Comments on: Winchester PDX1 Self Defense Shotshell ammo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: E.B. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-86080 E.B. Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:05:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-86080 When will this Ammo be available in 20 gauge. When will this Ammo be available in 20 gauge.

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]]> By: Jefferson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-84381 Jefferson Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:17:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-84381 I keep seeing inputs about tests done on 1/2" pieces, using 2&1/2 or 3" PDX shells. Penetration seems to be the issue in these tests. I have not heard/read TO many reports about people being attacked in their homes, in the middle of the night, by sheets of plywood. Keep in mind, here, folks, FLESH will and "does" give way to each and "all" of the BBs and discs, in these shells. See my "HOG" report, above. I will ask tihs from anyone that has done these "tests"........PLEASE let us "all" know, as soon as lumber begins murdering sleepers in their beds. This is something in which I believe that the "world' would show great interest, as we have enouigh CRACK-HEADs and violent attackers, already, and sheets of plywood coming through windows into bedrooms "may" move us into another area of Mulder and Scully investigations. Anything is possible, these days. I keep seeing inputs about tests done on 1/2″ pieces, using 2&1/2 or 3″ PDX shells. Penetration seems to be the issue in these tests. I have not heard/read TO many reports about people being attacked in their homes, in the middle of the night, by sheets of plywood. Keep in mind, here, folks, FLESH will and “does” give way to each and “all” of the BBs and discs, in these shells. See my “HOG” report, above. I will ask tihs from anyone that has done these “tests”……..PLEASE let us “all” know, as soon as lumber begins murdering sleepers in their beds. This is something in which I believe that the “world’ would show great interest, as we have enouigh CRACK-HEADs and violent attackers, already, and sheets of plywood coming through windows into bedrooms “may” move us into another area of Mulder and Scully investigations. Anything is possible, these days.

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]]> By: mike mend http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-84327 mike mend Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:44:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-84327 With all due respect, the 410 is a 410 BORE not a 410 gauge. With all due respect, the 410 is a 410 BORE not a 410 gauge.

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]]> By: Jefferson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-82413 Jefferson Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:01:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-82413 Hi, Terry,. Thanks forthe response. Hell with all the pig lovers. It was going to market to be processed, anyway. Killing a pig is killing a pig. I PROMISE, it did not suffer. It DROPPED like a dead pig. I, myself, hope the idiots shiow up on my doorstep. LOL Want to see some pig-lovers soil themselves???? (: (; I promise to post pics, if it happens, brown stains and all. I also keep, WITH one of my SEVERAL judges, an HK USP large frame 45acp with legal HE rounds. I am not partcullarly worried about ANYBODY that does no belong in my home Wild dogs need to eat, also, so I think that may take care of the legal issues that would NORMALLY arise. LOL Hi, Terry,. Thanks forthe response. Hell with all the pig lovers. It was going to market to be processed, anyway. Killing a pig is killing a pig. I PROMISE, it did not suffer. It DROPPED like a dead pig. I, myself, hope the idiots shiow up on my doorstep. LOL Want to see some pig-lovers soil themselves???? (: (; I promise to post pics, if it happens, brown stains and all.
I also keep, WITH one of my SEVERAL judges, an HK USP large frame 45acp with legal HE rounds. I am not partcullarly worried about ANYBODY that does no belong in my home Wild dogs need to eat, also, so I think that may take care of the legal issues that would NORMALLY arise. LOL

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]]> By: Jefferson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-82412 Jefferson Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:58:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-82412 Hi, Terry,. Thanks forthe response. Hell with all the pig lovers. It was going to market to be processed, anyway. Killing a pig is killing a pig. I PROMISE, it did not suffer. It DROPPED like a dead pig. I, myself, hope the idiots shiow up on my doorstep. LOL Want to see some pig-lovers soil themselves???? (: (; I promise to post pics, if it happens, brown stains and all. I also keep, WITH one of my SEVERAL judges, an HK USP large frame 45acp with legal HE rounds. I am not partcullarly worried about ANYBODY that does no belong in my home Wild dogs need to eat, also, so I think that may take care of the legal issues that would NORMALLY arise. LOL Take care, Buddy!!! JAL Hi, Terry,. Thanks forthe response. Hell with all the pig lovers. It was going to market to be processed, anyway. Killing a pig is killing a pig. I PROMISE, it did not suffer. It DROPPED like a dead pig. I, myself, hope the idiots shiow up on my doorstep. LOL Want to see some pig-lovers soil themselves???? (: (; I promise to post pics, if it happens, brown stains and all.
I also keep, WITH one of my SEVERAL judges, an HK USP large frame 45acp with legal HE rounds. I am not partcullarly worried about ANYBODY that does no belong in my home Wild dogs need to eat, also, so I think that may take care of the legal issues that would NORMALLY arise. LOL

