Making it 16 with a permanently attached flash hider isn’t that great of an idea because then how will people with a silencer attach it?

  • http://gunmart.blogspot.com Gunmart

    I’ve got some pics that have been photoshoped to show you what it would look like in all black. Here:

    http://gunmart.blogspot.com/2010/10/kel-tec-pmr-30-carbine-pics.html

  • Redchrome

    Sweet!

    Is the charging handle reciprocating?
    I’d take a wild guess no, but I have no information to go by other than that the charging handle is only angled forward so it wouldn’t make a good forward assist.

  • http://gunblobber.wordpress.com Gun Blobber

    Ooh, that looks awesome… and just begging to be SBR’d….

  • Ivan

    Man it looks really cool. But it can be much cooler with conversion kit(16” barrel + box with buttstock), turning your PMR-30 into a carbine, I guess.

  • james bradley

    looks like garbage. Something comparable to a hi point. Design appears out of balance.
    Design is reminiscent of an oversize walther sp22 with a long barrel. Definately not one that I would spend money on..

  • http://harqueb.us Mike S

    I wish they’d make a version of the Sub-2000 like that.

  • Robert

    Very nice. I’d say a Magpul-ish forward grip might be in order, but I’ll be in for one in any case. Timing? $$?

    Way to go, K-T.

  • Underwhelmed

    This actually looks cool. Definitely influenced by the MP7. I always wondered why there wasn’t a civvie friendly .22 cal version of the MP7. I can see picking one up after the kinks are worked out.

  • Will

    Wow! That is one hot looking carbine. Now, why can’t Hi-Point make something look this nice?

  • steven

    Wow, nice. I could see that concealed in a flip down or rotating compartment in my car; James Bond style.

  • Luther

    MP7 f##k off… RMR-30 prototype come on in baby, . . . i missed you. que the music.

  • Vak

    Not of of those “must have” guns, but definitely one of those “I don’t need it, but it will make everyone jealous” guns.

  • Zach

    That’s cool as hell. Would it be available as a conversion kit, or is it meant to be a standalone?

  • ap

    Just picture all that aluminum as nylon and you’ll get the drift. +1 on the flash hider/sub-16″ bbl but they won’t do it.

    How about some extended mags? 60 rd? 100 rd? That would be cool.

  • http://maypeacebewithyou.blogspot.com Matt G

    I wish the sight radius were longer.
    It looks like it would go a touch under 26″.
    I liked the concept and general execution of the PMR-30, except that it seemed to have some troubles after several dozen rounds in a dusty environment, with the specimen that I shot. I wonder if this could be remedied in the carbine?

    Kel-Tec is doing some of the most creative inovation there is, these days.

  • Deviantsaint

    This is a brilliant idea. I’ve been thinking for a while that a carbine similar to this in various rounds would sell lot hot cakes. Carbines in 9mm, .45, and even oddball rounds like 7.62×25. The small handy package with collapsable stock and magazine in the grip (rather than ahead of the trigger) in polymer is a perfect combination. I hope keltec runs with this in multiple calibers.

  • http://jumpthestack.blogspot.com jumpthestack

    The name could have been chosen better. I thought this was going to be about the Trijicon RMR reflex sight.

  • Komrad

    Very cool looking.
    The Chrome (Nickel?) provides a nice contrast with the almost black polymer
    but that might change in the final version.
    I would definitely buy it if the price was right.

  • Lou

    That screams SBR. I’d buy one in .22LR and immediately send out a Form 1. A nice SBR MP7 style carbine in .22LR with my Gemtech Outback II…..

    FUN

  • Cesium

    Julio it would be a semi automatic rifle then. Are semiautomatic rimfire rifles allowed? Luckily i dont live in the UK

  • http://www.unclejohnstech.com hojo

    pretty damn cool.

    .22WMR != .22LR

    some people don’t seem to notice this.

  • zincorium

    I hope it will also be available with the stock that they’re using on the SMG. Don’t get me wrong, the collapsible stock looks fairly cool, but the SMG stock looks a lot more comfortable, and stores magazines besides.

    Other than that, looks cool. Although I don’t really understand why the pistol version doesn’t have a flash hider, but needs one, and the carbine has a flash hider, but shouldn’t need one. Eh, oh well.

  • emdfl

    Grendel – the originators of the P-30, a 30rd .22 mag. pistol – also made a carbine that used the same set-up except for adding a legal length barrel and a sliding stock to make the pistol a carbine.
    The more things cahnge, the more they stay the same…

  • Julio

    Cesium

    Yes, CF and .17HMR semis are banned in the UK, but not .22LR or .22WMR. These just have a 12/24 restriction (12″ bbl & 24″ OAL).

  • Keith Applegate

    Do you really need a flash supressor on a .22 WMR?

    And if so would the extra inch and a half really make that much difference anyway?

