Comments on: H&K / Umarex MP5 A5 and MP5SD .22 Tactical Rimfire http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: frank r http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-70593 frank r Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:07:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-70593 Just curious as to how powerful the mp5 a5 is, muzzle velocity etc. (i know its only a .22) Just curious as to how powerful the mp5 a5 is, muzzle velocity etc. (i know its only a .22)

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]]> By: Cougar http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-68890 Cougar Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:07:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-68890 I have a GSG-5 and two GSG-5SD's. Have fired the 5 with no feeding or shooting problems at all, including 63gr sub sonic. Just got the SD about a month ago and haven't had a chance to try them. So far, extremely happy with the guns. As for the HK, it's MADE by Carl Walther (recognise the name?) in Germany and imported/SOLD through Unamax in the US. Similar to GSG and ATI. I have a GSG-5 and two GSG-5SD’s. Have fired the 5 with no feeding or shooting problems at all, including 63gr sub sonic. Just got the SD about a month ago and haven’t had a chance to try them. So far, extremely happy with the guns.

As for the HK, it’s MADE by Carl Walther (recognise the name?) in Germany and imported/SOLD through Unamax in the US. Similar to GSG and ATI.

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]]> By: Jakes http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-62002 Jakes Wed, 04 May 2011 19:28:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-62002 Hi, I own a GSG5, short barrel version. (legal in my country) I haven´t tried it too much, around 700 rounds. It worked quite good. I bought the "Colt" M4 and sold it quickly.. I have a Sig 522 but only shot 100 rounds through it, didnt like its weight. (the rest is good) The GSG5 seems a better option when you want to carry a small package. What I just wanted to say is that, isn´t it clear that GSG is making the gun for Umarex??? Perhaps Umarex bought GSG (please tell me), I don´t know. Both guns are almost the same thing, no one is going to invest in tooling and people to build something already being made... HK saw the opportunity, sued GSG, launched their own version, "made by Umarex", and got a piece of the cake without doing much. Hi, I own a GSG5, short barrel version. (legal in my country) I haven´t tried it too much, around 700 rounds. It worked quite good. I bought the “Colt” M4 and sold it quickly.. I have a Sig 522 but only shot 100 rounds through it, didnt like its weight. (the rest is good) The GSG5 seems a better option when you want to carry a small package.

What I just wanted to say is that, isn´t it clear that GSG is making the gun for Umarex??? Perhaps Umarex bought GSG (please tell me), I don´t know. Both guns are almost the same thing, no one is going to invest in tooling and people to build something already being made…

HK saw the opportunity, sued GSG, launched their own version, “made by Umarex”, and got a piece of the cake without doing much.

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]]> By: Samopal http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-58155 Samopal Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:07:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-58155 If the quality of these is anything like what Umarex built for Colt I'll be keeping far away. Every time Umarex (which I believe is first and foremost an airsoft company) is hired to churn out licensed rimfire clones they turn out like crap. Colt hired them to build their "M16" clones after S&W hit the market with the M&P15-22. The "Colt" M16s are overpriced garbage and only sell for the brand name. It'll be the same thing with these, I know it. H&K didn't have a problem when these first came in but now that they know they can make a quick buck by churning out sub-par copies of their own they want to rid themselves of the competition. Nevertheless I've only heard good things about the GSG...if I feel the need for a .22 MP5 clone I'll find one of theirs on the used market. If the quality of these is anything like what Umarex built for Colt I’ll be keeping far away.

Every time Umarex (which I believe is first and foremost an airsoft company) is hired to churn out licensed rimfire clones they turn out like crap. Colt hired them to build their “M16″ clones after S&W hit the market with the M&P15-22. The “Colt” M16s are overpriced garbage and only sell for the brand name.

It’ll be the same thing with these, I know it. H&K didn’t have a problem when these first came in but now that they know they can make a quick buck by churning out sub-par copies of their own they want to rid themselves of the competition.

Nevertheless I’ve only heard good things about the GSG…if I feel the need for a .22 MP5 clone I’ll find one of theirs on the used market.