Take care, Buddy!!! JAL

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]]> By: Terry Gilliam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-82227 Terry Gilliam Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:25:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-82227 WOW That thing with the pig is a real eye opener. From what i know This round is a very good home def. round and i keep them in 3 of 6 chambers in my raging judge. And real tests[ like the pig test] are good to know. I live in the country with only my wife and have the other 3 chambers loaded with 225 grain corbon dpx 45 colt at 1200 fps because i would hate to get caught with a wall between me and an intruder and have 9 mms coming through and be at a huge disadvantage. But i do get the reasoning some have to over penetration, but in my house i may just need to overpenetrate. That is where we all think a little different and whats right for me isnt right for everybody else. Hope the pig lovers stay of your case. LOL WOW That thing with the pig is a real eye opener. From what i know This round is a very good home def. round and i keep them in 3 of 6 chambers in my raging judge. And real tests[ like the pig test] are good to know. I live in the country with only my wife and have the other 3 chambers loaded with 225 grain corbon dpx 45 colt at 1200 fps because i would hate to get caught with a wall between me and an intruder and have 9 mms coming through and be at a huge disadvantage. But i do get the reasoning some have to over penetration, but in my house i may just need to overpenetrate. That is where we all think a little different and whats right for me isnt right for everybody else. Hope the pig lovers stay of your case. LOL

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]]> By: Jefferson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81784 Jefferson Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:01:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81784 Hi, Bo!!! Refer to my comment posted 12/23/2011 and see if that helps you understand what the PDX 3" out of a 3" barrel will do. Hi, Bo!!! Refer to my comment posted 12/23/2011 and see if that helps you understand what the PDX 3″ out of a 3″ barrel will do.

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]]> By: Terry Gilliam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81776 Terry Gilliam Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:39:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81776 I agree with all of your points but one. And me dissagreeing dont make you wrong but compared to a single 9 mm plus p of say 124 grain that gives considerably more weight and velocity per projectile than the 410 000 buck would go through much more than .5 inches of plywood at those distances. I think it would go through at least four of those peices of plywood. But that may be comparing apples to oranges. I agree with you enough that i have a raging judge i use the pdx1 and federal in 3 of the chambers with 45 long colt dpx plus p in the other 3. I can live with 3 or 4 000 buck at 8 inches of penetration if some are right and thats all they have versus the 9 mm going 12 inches and not raising my hit percentage and making one hole. Aiso at 15 feet or closer a pdx1 or a federal 4 pellet 000 buck are probably as potent as you could get. Out of my gun they act like one very big 280 grain bullet. I agree with all of your points but one. And me dissagreeing dont make you wrong but compared to a single 9 mm plus p of say 124 grain that gives considerably more weight and velocity per projectile than the 410 000 buck would go through much more than .5 inches of plywood at those distances. I think it would go through at least four of those peices of plywood. But that may be comparing apples to oranges. I agree with you enough that i have a raging judge i use the pdx1 and federal in 3 of the chambers with 45 long colt dpx plus p in the other 3. I can live with 3 or 4 000 buck at 8 inches of penetration if some are right and thats all they have versus the 9 mm going 12 inches and not raising my hit percentage and making one hole. Aiso at 15 feet or closer a pdx1 or a federal 4 pellet 000 buck are probably as potent as you could get. Out of my gun they act like one very big 280 grain bullet.

