EMA Tactical will soon be importing the RONI Carbine Kit's for the Sig 226 and 2022, the Springfield XD and the Beretta Px4 Storm pistols. The price will be $399, the same as their GLOCK kit.
Legally, the converted pistols are SBR's, not carbines, and so the necessary paperwork must be filed with the BATFE.
surprised nobody’s mentioned this kit http://www.hera-arms.com/cpe.php
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0I HOPE THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE ONE FOR THE S&W SIGMA 9MM .
1 0thats cool. now to acquire a XD..
I can see this kind of gun used in a space/sci-fi show,much like the Beretta CX4 Storm was used on Battlestar Galactica
1 0very limited applications
even for (para)military
too heavy , same ballistics with the pistol
I would go with an upper portion replacing existing barrel-slide , with barrel 6-7″ , and foldable stock , semi/full auto . With total weight less than 4,0lbs , creating a pdw-smg out of a pistol , and aiming to the military/paramilitary market ,
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0 0Does anyone make a 16″ barrel for any of these pistols? Or even a 14.5″ with a permanently attached flash hider?
It seems that if you could find a pistol barrel that long TC vs US would apply and you could swap back and forth.
0 0Not worth the $200 SBR tax.
0 0Trying to see the point to these. I suppose they would make for a good, cheap alternative to a carbine/smg/pdw/etc, particularly if a department already has a plentiful supply of Glocks or other compatible pistols.
0 0Because Hi-Point carbine does not come with a short barrel.
I’ve thinking about making one of my 1911 into SBR just to have. I budget at least $200 (tax stamp) every year so I can turn one of my firearms into SBR or purchase an NFA item.
Dom,
If your state allows NFA I suggest you get on board. If you have $200 and 1 hour of free time you should make one of your firearm into SBR. It isn’t hard to do, just a long wait process.
I think the $200 tax stamp is unconstitutional and should be challenge in courts.
0 0The rationale behind it is for those countries where you need a new and hard-to-get licence for a semiauto carbine, but you already have a handgun. Two-in-one.
In my country it is not a new gun, just an accessory without any licence. It is 100% legal to take on an existing handgun and use it in IPSC 3-gun competition.
Our video about this (and the FAB Defence set) device:
http://www.fegyvervideo.hu/articles.php?article_id=923
0 0And the majority said the Hi-point was ugly.Tactical weapons are not made to have fine lines and beauty.Their made for functionality,and ergonomics!!!If you want pretty and shiny tactical is not the weapon for you!Their not made for runways!!
0 0Oops…you lost me at “paperwork with BATFE”. Cool product though, and good luck.
0 0just get a kel tec sub 2000 it will do all that this will no stamp nessaseary and it will use your pistol mags and is only 300 dollars
0 0This is similar to the KPOS but without the folding stock!
0 0EMA is not “making” it an SBR. The Roni is no different in a way from the bolt-on stocks that you can get your your H&K handguns etc. Most foreign markets (including gun problematic Europe) allow stocked handguns without any tax stamps etc like we have to deal with here.
The reason they don’t make one with a carbine length barrel is because (as implied by the stocked handgun comment above) is because it does not replace the slide/barrel. Hera makes a version for the Glock that does replace the slide, but the beauty of the RONI system, and competitive systems like it, is that is requires no modification of the handgun and thus a police officer could go from a holster carry side arm to a 3 points of contact shoulder aimed platform in seconds.
Having 3 points of contact drastically increases accuracy for most shooters, although you are still limited to the capabilities of the handgun. The larger opening on the front allows for a suppressor to be used with the system.
It has also been argued (and I tend to agree) that the display of a shoulder mounted weapon has a greater perceived threat value compared to a handgun, which may result in a perpetrator surrendering more easily.
I’m personally still holding out hope for a Walther P99 version.
Okki
0 0Ok. i didn’t realize it wasn’t a “slide/barrel” replacement like some of the pistol-to-rifle type kits. Adding to the fact i didn’t realize the euro laws allowed for stocked pistols. that makes more sense now. that’s when it said carbine i was like what? so that’s why I was thinking that why would one go through the SBR tax stamp process when there are cheaper alternatives. now, for a LEO or the like, i can see some of the uses, but not for an average guy like me.
0 0Yeah I don’t see the point of this for a Px4 when there is already the Cx4. I also don’t really understand why you can’t have a SBR without doing the BATFE paperwork.
