S&W Wins ATF contract


It appears that S&W’s pistol in the BATFE sidebar competition beat out the Glock and Sig entries. The contract is worth up to $40 million. I am not sure which S&W model, almost certainly an M&P, was the winner.

UPDATE: Glock also won! Glock also gets up to $40 million. ToddG blogged about it here.

[ Many thanks to Ty for emailing me the link. ]



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  • SpudGun

    Remember when S&W executives got busted at the SHOT Show attempting to bribe foreign governments for exclusive contracts? Not saying there is any correllation between that event and this new contract with the ATF, but, you know, hmmm.

    As long as the Director of the ATF doesn’t show up for work in a new Ferrari, a la Richard Pryor in Superman III, then we’ll know it’s a legit deal.

  • Calimero

    Actually both Glock and S&W have been awarded contracts, as ToddG announced it on his blog.

    Here’s the award notice for Glock

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=bd51b091482215c94c1c9c89b799f26f&tab=core&_cview=0

  • Peter

    Looks like both S&W and Glock won:
    http://pistol-training.com/archives/3583
    (see comments for links to awards).

    • Guys, thanks for the correction

  • Wait a second, didn’t they have a bunch of execs arrested at the SHOT show? Were they cleared? How does that not bar them from this sort of thing…

  • Big Daddy

    This is a bit confusing, how could both win? That means you have 2 pistols that need to be serviced and supported with replacement parts and training.

    Why?

    Doesn’t this really increase the overall price by having both? I’m all in favor of overlapping weapons by any military or para military organization, one weapon does not fit all needs. But having two weapons that are the same seems on the borderline of moronic.

    Unless one is a different caliber, like the Glock being .40 and the S&W 9mm. Thus giving a choice to each operator, that’s understandable.

    Your tax player dollars at work here…….amazing. I’d like to follow the paper trail and see who is getting the bigger kickback…..like having 2 engines for the F-35…..idiotic.

    • Big, I guess so that Agents have a choice. I think it makes sense. One size does not fit all.

  • Lance

    Thats good the M&P is better than most Glocks the main reason both won is polymer framed pistols are so much cheaper than metal framed ones. But the M&P is more durable than a Glock. Im also amused that ATF is buying all new pistol almost simultaneously. What sidearm where they using previously before the G-22 and M&P-.40 beat them out. I guess must have been a SIG or H&K USP pistol Hope Steve looks into this more very interesting.

  • jdun1911

    The lack of QC of Sig pistol is well known for few years now. The Sig 250 which the ATF wanted have been nothing but a disappointment. I believe the Hong Kong police is the only agency in the world that use the Sig 250. You have to feel sorry for the HK police officers.

    The S&W MP pistol is a very good design. So is Glock.

    Both are big winners because other US federal agencies can leech onto the ATF contract. So for S&W and Glock the contact will probably be substantially more than 40 millions.

    I think this is the beginning of the end of Sig dominance in Federal agencies. It’s now between Glock and S&W. Glock of course already own the local LEA market, so it will be interesting to see what happen in the future.

  • jdun1911

    I don’t think the agents have a choice. I think this allow other agencies in the Federal Government to decide if they want Glock or S&W.

  • Jeff Dowder

    It seems that Glock and S&W are not so much the winners. Rather, SIG is the loser!

    The P250 needs to go the way of the S&W Sigma if SIG wants to survive in the U.S. contract pistol market in the long term.

  • subase

    I think this pretty much spells the death of the ‘double action/single action’ trigger in professional circles. A relic of the 1911 pistol.

    Even the Sig’s for Homeland Security and other departments are being outfitted with the LDA/DAO trigger which effectively makes them Glock like in trigger feel. Thus eliminating most of the point of having a double action/single action trigger design in the pistol anyway.

  • Lance

    The choice of which pistol to use IS NOT up to the indivual agent but the local high autority in the are of operations the ATF unit is operating in. Like a unit or angency in Seattle may get S&W and he NY unit will get Glocks. its not usally to indiviual officers but the local high ranker. Thats the feds for you

  • 40 million (SW) + 40 million USD (Glock) = 80.000.000 USD

    average price is cca. 400 USD/gun (check the recent FBI-Glock contract 320 USD/gun)

    It means that 80 million USD is 200.000 pistols. Who the heck need such quantity???

    Or what?

  • subase

    Homeland Security baby. How else are they going to shoot themselves in the foot?

  • Lance

    @subase

    I dont think so the Beretta 92 and the H&K USP are stil extensively used by Police and the Coast Guard uses SA/DA SIGs and the Military uese the M-9 so I just think there more choice in what a angency or services uses. SA/DA isnt going anywhere.

  • jdun1911

    1911 are single action.

  • jdun1911

    Navy Seal use sig. CZ75B is the most cloned handgun in the world and that is a DA/SA.

  • Mike

    The feds are locking in the price on up to that many pistols for up to ten years for any federal agency. They may not actually buy that many.

    There are about 85,000 armed federal agents. With one full size and one back up compact each, that’s 170,000 pistols, possibly.

    This is for .40 caliber. If an agency wants a 9/357/45, they are going to have to make their own deal. Kinda like the messed up deal the FAMs made w SIG for P250s that they bought, then recalled from service, and are not using. What a mess.