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]]> By: Terry Gilliam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81774 Terry Gilliam Tue, 27 Dec 2011 04:50:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81774 Maybe you are one of those crack shots that will always rise to the threat with great skill and heroism Don, and know you would never need anything to up your odds of hitting an intruder under conditions 99 percent of us " in my opinion " may not calmly place that first round on target every time as you know you will. That being said i think most people see this gun and load as a way of having a simple to use revolver that is likely to shoot,[ even with a limp wrist ] and put some early painful or maybe even lethal shots on target even if in a high stress situation where our trigger control may not be at its best before our 5 or six shots are gone forever. I have seen trained police empty high capacity mags from short range without a hit on vidio more than once. If i knew i would not miss i would rather have a 230 grain long colt hp in all 6 holes and not every other one also. So im not one who is misled in thinking pdx1s are so devestating anywhere inside a house. I am one who is willing to trade off some some stopping power for much higher odds of making his target not nearly as easy and worthwhile as he may have thought before those first 3 or 4 pellets and 5 or six bbs that may only penetrate as little as 2 and 6 inches respectivly need attetion. I do recomend 6 inch barrel if you agree with some of the reasons stated here but think three inch can be effective. The judge or raging judge is not for everyone but we cant all be stupid for thinking it has some benefits inside a house. Maybe you are one of those crack shots that will always rise to the threat with great skill and heroism Don, and know you would never need anything to up your odds of hitting an intruder under conditions 99 percent of us ” in my opinion ” may not calmly place that first round on target every time as you know you will. That being said i think most people see this gun and load as a way of having a simple to use revolver that is likely to shoot,[ even with a limp wrist ] and put some early painful or maybe even lethal shots on target even if in a high stress situation where our trigger control may not be at its best before our 5 or six shots are gone forever. I have seen trained police empty high capacity mags from short range without a hit on vidio more than once. If i knew i would not miss i would rather have a 230 grain long colt hp in all 6 holes and not every other one also. So im not one who is misled in thinking pdx1s are so devestating anywhere inside a house. I am one who is willing to trade off some some stopping power for much higher odds of making his target not nearly as easy and worthwhile as he may have thought before those first 3 or 4 pellets and 5 or six bbs that may only penetrate as little as 2 and 6 inches respectivly need attetion. I do recomend 6 inch barrel if you agree with some of the reasons stated here but think three inch can be effective. The judge or raging judge is not for everyone but we cant all be stupid for thinking it has some benefits inside a house.

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]]> By: Jefferson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81427 Jefferson Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:59:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81427 I have shot both 3" 5-ball ooo buckshot and the 3" PDX at a 14" long watermelon from a distance of 14 ft. The buckshot did good.....................3&1/2 pattern straight through. Use your imagination about what it would have done to a human intruder. The watermelon EXPLODED into nothing when I used the PDX. Three weeks ago, a local man, confined to a wheelchair, was attacked in his home. He had a hide-out spot on his wheelchair and got to it, before he accrued TOO much personal damage. One (1) shot, later, the intruder still existed but the asshole was DEAD. ONE SHOT, ONE KILL. The benefit of carrying all PDX is that it won't go throughh the assailant and injure another person. The Judge was basically designed for up close "personal defense". With a 45 lc, if you are upset or under duress, one shot may not be enough for a crack-head. The PDX, in my opinion, is one of the best shells on the market for those interested in rapid take-down of an attacker. I used one of the PDX on a 350 lb hog, going to the processing plant. I shot from 18 feet, a good "maximum" self-defense distance, and there was not a single organ in the hog that was not damaged by either a disc or a bb. I was quite pleased. I hope this helps those of you with concerns about the lethality of the PDX round. I have shot both 3″ 5-ball ooo buckshot and the 3″ PDX at a 14″ long watermelon from a distance of 14 ft. The buckshot did good…………………3&1/2 pattern straight through. Use your imagination about what it would have done to a human intruder. The watermelon EXPLODED into nothing when I used the PDX. Three weeks ago, a local man, confined to a wheelchair, was attacked in his home. He had a hide-out spot on his wheelchair and got to it, before he accrued TOO much personal damage. One (1) shot, later, the intruder still existed but the asshole was DEAD. ONE SHOT, ONE KILL. The benefit of carrying all PDX is that it won’t go throughh the assailant and injure another person. The Judge was basically designed for up close “personal defense”. With a 45 lc, if you are upset or under duress, one shot may not be enough for a crack-head. The PDX, in my opinion, is one of the best shells on the market for those interested in rapid take-down of an attacker. I used one of the PDX on a 350 lb hog, going to the processing plant. I shot from 18 feet, a good “maximum” self-defense distance, and there was not a single organ in the hog that was not damaged by either a disc or a bb. I was quite pleased. I hope this helps those of you with concerns about the lethality of the PDX round.

