Jim Shepherd reports ...
Recent moves to consolidate manufacturing and production processes include the Marlin impending relocation from its long-time home for a yet-undecided Remington location and the imminent closure and disposal of Bushmaster's Arizona manufacturing facilities.
I said as much last month before withdrawing my statement. In retrospect I should not have withdrawn the statement, I confused the one factory for the other.
Wow, talk about shi**y timing. Just when Arizona passed a law exempting firearms made in Arizona and staying in Arizona from BATF regulation. 
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0@Jim the recession actually began long before even Clinton. It simply peaked under Bush’s administration, but he didn’t help it very much either. But other then that lets try to keep this unpolitical, I agree that the ridiculous price of the ACR might be contributing.
0 0So, if what this factory produces isn’t profitable/sustainable, the closure is welcomed. Wasting resources into stuff that nobody wants doesn’t help an economy.
0 0I keep reading that the Carbon-15 line was/is junk, but I can’t help but want a R97F. The R97F is 4.5 pounds unloaded, and the R21 was 4.1 pounds unloaded. I know they’ve had some issues with durability, but I think they would be neat to have and shoot a little. I’ve searched GunBroker frequently for about 2 years, and I’ve only found one R97F and a few R97S (fixed stock). I’ve also though about buying the 9mm handgun and using the upper on a SBR.
As an interesting note, the full product number for the R97F is AZ-C15R97F.
R97F: http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ-C15R97F.asp
9mm P21s: http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ9-C15P21S.asp
0 0“juandos, im reasonably sure that the president was referring to the practice of selling the military 500$ pens and 3000$ waste bins“…
Long on whine short on credible substance rubbershotgun…
Are you from the same planet Jim is from?
0 0@Burst Haha I assume you’re talking about the F-22? Great plane, way too much money, and of course now they’re dumping it for JSF.
Oh well I’m sure another FA manufacturer will buy it and retool for some nice weapons.. Hopefully some LWRCi’s or HK MR556′s since everyone’s stash is going to buy something other than the Atrocious Costing Rifle. Mine went for the LWRCi M6A3.
0 0Firearms sales going down Obama disbanding most of our military arsinal. Lucking in 2 more years we can even make guns here.
0 0Jim,the partisan drivel is coming from you. Democrats have controlled congress since 2006. What led to the financial meltdown was the Democratic push started in the Clinton administration to expand home ownership by mandating loosing lender criteria through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to borrowers that previously would not have qualified for a home loan. In 2007 Mccain actually argued for increased regulation of these two Quasi government agencies but it was defeated by Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Bush was not perfect, but neither are the Democrats. They pretend not to have ownership the meltdown but the fact is they do. Blame goes to both sides of the isle.
0 0I don’t know about the reliabilty of the c15′s,I havent got a chance to shoot mine yet. Brand new,took the barrel off to install ff rail,stripped the threads on the barrel receiver.Unbelievable..the threads are made of the same plastic as the upper.Aluminum barrel nut vs. plastic threads..never understood this idea,even on water hoses:(.Oh well,new Spikes upper on the way.
0 0I worked at the Lake Havasu City plant. We made the carbon models here, as well as magpul and 50 cal parts. Last year there was more work than anyone knew what to do with, after a few months a lay off, another two months more layoffs, and now it’s closed.
0 0The problem with your numbers, Juandos, is that you seem to be under the false belief that Obama was responsible for the fiscal situation he inherited in 2009.
Here are some numbers that actually reflect the situation as it is, rather than the partisan drivel you can expect from Heritage.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/11/19/dont-blame-obama-for-bushs-2009-deficit/
0 0“No, Juandos, it probably has more to do with the recession started under the Bush administration that nearly sunk our economy“…
ROFLMAO!
Hey Jim is the sky blue on your planet when the sun shines?
Try getting a grip on reality…
0 0…Not to mention $360 million fighter jets.
More reasonably, I think this may be an attempt by Cerberus to cut costs.
And lets be honest, the Carbon-15s haven’t exactly been breakout sellers.