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]]> By: me http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-52719 me Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:42:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-52719 well, as i see it, it isnt a competition against GSG and the original HK, cause GSG would definately loose. The problem is Hk just gave the license to UMAREX, so they won money from sales, and umarex won reputation and publicity. So, the real question is, which quality is better, UMAREX, or GSG???(which i dont know and would be glad to) well, as i see it, it isnt a competition against GSG and the original HK, cause GSG would definately loose. The problem is Hk just gave the license to UMAREX, so they won money from sales, and umarex won reputation and publicity. So, the real question is, which quality is better, UMAREX, or GSG???(which i dont know and would be glad to)

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]]> By: Kwikk http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-50935 Kwikk Mon, 20 Dec 2010 04:50:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-50935 and yes, I AM aware of the awesomeness and history of the original MP5. The difference- the mp5, made with military and law enforcement in mind, and the gsg-5 - you got it- a replica that was INTENDED for people who wanted a plinker that fired plinking rounds, but looked, and yes, for the most part, feels like as close as most people would get to an MP5 without the price tag and class 3 hoops to jump through. They never claimed otherwise, and no one's going to take it to war- not if they want to come back, anyway. Had GSG come out with a 9mm clone, I'd be singing a completely different tune, and would be mud slinging at GSG, too. and yes, I AM aware of the awesomeness and history of the original MP5. The difference- the mp5, made with military and law enforcement in mind, and the gsg-5 – you got it- a replica that was INTENDED for people who wanted a plinker that fired plinking rounds, but looked, and yes, for the most part, feels like as close as most people would get to an MP5 without the price tag and class 3 hoops to jump through. They never claimed otherwise, and no one’s going to take it to war- not if they want to come back, anyway.
Had GSG come out with a 9mm clone, I’d be singing a completely different tune, and would be mud slinging at GSG, too.

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]]> By: Kwikk http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-50933 Kwikk Mon, 20 Dec 2010 04:29:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-50933 A few months late, I know, but after reading above, I feel it necessary to clarify.. I respect the work H&K does for military and law enforcement around the world, and this post is not intended to flame against H&K in any way.If you feel that it is, please read it again.. The new .22 from H&K may be awesome, but this is solely to attest to the build and quality of the GSG-5 from someone who owns one, and to voice an opinion about the legal fiasco that ensued. I do own a gsg-5, and have, on occasion, had the pleasure of tinkering with a mp-5. The GSG-5 came in after much research, and forcing myself to pay upwards of 500 for a plinker .22. I'd never afford the $10K + tag to own the real deal, so hey.. As for the gsg-5, a little more than.."….Lol ATI-GSG is plastic sept trigger parts, bolt-springs and pins, berral.." is metal. The upper reciever itself is metal, as is the sight rail and rear sight. (Odd, when disassembled, it breaks open like a clam shell, does the real mp5 do this?) Overall feel and weight are pretty darn comparable to the real deal. in fact, many review sites validate my claim. You could probably dig up some numbers to put me in my place, but I was pretty happy with it overall. Other than internals, things like the stock, foregrip, and trigger housing are interchangeable from hkparts. As I said, side by side, pretty comparable- you can tell the difference, but the likeness is suprising. As for it being a crappy gun that misfires every other round, maybe I got lucky, but it's probably misfired less than most other .22's I've fired. Wildcat .22 ammo from winchester is real hit or miss in any gun, and I doubt this would be much different. Not much different in quality or price, I took out some thunderbolt ammo, and some CCI.We went through around 200 rounds on day one, and may have had two hiccups. I was VERY pleased with that result. From what I read, it IS pretty picky, and I am put off by the no-go on subsonics- but I won't lose any sleep over it. As someone said above, it's a plinker- I'll never hunt moose with it. If I want to bring a gun that I'm going to run through the mud, and use cheap ammo with, it's not going to be this one. That's what the 10/22 in the cabinet's for. If you're still reading, thanks- apparently I have a lot more to say that I thought I did! German Sport Guns, which is still called that, imported the guns through ATI, an american company, and makes clones of several popular guns. During the production of the gun, it employed several people previously employed by H&K (defectors, I don't know- maybe). The only proof still around was http://demigodllc.com/articles/gsg-5-mp5-in-22-lr/ A clone (ripp-off, whatever) yes, but in all fairness, (and this may make a couple people mad) Before buying the gun, I read several places that H&K was aware of this rifle, (and not up in arms about it) long before they decided to sue and bring out their own .22 right on the heels of of a verdict. I personally find it odd that they'd wait to sue until their .22 was ready to go-thereby eliminating the competition (competition bad, monopoly good). I think there's a shady business term for that, but it's late and I'm not looking it up. Smart though, imo. I'll agree- the design was theirs from the get-go, and they had every right to sue, but if it offended them that much, why didn't they sue before the GSG-5 had been out for so long? All was quiet on the western front until they developed their own .22. For what it's worth, I hope H&K does well with their new little plinker. I've got the "ripp-off", and it's not a bad one at that. A few months late, I know, but after reading above, I feel it necessary to clarify..
I respect the work H&K does for military and law enforcement around the world, and this post is not intended to flame against H&K in any way.If you feel that it is, please read it again.. The new .22 from H&K may be awesome, but this is solely to attest to the build and quality of the GSG-5 from someone who owns one, and to voice an opinion about the legal fiasco that ensued.
I do own a gsg-5, and have, on occasion, had the pleasure of tinkering with a mp-5. The GSG-5 came in after much research, and forcing myself to pay upwards of 500 for a plinker .22. I’d never afford the $10K + tag to own the real deal, so hey.. As for the gsg-5, a little more than..”….Lol ATI-GSG is plastic sept trigger parts, bolt-springs and pins, berral..” is metal. The upper reciever itself is metal, as is the sight rail and rear sight. (Odd, when disassembled, it breaks open like a clam shell, does the real mp5 do this?) Overall feel and weight are pretty darn comparable to the real deal. in fact, many review sites validate my claim. You could probably dig up some numbers to put me in my place, but I was pretty happy with it overall. Other than internals, things like the stock, foregrip, and trigger housing are interchangeable from hkparts. As I said, side by side, pretty comparable- you can tell the difference, but the likeness is suprising.