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]]> By: Terry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81405 Terry Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:31:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81405 I think i am a very good shot. Today i shot a 10 shot 1.4 inch group at a measured 25 yards offhand. I train quite a bit for fun and home invasion possibilities. everybody thinks they will calmly put a couple shots on target rest there finger back on the side of the gun and make sure threat is not a threat anymore. But people dont know how terrified they would be if that door is really kicked in and someone comes down the hall crazy on drugs with a gun. I think a 6.5" raging judge with 3 corbon dpx 225 grain 45 colts and three 3" pdx1s would make me feel about as good as possible because even though i think i am the best shot i know i may not be able to hit a 5 gallon jug from 25 feet when i am terrified and yes i would be terrified. I test ammo every way i can think of all the time and did have some concerns about penetration of the pdxis but with my 6.5" barrel i think that probem is outweighed by more chance of getting some hits and those 45 colts may just go on target too But even if i shake like a leaf the intruder wont get out unscaved with that many chunks of lead. As far as calataral damage i dont plan on taking it to the supermarket. I think i am a very good shot. Today i shot a 10 shot 1.4 inch group at a measured 25 yards offhand. I train quite a bit for fun and home invasion possibilities. everybody thinks they will calmly put a couple shots on target rest there finger back on the side of the gun and make sure threat is not a threat anymore. But people dont know how terrified they would be if that door is really kicked in and someone comes down the hall crazy on drugs with a gun. I think a 6.5″ raging judge with 3 corbon dpx 225 grain 45 colts and three 3″ pdx1s would make me feel about as good as possible because even though i think i am the best shot i know i may not be able to hit a 5 gallon jug from 25 feet when i am terrified and yes i would be terrified. I test ammo every way i can think of all the time and did have some concerns about penetration of the pdxis but with my 6.5″ barrel i think that probem is outweighed by more chance of getting some hits and those 45 colts may just go on target too But even if i shake like a leaf the intruder wont get out unscaved with that many chunks of lead. As far as calataral damage i dont plan on taking it to the supermarket.

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]]> By: Terry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-81402 Terry Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:58:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-81402 hi hi

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]]> By: ص http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-80967 ص Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:25:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-80967 کوس خالتون کوس خالتون

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]]> By: Phil http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-73256 Phil Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:13:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-73256 Hey Bo, I have not seen any data like the kind you speak of. I have a Judge loaded with PDX1 rounds in my bedside table, I will use it only for home defense at night, it's perfect for that. Coming out of a dead sleep at 0300 will have me impaired. With the Judge, I know I'm going to get my target, or targets. With the spread, I'm going to nail my target, also don't have to worry about the round getting to my neighbors house. I carry a .38 during the day. These rounds are perfect for night home defense. Since I got my Judge, S&W has come out with a really nice revolver, The Governor. Good luck. Phil Hey Bo,

I have not seen any data like the kind you speak of. I have a Judge loaded with PDX1 rounds in my bedside table, I will use it only for home defense at night, it’s perfect for that. Coming out of a dead sleep at 0300 will have me impaired. With the Judge, I know I’m going to get my target, or targets. With the spread, I’m going to nail my target, also don’t have to worry about the round getting to my neighbors house. I carry a .38 during the day. These rounds are perfect for night home defense. Since I got my Judge, S&W has come out with a really nice revolver, The Governor. Good luck.

Phil

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]]> By: Bo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-73224 Bo Thu, 06 Oct 2011 03:04:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-73224 Any documented data on lethality of this load on "bad guys.?" Just curious. I know you can find compiled data like "one-shot stops" for 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, etc., but just how good is this personal defense load. It's still in my eyes a .410 shotshell. Nothing I would want to engage varmint with, and bad guys on two-feet who can do me harm is another stretch. Any ideas?? Any documented data on lethality of this load on “bad guys.?” Just curious. I know you can find compiled data like “one-shot stops” for 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, etc., but just how good is this personal defense load. It’s still in my eyes a .410 shotshell. Nothing I would want to engage varmint with, and bad guys on two-feet who can do me harm is another stretch. Any ideas??

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]]> By: Steve (The Firearm Blog) http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-69619 Steve (The Firearm Blog) Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:14:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-69619 rbbud, can you please email me the photos you took. I would like to blog them. thefirearmblog@gmail.com rbbud, can you please email me the photos you took. I would like to blog them.

thefirearmblog@gmail.com

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]]> By: rbbud http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-69555 rbbud Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:57:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-69555 Hello, Here is a link to my .410 PDX gel test: http://forums.theboxotruth.com/showthread.php?3819-Taurus-Judge-.410-PDX-1&p=35782#post35782 The block was 6"X6"X15.5" I did attempt to calibrate the homade gel. I used a .17 cal. pellet 650 with a max penetration of 1.5" I know, not the standard NATO cal, but I've seen several different cal's on the web and it was the best I could get in my garage. Hello,

Here is a link to my .410 PDX gel test:

http://forums.theboxotruth.com/showthread.php?3819-Taurus-Judge-.410-PDX-1&p=35782#post35782

The block was 6″X6″X15.5″ I did attempt to calibrate the homade gel. I used a .17 cal. pellet 650 with a max penetration of 1.5″

I know, not the standard NATO cal, but I’ve seen several different cal’s on the web and it was the best I could get in my garage.