0 0And before anyone calls me out on it, I accidentally added an “s” to the end of know…
0 0i find it interesting that they are making it a SBR, thus increasing the paperwork and price of the kit. if i wanted a cheap pistol rifle, why not get a hi-point? maybe it’s too early for me to think aout this clearly.
0 0They better come out with these quick – the zombies have nearly reached the Mall!!1!!11!
Instead of buying a PX4, a carbine conversion kit and a Tax Stamp, you could go out and just buy a CX4 Storm (or better yet, a real rifle) – but that would be too easy.
0 0Will they have a true carbine version any time soon? I think I’d prefer one with that barrel length, and to not mess with the BATFE.
0 0The reason it is an SBR is that the gun just pops into the “stock.” It does not replace the slide. To have a longer barrel would be to render the gun single shot.
0 0X2, Gunslinger. I already have an old bird gun cut down to 18″ bbl with shortened stock for local ‘pest control’.
0 0I shot the Glock RONI during Media Day at SHOT last January and was reasonably impressed it. Build quality seemed good and I had no problem rapidly acquiring and hitting steel at 50 yards. I have to agree though that it is somewhat expensive and I think the need for a $200 tax stamp pretty much eliminates the civilian market since you can buy a good quality subcaliber carbine in that range.
Even though it’s kinda cool, it does seem like a solution in search of a problem. Personally I’d opt for a subcaliber AR upper (and maybe even spend the $200 getting it SBRed) over the RONI for the obvious reasons of ergonomics and familiarity with controls.
0 0Personally, I don’t see the appeal of adding extra length to a handgun with no performance benefit other than making it easier to fire accurately.
Surely the kit should include a longer barrel and have the pistol mounted further back to give a bullpup style weapon that will at least benefit from higher muzzle velocity from a given round, that will give a flatter trajectory and make it even easier to shoot accurately at longer distances.
Also, why not add a functional muzzle compensator as opposed to a fancy bit of sci-fi style plastic dressing?
0 0I wonder when someone will make one for the M&P? Will the XD kit fit the XD(m)?
0 0My Ruger PC9 is making more sense all the time…
0 0@gunslinger, @dom
How bout something like this?
http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.html
Or this?
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=588350&filter=588350&catid=0
0 0That thing looks like a half retarded thirteen year old designed it. I knows it’s personal opinion, but why would anyone want that?
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Oops…you lost me at “paperwork with BATFE”. Cool product though, and good luck.
And the majority said the Hi-point was ugly.Tactical weapons are not made to have fine lines and beauty.Their made for functionality,and ergonomics!!!If you want pretty and shiny tactical is not the weapon for you!Their not made for runways!!
just get a kel tec sub 2000 it will do all that this will no stamp nessaseary and it will use your pistol mags and is only 300 dollars
surprised nobody’s mentioned this kit http://www.hera-arms.com/cpe.php
This is similar to the KPOS but without the folding stock!
The rationale behind it is for those countries where you need a new and hard-to-get licence for a semiauto carbine, but you already have a handgun. Two-in-one.
In my country it is not a new gun, just an accessory without any licence. It is 100% legal to take on an existing handgun and use it in IPSC 3-gun competition.
Our video about this (and the FAB Defence set) device:
http://www.fegyvervideo.hu/articles.php?article_id=923
Ok. i didn’t realize it wasn’t a “slide/barrel” replacement like some of the pistol-to-rifle type kits. Adding to the fact i didn’t realize the euro laws allowed for stocked pistols. that makes more sense now. that’s when it said carbine i was like what? so that’s why I was thinking that why would one go through the SBR tax stamp process when there are cheaper alternatives. now, for a LEO or the like, i can see some of the uses, but not for an average guy like me.
Because Hi-Point carbine does not come with a short barrel.
I’ve thinking about making one of my 1911 into SBR just to have. I budget at least $200 (tax stamp) every year so I can turn one of my firearms into SBR or purchase an NFA item.
Dom,
If your state allows NFA I suggest you get on board. If you have $200 and 1 hour of free time you should make one of your firearm into SBR. It isn’t hard to do, just a long wait process.