As for it being a crappy gun that misfires every other round, maybe I got lucky, but it’s probably misfired less than most other .22′s I’ve fired. Wildcat .22 ammo from winchester is real hit or miss in any gun, and I doubt this would be much different. Not much different in quality or price, I took out some thunderbolt ammo, and some CCI.We went through around 200 rounds on day one, and may have had two hiccups. I was VERY pleased with that result. From what I read, it IS pretty picky, and I am put off by the no-go on subsonics- but I won’t lose any sleep over it. As someone said above, it’s a plinker- I’ll never hunt moose with it. If I want to bring a gun that I’m going to run through the mud, and use cheap ammo with, it’s not going to be this one. That’s what the 10/22 in the cabinet’s for.
If you’re still reading, thanks- apparently I have a lot more to say that I thought I did! German Sport Guns, which is still called that, imported the guns through ATI, an american company, and makes clones of several popular guns. During the production of the gun, it employed several people previously employed by H&K (defectors, I don’t know- maybe). The only proof still around was http://demigodllc.com/articles/gsg-5-mp5-in-22-lr/
A clone (ripp-off, whatever) yes, but in all fairness, (and this may make a couple people mad) Before buying the gun, I read several places that H&K was aware of this rifle, (and not up in arms about it) long before they decided to sue and bring out their own .22 right on the heels of of a verdict. I personally find it odd that they’d wait to sue until their .22 was ready to go-thereby eliminating the competition (competition bad, monopoly good). I think there’s a shady business term for that, but it’s late and I’m not looking it up. Smart though, imo. I’ll agree- the design was theirs from the get-go, and they had every right to sue, but if it offended them that much, why didn’t they sue before the GSG-5 had been out for so long? All was quiet on the western front until they developed their own .22.
For what it’s worth, I hope H&K does well with their new little plinker. I’ve got the “ripp-off”, and it’s not a bad one at that.

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]]> By: Gunner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-40498 Gunner Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:15:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-40498 HK is the BEST! No arguement whatsoever. Proven by general public, Law Enforcement and Military in the world for years. I totally agree with PuttinDownRange. Two thumbs-up. HK is the BEST! No arguement whatsoever. Proven by general public, Law Enforcement and Military in the world for years. I totally agree with PuttinDownRange. Two thumbs-up.

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]]> By: PuttinDownRange http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-35283 PuttinDownRange Mon, 31 May 2010 07:56:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-35283 The diff. between the guns are, Hk been making guns "not just one but 40 diff ones used by global mil." for how long 70-60 years? And GSG 2-3 years? HK is not plastic, upper and lower are stamped....Lol ATI-GSG is plastic sept trigger parts, bolt-springs and pins, berral..Thier the same price or close. One is the real thing and has been used for mil. sub tactics gun by all countries for over 40 years. The other stolen and made for 2-3 years used by nobody sept people that want a cheap 22lr plinker. Sad thing is it dosent even shoot well it has feed problems and dosent like any other ammo than exp. 22lr ammo. A good gun dosent do that! take my Sig-522 It shot without fail until the feed ramp got so fouled after 1200 rounds! it shoots all 22lr ammo without fail from cheap crap to good subsonic! And rapid fire at 50 yards "fast as you can pull the trigger" was a grouping of 3 Inches. Sorry boy's Hk is the better gun and better rep. company! Guns and optics are like anything else you get what you pay for and stick to the big names that have been in the game alot longer. The diff. between the guns are, Hk been making guns “not just one but 40 diff ones used by global mil.” for how long 70-60 years? And GSG 2-3 years? HK is not plastic, upper and lower are stamped….Lol ATI-GSG is plastic sept trigger parts, bolt-springs and pins, berral..Thier the same price or close. One is the real thing and has been used for mil. sub tactics gun by all countries for over 40 years. The other stolen and made for 2-3 years used by nobody sept people that want a cheap 22lr plinker. Sad thing is it dosent even shoot well it has feed problems and dosent like any other ammo than exp. 22lr ammo. A good gun dosent do that! take my Sig-522 It shot without fail until the feed ramp got so fouled after 1200 rounds! it shoots all 22lr ammo without fail from cheap crap to good subsonic! And rapid fire at 50 yards “fast as you can pull the trigger” was a grouping of 3 Inches. Sorry boy’s Hk is the better gun and better rep. company! Guns and optics are like anything else you get what you pay for and stick to the big names that have been in the game alot longer.