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]]> By: Buddy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-69112 Buddy Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:29:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-69112 I got my Judge about 2 hours ago but was already familar with it due to it belonging to my son. He had two versions (he said mine was a 4" barrel so he kept the 2") soI have the long version. Actually, being an old man who owned my first gun at the age of 8 yrs, I am an avid collector and love to shoot. My son went to the range to try these weapons and was very positive about the new PDx1 ammo, saying that anybody on the receiving end of them has just had a very bad day. Thankfully, my son provided me with the new ammo and I look forward to trying it out. I got my Judge about 2 hours ago but was already familar with it due to it belonging to my son.

He had two versions (he said mine was a 4″ barrel so he kept the 2″) soI have the long version.

Actually, being an old man who owned my first gun at the age of 8 yrs, I am an avid collector and love to shoot.

My son went to the range to try these weapons and was very positive about the new PDx1 ammo, saying that anybody on the receiving end of them has just had a very bad day.

Thankfully, my son provided me with the new ammo and I look forward to trying it out.

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]]> By: JEFFERSON http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-67297 JEFFERSON Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:05:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-67297 I have tried any and ALL 410 shells (birdshot, buck and slugs AND 45 ammo) This new PDX1 Defender 3" is by far, in MY opinion, the best self fefense ammo on the market for personal defense, close range pisto-style weapons. It does have one major drawback. If you are not accustomed to high recoil ammo using a 410 revolver, GET READY. The recoil is gretarer than any of tyhe other loads i have fired. I tested my PDX1 3" defender shell on a metal %5 gal drium at 15 ft (max, in most cases, SELF DEFENSE, range) and I could place 2 thumbs side-by-side in the entrance hole of the discs. The BB sized birdshot covered the ENTIRE width of the drum and went through one side o the same slug entrance point. I am VERY, very pleased and upbeat about this ammo. I then reloaded a 3" buckshot shell with the ammo from a DEFERNDER shell, alternating disc, bb, disc bb, instead of disc, disc disc disc BBs. The result was even, if possible, MORE devastating. Disc was 1st, then BBs. Each disc deflected the BBs to such a degree, that IF this had been a crack-head, HUMAN attacker, he would NEVER rise, again, as there would not be ANYTHING i his torso cavity not SEVERELY impacted by this round. The BBs deflecting was the major cause of this. The factory Defender does quite the reqired jjob. I was jjust experimenting and was amazed at the even MUCH greater damage donee by my reloaded shell. Perhaps, Winchester might look into trying this load on the market???? I have tried any and ALL 410 shells (birdshot, buck and slugs AND 45 ammo) This new PDX1 Defender 3″ is by far, in MY opinion, the best self fefense ammo on the market for personal defense, close range pisto-style weapons. It does have one major drawback. If you are not accustomed to high recoil ammo using a 410 revolver, GET READY. The recoil is gretarer than any of tyhe other loads i have fired. I tested my PDX1 3″ defender shell on a metal %5 gal drium at 15 ft (max, in most cases, SELF DEFENSE, range) and I could place 2 thumbs side-by-side in the entrance hole of the discs. The BB sized birdshot covered the ENTIRE width of the drum and went through one side o the same slug entrance point. I am VERY, very pleased and upbeat about this ammo. I then reloaded a 3″ buckshot shell with the ammo from a DEFERNDER shell, alternating disc, bb, disc bb, instead of disc, disc disc disc BBs. The result was even, if possible, MORE devastating. Disc was 1st, then BBs. Each disc deflected the BBs to such a degree, that IF this had been a crack-head, HUMAN attacker, he would NEVER rise, again, as there would not be ANYTHING i his torso cavity not SEVERELY impacted by this round. The BBs deflecting was the major cause of this. The factory Defender does quite the reqired jjob. I was jjust experimenting and was amazed at the even MUCH greater damage donee by my reloaded shell. Perhaps, Winchester might look into trying this load on the market????

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]]> By: Chief http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/03/winchester-pdx1-self-defense-shotshell-ammo/comment-page-1/#comment-65401 Chief Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:14:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9725#comment-65401 This is perfect ammo for California. Toothless!!!! Just like the liberal self defense stripping idiots in Sacramento. This is perfect ammo for California. Toothless!!!! Just like the liberal self defense stripping idiots in Sacramento.

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