The Real Firearm in India

tmp_indian_industry-tm-tfb

Last year I wrote about the poor state of the Indian firearm industry. A government monopoly on manufacture, restrictions on imports and reluctance to issue firearm licenses has resulted in a declining industry.

What I did not know is that while the state factories are churning out poor quality guns, private companies are producing high quality firearms parts for export. One example is INDO-MIM who produce metal injection molded parts. They currently, or have in the past, produced firearm parts for IWI, Sarsilarz, SIG and Meprolight.

INDO-MIM made parts

If only these companies could produce their own firearms so that Indians would not be forced to purchase exorbitantly priced copies of old designs.

Indian government manufactured “Revolver 32″. It costs about US$1366 (excluding taxes).

Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


Advertisement

  • Vitor

    A .32 revolver costing 1300 dollars? :|

    The sad thing that the brazilian industry is in a very simular situation. The brazilian federal police struggled to be allowed to buy the G36, because the Army was demanding some “national equivalent”.

  • WJS

    Good Lord.. over $1300 for a crappy-looking Webley replica.. I pity the Indians. They definitely need better production quality and capacity!

  • Underwhelmed

    The Indian firearm laws were put in place by the British Colonial powers. And those have been faithfully continued by the Indian government post 1947. Tells you something.

  • Jim

    At $1366 ONLY the criminals will be able to afford it. Great!

  • BTR

    Give lie to the idea that socialism, by eliminating evil, evil profits, will decrease prices.

  • http://www.nitroexpress.com Mehul Kamdar

    Steve,

    Do you know whether this company has made parts for firearms sold by all of the listed companies to the Indian forces or whether they have actually exported them?

    +1 to everyone who is shocked by the prices thanks to the ban on imports by the Socialists in Delhi. FYI a pre 1984 S&W 357 Magnum revolver (gun imports were banned except for participation in ISSF competition in 1984) sells for over $ 10,000. So the price for IOF junk at $ 1300 plus for a .32 revolver, is actually a bargain.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      Mehul, I am not sure. From an email conversation I had, I gather that the parts were for export. I don’t think they are trying to get into the local market which is, as you know, controlled by government owned monopolies.

  • Dave

    At least now where we know where some of those those MIM parts are coming from. The real question is whether those are so much better than that 19th century Webley clone.

  • subase

    Guess this makes the movie Slum Dog millionaire even more of a joke. No kid would have access to a Colt 45 as it would cost at the very least $15 000 us.

    As for the quality of Indian firearms. From what I heard they are atrocious. People would probably sell their grandma to get their hands on a High Point let alone a Glock or Smith and Wesson.

    I read that the special number of cops which almost have licenses to kill, carried whatever they wanted. The one with the highest kills (140ish), carried a Smith and Wesson snub nose revolver in 38 special.

    No wonder in Mumbai, a few trained terrorists with AK’s were practically gods.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

      subase, were they using 1911s in the film? I have not seen it.

      • Duray

        He didn’t say 1911; he said “Colt .45″ which would be a Single Action Army, eh? : )

  • overunderpump

    The 1911’s being used in the movies in Bollywood are mostly replica PFC’s or Blank Firing Guns.

    As far as illegal gun ownership goes, .45’s(1911), Glocks etc are rampant among bad guys, who dont give two hoots about the law. That pretty much leaves the law abiding at the mercy of the outlaws.

  • Andy

    Strangely, I find the concept of a Webley replica (but, well done and in a common caliber) strangely appealing.

  • Tom Handsen

    Surely SIg wouldn’t buy MIM parts from Injua? Noooooooooooooooooo!
    Say it ain’t true guys and guy-gals!

  • Raj

    What about the INSAS? Indian Small Arms System?

    Major success there. All Indian.

    And about Slumdog- The 1911, easily accessible. In real life, probably not. For a movie- PFC. Plug Firing Cartridges.

    Honestly, there is not much of a market for shooters in India. Those that are interested enough, use either air rifles, and if they have money, work around the system.

    Competition shooting is becoming increasingly popular as we saw in Beijing when India went gold. My dad had an air rifle range built into his school, and that was more than enough for them.

  • jamie

    $700 is the median yearly income in india. I have read other articles about guns in india, and this is the only new gun you can buy, and it is state made.

    $1300 is two years wages BEFORE taxes.

    To translate that into the american economy and our median wages, this gun is like us having no choice but to pay $100,000 for a gun. Thats your only choice, and thats money you have to earn after taxes. So figure more like 4 years of your life would go to buy such a POS.

    It is not unrealistic that folks would have to scrimp and save for 10 years to buy one, as one has other day to day costs to keep up with.

    This is why gun control, market controls, and socialism will be the undoing of man, and the free world.

  • http://www.nitroexpress.com Mehul Kamdar

    Steve,

    IWI and SIG both sell firearms to the Indian government, some locally made and some exported to India from Israel / Germany as the case may be. That is why I am curious about where these components are being sold. I don’t think that either IWI or SIG would want to outsource components to an uknown considering their own very high reputations and it does appear to me as if these are being sold to India where some of their models are in use for local consumption. I would seriously doubt that any of these components are imported into Israel or Germany.

    Raj,

    The INSAS a “major success?” and, “All Indian?” Have you EVER looked at a Galil or the South African R-4? The INSAS is little more than a pathetic rip-off of those. And it performs worse than either, a statement on the poor quality of any firearm coming out of India.