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]]> By: PuttinDownRange http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-35282 PuttinDownRange Mon, 31 May 2010 07:23:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-35282 What your failing to understand is HK is the orig. creater of the MP5-A3,A5,SD they made the gun like 40 years ago it dosent matter what cal. it comes in it's still copy right infringing. Besides if any of you knew anything about guns you would know that HK mp5 has been around as the top of tactical weapons for CQB by all countries thats how good they are! GSG has been into making a copy of that gun for 2 years? ---->Lets think that through plastic copy or real thing stamped by HK.....GSG isnt GSG anymore thier now ATI because thier stealing! And by the way do not call the ATI-GSG an HK mp5 because it's not it's a CLONE!!!! What your failing to understand is HK is the orig. creater of the MP5-A3,A5,SD they made the gun like 40 years ago it dosent matter what cal. it comes in it’s still copy right infringing. Besides if any of you knew anything about guns you would know that HK mp5 has been around as the top of tactical weapons for CQB by all countries thats how good they are! GSG has been into making a copy of that gun for 2 years? —->Lets think that through plastic copy or real thing stamped by HK…..GSG isnt GSG anymore thier now ATI because thier stealing! And by the way do not call the ATI-GSG an HK mp5 because it’s not it’s a CLONE!!!!

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-28230 John Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:48:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-28230 I have owned an HK SP89 and now a GSG-5. The fact that there won't be anymore GSG-5's after January is the deal cincher for me. You couldn't have given me one last year. I only want what I am not supposed to have. I have owned an HK SP89 and now a GSG-5. The fact that there won’t be anymore GSG-5′s after January is the deal cincher for me. You couldn’t have given me one last year. I only want what I am not supposed to have.

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]]> By: AK™ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-25694 AK™ Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:44:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-25694 this gun seems mighty familiar..maybe I've seen one before. Maybe there is a company in Germany that makes one of these? German Sport Guns(GSG) maybe? /end sarcasm Having taken a look at the new GSG model 522,I'd go with the GSG plinker first. this gun seems mighty familiar..maybe I’ve seen one before.

Maybe there is a company in Germany that makes one of these?

German Sport Guns(GSG) maybe?

/end sarcasm

Having taken a look at the new GSG model 522,I’d go with the GSG plinker first.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-20702 Matt Groom Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:27:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-20702 Wait, wait, wait. Did H&K sue ATI for importing the GSG-5 because they already had a deal worked out with Umarex to distribute the exact same thing? That's just shady. Unless they can demonstrate that the Umarex is clearly superior in functionality and accuracy than the GSG-5, I will not be purchasing one, even if it does have H&K's approval. Wait, wait, wait. Did H&K sue ATI for importing the GSG-5 because they already had a deal worked out with Umarex to distribute the exact same thing? That’s just shady. Unless they can demonstrate that the Umarex is clearly superior in functionality and accuracy than the GSG-5, I will not be purchasing one, even if it does have H&K’s approval.

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]]> By: thebronze http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-20609 thebronze Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:06:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-20609 They still hate you... They still hate you…

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]]> By: Jesse http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-20602 Jesse Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:28:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-20602 I don't understand, how is this going to be any different than the GSG 5? I don’t understand, how is this going to be any different than the GSG 5?

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]]> By: CUrob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-20581 CUrob Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:19:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-20581 Found pricing...$438.92 to $485.92 http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?target=search&substring=umarex Found pricing…$438.92 to $485.92

http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?target=search&substring=umarex

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]]> By: Vak http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hk-umarex-mp5-a5-and-mp5sd-22-tactical-rimfire/comment-page-1/#comment-20570 Vak Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:09:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9760#comment-20570 Out of what kind of metal will the receivers be made ? Steel, aluminium or some cheap zinc alloy ? Out of what kind of metal will the receivers be made ? Steel, aluminium or some cheap zinc alloy ?

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