I think the $200 tax stamp is unconstitutional and should be challenge in courts.
very limited applications
even for (para)military
too heavy , same ballistics with the pistol
I would go with an upper portion replacing existing barrel-slide , with barrel 6-7″ , and foldable stock , semi/full auto . With total weight less than 4,0lbs , creating a pdw-smg out of a pistol , and aiming to the military/paramilitary market ,
.
Does anyone make a 16″ barrel for any of these pistols? Or even a 14.5″ with a permanently attached flash hider?
It seems that if you could find a pistol barrel that long TC vs US would apply and you could swap back and forth.
Not worth the $200 SBR tax.
Trying to see the point to these. I suppose they would make for a good, cheap alternative to a carbine/smg/pdw/etc, particularly if a department already has a plentiful supply of Glocks or other compatible pistols.
EMA is not “making” it an SBR. The Roni is no different in a way from the bolt-on stocks that you can get your your H&K handguns etc. Most foreign markets (including gun problematic Europe) allow stocked handguns without any tax stamps etc like we have to deal with here.
The reason they don’t make one with a carbine length barrel is because (as implied by the stocked handgun comment above) is because it does not replace the slide/barrel. Hera makes a version for the Glock that does replace the slide, but the beauty of the RONI system, and competitive systems like it, is that is requires no modification of the handgun and thus a police officer could go from a holster carry side arm to a 3 points of contact shoulder aimed platform in seconds.
Having 3 points of contact drastically increases accuracy for most shooters, although you are still limited to the capabilities of the handgun. The larger opening on the front allows for a suppressor to be used with the system.
It has also been argued (and I tend to agree) that the display of a shoulder mounted weapon has a greater perceived threat value compared to a handgun, which may result in a perpetrator surrendering more easily.
I’m personally still holding out hope for a Walther P99 version.
Okki
I wonder when someone will make one for the M&P? Will the XD kit fit the XD(m)?
Yeah I don’t see the point of this for a Px4 when there is already the Cx4. I also don’t really understand why you can’t have a SBR without doing the BATFE paperwork.
@gunslinger, @dom
How bout something like this?
http://www.mechtechsys.com/1911.html
Or this?
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=588350&filter=588350&catid=0
I shot the Glock RONI during Media Day at SHOT last January and was reasonably impressed it. Build quality seemed good and I had no problem rapidly acquiring and hitting steel at 50 yards. I have to agree though that it is somewhat expensive and I think the need for a $200 tax stamp pretty much eliminates the civilian market since you can buy a good quality subcaliber carbine in that range.
Even though it’s kinda cool, it does seem like a solution in search of a problem. Personally I’d opt for a subcaliber AR upper (and maybe even spend the $200 getting it SBRed) over the RONI for the obvious reasons of ergonomics and familiarity with controls.
Personally, I don’t see the appeal of adding extra length to a handgun with no performance benefit other than making it easier to fire accurately.
Surely the kit should include a longer barrel and have the pistol mounted further back to give a bullpup style weapon that will at least benefit from higher muzzle velocity from a given round, that will give a flatter trajectory and make it even easier to shoot accurately at longer distances.
Also, why not add a functional muzzle compensator as opposed to a fancy bit of sci-fi style plastic dressing?
My Ruger PC9 is making more sense all the time…
X2, Gunslinger. I already have an old bird gun cut down to 18″ bbl with shortened stock for local ‘pest control’.
The reason it is an SBR is that the gun just pops into the “stock.” It does not replace the slide. To have a longer barrel would be to render the gun single shot.
I HOPE THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE ONE FOR THE S&W SIGMA 9MM .
And before anyone calls me out on it, I accidentally added an “s” to the end of know…
That thing looks like a half retarded thirteen year old designed it. I knows it’s personal opinion, but why would anyone want that?
i find it interesting that they are making it a SBR, thus increasing the paperwork and price of the kit. if i wanted a cheap pistol rifle, why not get a hi-point? maybe it’s too early for me to think aout this clearly.
They better come out with these quick – the zombies have nearly reached the Mall!!1!!11!
Instead of buying a PX4, a carbine conversion kit and a Tax Stamp, you could go out and just buy a CX4 Storm (or better yet, a real rifle) – but that would be too easy.
Will they have a true carbine version any time soon? I think I’d prefer one with that barrel length, and to not mess with the BATFE.
thats cool. now to acquire a XD..
I can see this kind of gun used in a space/sci-fi show,much like the Beretta CX4 Storm was used on Battlestar Galactica