Comments on: DS Arms B&T TP9 Pistol http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:12:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-37947 Michael Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:39:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-37947 "Jason In Iowa" said what I think every time I see one of these big semi auto-only pistols. As submachine guns, their larger size is justified, but I don't see any point in having one of these or a semi-auto MAC or semi-auto Uzi other than the fact that it looks cool and any of your friends who aren't gun experts will assume it's full auto until you tell them otherwise. If I had to defend myself with a semi-auto 9mm, I'd take a Glock 17 with a 33-round mag instead of this one. As for the full auto TMP, I think it looks awesome with the angled foregrip and I also love the shape of the pistol grip. “Jason In Iowa” said what I think every time I see one of these big semi auto-only pistols. As submachine guns, their larger size is justified, but I don’t see any point in having one of these or a semi-auto MAC or semi-auto Uzi other than the fact that it looks cool and any of your friends who aren’t gun experts will assume it’s full auto until you tell them otherwise. If I had to defend myself with a semi-auto 9mm, I’d take a Glock 17 with a 33-round mag instead of this one. As for the full auto TMP, I think it looks awesome with the angled foregrip and I also love the shape of the pistol grip.

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]]> By: Andy in Connecticut http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-24396 Andy in Connecticut Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:17:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-24396 It actually looks carryable. The pics of them by themselves impart a sense of largeness. But seeing it on someone's hip... I'm impressed. And it's very strange. The fact that I can't get one in FA doesn't overwhelm me with suck. I'd absolutely consider one but I would have to shoot it first. It actually looks carryable. The pics of them by themselves impart a sense of largeness. But seeing it on someone’s hip… I’m impressed.

And it’s very strange. The fact that I can’t get one in FA doesn’t overwhelm me with suck.

I’d absolutely consider one but I would have to shoot it first.

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]]> By: Jason in Iowa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22486 Jason in Iowa Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:22:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22486 Yes, BUT... (cue music) anything it can do, my Glock 17 can do better, me and my Glock can shoot better than you... Mind you, I prefer my old S&W wheelguns, but I'm just sayin'... Yes, BUT… (cue music) anything it can do, my Glock 17 can do better, me and my Glock can shoot better than you…
Mind you, I prefer my old S&W wheelguns, but I’m just sayin’…

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]]> By: Cymond http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22483 Cymond Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:16:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22483 Most of these overly-large handguns have their roots in some kind of submachinegun, like my previous examples of the Uzi and MAC pistols. I find it interesting that the TP-9 pistol retains the cut out in the receiver to accept a stock. I once saw a TP-9 on gunbroker that was registered as a SBR and had the folding stock attached. I'm not really sure how one would handle the NFA-required engraving on one of these. Of course, registering it as a SBR would also allow you to add a vertical foregrip. For that matter, the Brugger-Thomet bought the TMP design from Steyr and modified it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_TMP. Currently, there is a Post-May Dealer Sample TMP on gunbroker. Most of these overly-large handguns have their roots in some kind of submachinegun, like my previous examples of the Uzi and MAC pistols. I find it interesting that the TP-9 pistol retains the cut out in the receiver to accept a stock. I once saw a TP-9 on gunbroker that was registered as a SBR and had the folding stock attached. I’m not really sure how one would handle the NFA-required engraving on one of these. Of course, registering it as a SBR would also allow you to add a vertical foregrip.

For that matter, the Brugger-Thomet bought the TMP design from Steyr and modified it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_TMP. Currently, there is a Post-May Dealer Sample TMP on gunbroker.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22468 Steve Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:57:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22468 Cymond, thats awesome! Cymond, thats awesome!

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]]> By: Cymond http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22465 Cymond Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:00:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22465 B&T does make a model with a 'fun switch', vertical foregrip, and folding stock. We just can't have them in the US. http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/en/manufacturing/firearms/mp9.php?navanchor=2110013 The price for a semi-auto pistol version is about $1100. It's high but not unreachable. That's about 1.5x-2x the cost of a common handgun, but compare it to something similar in size/style. A MAC pistol is about $500, and Uzi pistols start at $1100. The MAC design is of debatable quality (it has some die-hard fans), and the Uzi pistol isn't currently imported. I don't know if it has any practical use, but I'd love to play with it! B&T does make a model with a ‘fun switch’, vertical foregrip, and folding stock. We just can’t have them in the US. http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/en/manufacturing/firearms/mp9.php?navanchor=2110013

The price for a semi-auto pistol version is about $1100. It’s high but not unreachable. That’s about 1.5x-2x the cost of a common handgun, but compare it to something similar in size/style. A MAC pistol is about $500, and Uzi pistols start at $1100. The MAC design is of debatable quality (it has some die-hard fans), and the Uzi pistol isn’t currently imported.

I don’t know if it has any practical use, but I’d love to play with it!

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22434 Steve Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:32:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22434 Tahoe, you lucky guy! Interesting comment, thanks. Tahoe, you lucky guy! Interesting comment, thanks.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22432 jdun1911 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:17:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22432 I wouldn't mind getting a TP9 if the price was lower. At the current price point I doubt they will sell that many. I wouldn’t mind getting a TP9 if the price was lower. At the current price point I doubt they will sell that many.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22412 Carl Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:40:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22412 I really like the original SMG version of this. Although I haven't seen it in person, the rotating barrel delay system seems interesting. It's a shame our governments generally deny us the right to own the full auto version. I really like the original SMG version of this. Although I haven’t seen it in person, the rotating barrel delay system seems interesting.

It’s a shame our governments generally deny us the right to own the full auto version.

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]]> By: Tahoe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22397 Tahoe Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:49:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22397 Having shot one with "rock-n-roll switch and foregrip", I wasn't terribly impressed with it. Granted, it was the smallest full-auto weapon I'd ever handled, but it just wasn't a natural shooter. It would definitely take some time to get used to. The charging handle seemed difficult enough to manipulate that in an emergency it could be a problem. Having shot one with “rock-n-roll switch and foregrip”, I wasn’t terribly impressed with it. Granted, it was the smallest full-auto weapon I’d ever handled, but it just wasn’t a natural shooter. It would definitely take some time to get used to. The charging handle seemed difficult enough to manipulate that in an emergency it could be a problem.

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]]> By: Laurent http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22380 Laurent Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:22:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22380 Just tried it this saturday. Very fun gun. I found the trigger excellent, light and very direct on the TP-9 I tried. One thing I didn't like was the little slaps the shoulder stock give with recoil. It was very light, but it was also -10° C (14° F) and my cheek was very sensitive. Just tried it this saturday. Very fun gun. I found the trigger excellent, light and very direct on the TP-9 I tried. One thing I didn’t like was the little slaps the shoulder stock give with recoil. It was very light, but it was also -10° C (14° F) and my cheek was very sensitive.

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]]> By: primo capo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/23/ds-arms-bt-tp9-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-22378 primo capo Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:05:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=10130#comment-22378 nice ! very nice! in italy is impossible to buy a firearm of this kind... the politics believe that be a klindom blaster... very very bad! nice ! very nice!
in italy is impossible to buy a firearm of this kind…
the politics believe that be a klindom blaster… very very bad!

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