0 0Hmmm… The Outdoor Wire link doesn’t show anything about Bushmaster. If the article existed, it’s been pulled.
0 0Dave, it does, I just checked.
0 0Maybe it’s not politically driven and instead due to the ridiculous high prices they put on the ACR… If they drop the price about $1k they might be able to keep the plant open!
0 0as far as i know they made the carbon 15 there.
0 0I live in Arizona.. and never knew Bushmaster had a Arizona manufacturing facility.. What did they make here, any one know ?
0 0Gun industry is so big in America.before, I only knew Bushmaster is in Maine. i’m wondering if any state doesn’t have gun or gun parts manufacturing facilities?
0 0No, Juandos, it probably has more to do with the recession started under the Bush administration that nearly sunk our economy.
0 0Have some google results.
1. The AZ location: 1070 METRIC DR, LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ
2. From Wikipedia of all things under Bushmaster Firearms International:
Carbon 15
The Carbon 15 series of firearms use carbon fiber composite receivers and selective external parts. This allows for a reduction of weight, and a claimed increase in the strength of the firearm. The design and facilities to produce the Carbon 15 firearms was purchased from the now defunct Professional Ordnance, of Lake Havasu, Arizona.
3. From smallarmsreview pdf dated Jan 2006
In 2002, Bushmaster established their Western Division in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. This division of Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. is dedicated to manufacturing a Carbon Fiber series of the AR-15 and M16 type firearms. This Western division now has over 25 full time employees and occupies 12,000 square feet to house their state of the art injection molding and CNC equipment.
0 0juandos, im reasonably sure that the president was referring to the practice of selling the military 500$ pens and 3000$ waste bins.
0 0I don’t know how I should feel about executives keeping their jobs while other workers are laid out.
0 0Their carbon fiber facilities were in Arizona, after they bought Professional Ordnance. The Carbon-15 pistol and carbine were products of this bought-out company. The Freedom Group must have other ideas.
I hope the Cobb facilities in Georgia aren’t next…
Best,
JBR
0 0Hmmm, I can’t help but wonder if Obama’s long time animous towards all things military is part of the reason driving these consolidation and shut down moves…
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Jim,the partisan drivel is coming from you. Democrats have controlled congress since 2006. What led to the financial meltdown was the Democratic push started in the Clinton administration to expand home ownership by mandating loosing lender criteria through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to borrowers that previously would not have qualified for a home loan. In 2007 Mccain actually argued for increased regulation of these two Quasi government agencies but it was defeated by Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Bush was not perfect, but neither are the Democrats. They pretend not to have ownership the meltdown but the fact is they do. Blame goes to both sides of the isle.
I don’t know about the reliabilty of the c15′s,I havent got a chance to shoot mine yet. Brand new,took the barrel off to install ff rail,stripped the threads on the barrel receiver.Unbelievable..the threads are made of the same plastic as the upper.Aluminum barrel nut vs. plastic threads..never understood this idea,even on water hoses:(.Oh well,new Spikes upper on the way.
I worked at the Lake Havasu City plant. We made the carbon models here, as well as magpul and 50 cal parts. Last year there was more work than anyone knew what to do with, after a few months a lay off, another two months more layoffs, and now it’s closed.
The problem with your numbers, Juandos, is that you seem to be under the false belief that Obama was responsible for the fiscal situation he inherited in 2009.
Here are some numbers that actually reflect the situation as it is, rather than the partisan drivel you can expect from Heritage.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/11/19/dont-blame-obama-for-bushs-2009-deficit/
Firearms sales going down Obama disbanding most of our military arsinal. Lucking in 2 more years we can even make guns here.
@Burst Haha I assume you’re talking about the F-22? Great plane, way too much money, and of course now they’re dumping it for JSF.
Oh well I’m sure another FA manufacturer will buy it and retool for some nice weapons.. Hopefully some LWRCi’s or HK MR556′s since everyone’s stash is going to buy something other than the Atrocious Costing Rifle. Mine went for the LWRCi M6A3.