    If you feel the need to be maximun TactiCool just make the stock shorter.
    After all it still has to be 27″ overall with the stock at it shortest no matter how long the barrel is. (Unless of course you want to go Title 2.)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Keith, yes, I want it just because its TactiCool :)

    • Chrontius

      I’d like to see the integral flash hider compatible with Surefire’s QD suppressors, if such a barrel is offered. :D

  • http://www.kaliber.hu gvass

    VolksMPSieben 4 the People!

  • http://2aHawaii.com 2aHawaii

    Very nice. I really like the collapsible stock as opposed to the folding stock on the SUB-2000

  • Frank

    I wonder if they plan to make extended magazines for it.

  • Roper1911

    I want one, and a can of black autobody putty to fill in the horrific waffle type grip. but leave it silver, that thing looks Rad as hell in brushed aluminum.

  • nick

    PLEASE make a longer handguard/rail option for it. I would love one with the ability to put a scout-style long eye relief scope on. This would be the perfect backpacking gun. It could take squirrels, rabbits, coyote, raccoons… a deer in a pinch.

    The trigger guard needs some work too. The squared off front isn’t very useful in a carbine.

    I also don’t dig the low barrel. I understand the problem though.

    Make it TOUGH, RELIABLE, and ACCURATE. I would need to see 2 inch groups at 50 yard to be interested.

  • dogon1013

    I think I saw that the OAL is just under 23 inches when collapsed on the Kel-Tec forum.

    Kieth,
    I don’t know where you got 27″ OAL as a requirement. but I believe the ATF regs say 26″ OAL minimum, with the stock extended, not 27″. I know some states measure it with the stock folded/collapsed to the shortest length (california comes to mind).
    But since this is a collapsible stock, you could easilly glue in a block so that it cannot be collapsed all the way, in order to get the right OAL. ( this might work for the UK too)

    Julio,
    Is there any restriction for the 30 round magazines in 22WMR in the UK?

  • Red Jeep Girl

    I could see this being my new multipurpose farm rifle. SBRed I could easily carry this on the tractor. With a rail like that, I can easily mount a light for the raiders of the chicken coop. Seems everyone else has discontinued their .22 mags in semiauto.. Hope this works well for them!

  • http://www.woodsmonkey.com Tim

    I like the set up a lot. Always liked the idea of the Grendel R-31, but reliability was an issue. This is promising. Not that 30 isn’t a lot, but I was thinking about extended mags too. 50 would work. Its a whole box of shells and wouldn’t stick out that far.

    Not sure the design would lend itself to other calibers but I like this configuration much more than the SUB-2000. Make it take Glock mags in the various rounds and this would be winner as well. I’ve been looking for a good high cap pistol cal carbine thats light and doesn’t cost a fortune for ages. I’m in for the .22 mag already, but I’d also be in for one in 9mm, .40 or .45. 7.62x25mm would work awesome as well but I don’t see it happening.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I quite like that! I’ll probably buy one if the price isn’t stupid.

  • Got One

    emdfl: Grendel was run by the same designer as KelTec. I still have a P12 .380 and love it.

  • Liberty4Ever

    The photos showing the RMR-30 in black weren’t Photoshopped. I used GIMP, so technically, the images were GIMPed.

    :^)

    I like the RMR-30 a lot better with the exposed aluminum black anodized. I’m looking forward to getting an RMR-30.

    And yes, Kel-Tec is definitely the leader of the pack when it comes to innovative firearms design.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    I’m going to want one when they come out. In black.

    • Gronk

      In Black for sure. two-tone has been done to death and I’m tired of seeing it, and never really liked it in the first place.

      Only problem with Kel-tec is they’re still back-ordered on the PMR-30 and the wait is usually 6 months or more, and by that time Obama may be renewing the AWB.

  • Julio

    Dogon1013,

    re. your question, no, there are no magazine capacity restrictions for rifled firearms in the UK.

    Shotguns are limited to 2+1 on a standard Section 2 certificate, but can be held on the Section 1 certificate required for rifles if a larger magazine capacity is needed for a specific reason, such as vermin control or Practical Shotgun.

  • shawn

    it still ain’t an mp7.

  • Iman Azol

    “shawnon 22 Dec 2010 at 3:43 pm link comment

    it still ain’t an mp7.”

    It’s better.

  • http://www.quakersteam.net JAMES A. GEIGER JR

    I’D LOVE TO SEE KELTEC MFG A MODEL RMR-30, ALL BLACK, 16-1/4″ REMOVEABLE BARREL (FLUTED AS AN OPTION) SURVIVAL RIFE IN A PLASTIC CASE WITH HOLES IN THE CASE FOAM FOR A SCOPE AND EXTRA MAGAZINES. THIS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT ALTERNATIVE TO THE HENRY REPEATING ARMS AR-7 IN .22 LR. A PICCATINY RAIL ON THE BOTTOM OF THE RIFLE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT LOCATION TO MOUNT LIGHTS AND LASERS. IF THE CASE AND RIFLE FLOATED- ALL THE BETTER. I’M DREAMING, JIM G.