@Jim the recession actually began long before even Clinton. It simply peaked under Bush’s administration, but he didn’t help it very much either. But other then that lets try to keep this unpolitical, I agree that the ridiculous price of the ACR might be contributing.
Wow, talk about shi**y timing. Just when Arizona passed a law exempting firearms made in Arizona and staying in Arizona from BATF regulation.
So, if what this factory produces isn’t profitable/sustainable, the closure is welcomed. Wasting resources into stuff that nobody wants doesn’t help an economy.
I keep reading that the Carbon-15 line was/is junk, but I can’t help but want a R97F. The R97F is 4.5 pounds unloaded, and the R21 was 4.1 pounds unloaded. I know they’ve had some issues with durability, but I think they would be neat to have and shoot a little. I’ve searched GunBroker frequently for about 2 years, and I’ve only found one R97F and a few R97S (fixed stock). I’ve also though about buying the 9mm handgun and using the upper on a SBR.
As an interesting note, the full product number for the R97F is AZ-C15R97F.
R97F: http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ-C15R97F.asp
9mm P21s: http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ9-C15P21S.asp
“juandos, im reasonably sure that the president was referring to the practice of selling the military 500$ pens and 3000$ waste bins“…
Long on whine short on credible substance rubbershotgun…
Are you from the same planet Jim is from?
“No, Juandos, it probably has more to do with the recession started under the Bush administration that nearly sunk our economy“…
ROFLMAO!
Hey Jim is the sky blue on your planet when the sun shines?
Try getting a grip on reality…
…Not to mention $360 million fighter jets.
More reasonably, I think this may be an attempt by Cerberus to cut costs.
And lets be honest, the Carbon-15s haven’t exactly been breakout sellers.
juandos, im reasonably sure that the president was referring to the practice of selling the military 500$ pens and 3000$ waste bins.
I don’t know how I should feel about executives keeping their jobs while other workers are laid out.
Their carbon fiber facilities were in Arizona, after they bought Professional Ordnance. The Carbon-15 pistol and carbine were products of this bought-out company. The Freedom Group must have other ideas.
I hope the Cobb facilities in Georgia aren’t next…
Best,
JBR
Have some google results.
1. The AZ location: 1070 METRIC DR, LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1070+METRIC+DR,+LAKE+HAVASU+CITY,+AZ,+864031904+US+&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1070+Metric+Dr,+Lake+Havasu+City,+Mohave,+Arizona+86403&ll=34.50684,-114.344673&spn=0.002825,0.004715&t=h&z=18
2. From Wikipedia of all things under Bushmaster Firearms International:
Carbon 15
The Carbon 15 series of firearms use carbon fiber composite receivers and selective external parts. This allows for a reduction of weight, and a claimed increase in the strength of the firearm. The design and facilities to produce the Carbon 15 firearms was purchased from the now defunct Professional Ordnance, of Lake Havasu, Arizona.
3. From smallarmsreview pdf dated Jan 2006
In 2002, Bushmaster established their Western Division in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. This division of Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. is dedicated to manufacturing a Carbon Fiber series of the AR-15 and M16 type firearms. This Western division now has over 25 full time employees and occupies 12,000 square feet to house their state of the art injection molding and CNC equipment.
No, Juandos, it probably has more to do with the recession started under the Bush administration that nearly sunk our economy.
Maybe it’s not politically driven and instead due to the ridiculous high prices they put on the ACR… If they drop the price about $1k they might be able to keep the plant open!
Hmmm… The Outdoor Wire link doesn’t show anything about Bushmaster. If the article existed, it’s been pulled.
Dave, it does, I just checked.
as far as i know they made the carbon 15 there.
I live in Arizona.. and never knew Bushmaster had a Arizona manufacturing facility.. What did they make here, any one know ?
Gun industry is so big in America.before, I only knew Bushmaster is in Maine. i’m wondering if any state doesn’t have gun or gun parts manufacturing facilities?
Hmmm, I can’t help but wonder if Obama’s long time animous towards all things military is part of the reason driving these consolidation and shut down moves…