Comments on: FBI Purchases 20mm Rifles with suppressors http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mitch http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-73278 Mitch Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:01:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-73278 Its not speaking your mind that gets you into trouble. Its what you have your mind on that will. But I can hear your rail against the Man. And I howl with you. I can smell you brother. Can you smell me? Peace. Its not speaking your mind that gets you into trouble.
Its what you have your mind on that will.
But I can hear your rail against the Man.
And I howl with you.
I can smell you brother.
Can you smell me?
Peace.

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]]> By: does it matter http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-72973 does it matter Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:48:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-72973 Wow, let me guess a Fed or a Fed koolaid dispenser, may be both? There are very few good guys left in the capacity of FBI, CID,COD,ABC123 or you local yocal. Now that is downright sinful and a major crime against "we the people" Bet I get thrown on a list for speaking my mind, what do you think? Take care of the real criminals and I bet the statistics change almost instantaneously. I only hope there are enough Americans left that can read and think independently or we are all doomed with this type of thinking. Wow, let me guess a Fed or a Fed koolaid dispenser, may be both? There are very few good guys left in the capacity of FBI, CID,COD,ABC123 or you local yocal. Now that is downright sinful and a major crime against “we the people” Bet I get thrown on a list for speaking my mind, what do you think? Take care of the real criminals and I bet the statistics change almost instantaneously. I only hope there are enough Americans left that can read and think independently or we are all doomed with this type of thinking.

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]]> By: Steve the Healer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-71143 Steve the Healer Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:04:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-71143 Reminds me of an old joke ... about 'aving ze beeg guns! Reminds me of an old joke … about ‘aving ze beeg guns!

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]]> By: mitch http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-69395 mitch Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:48:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-69395 Many years ago, when the FBI's main job was protecting federal witnesses and such, they used to go out lightly armed. That all changed on the courthouse steps one day when several agents were ambushed and out-guned by gangsters with automatic weapons. The FBI made it plain then, and it has ever been so, that this will never happen again. All the agents are well trained, and well armed. to exactly that end. Its practicaly a mission statement. Just argue with an agent and you could be face down in a second. (yes sir, no sir, six bags full) Pull a BAR, and they got a 50 caliber, pull a 50 Caliber and they got a tank. If they got some 20mm rifles, then thats undoubtly the reason. Just be glad they are the good guys. Many years ago, when the FBI’s main job was protecting federal witnesses and such, they used to go out lightly armed.
That all changed on the courthouse steps one day when several agents were ambushed and out-guned by gangsters with automatic weapons.
The FBI made it plain then, and it has ever been so, that this will never happen again. All the agents are well trained, and well armed. to exactly that end. Its practicaly a mission statement.
Just argue with an agent and you could be face down in a second.
(yes sir, no sir, six bags full)
Pull a BAR, and they got a 50 caliber, pull a 50 Caliber and they got a tank. If they got some 20mm rifles, then thats undoubtly the reason.
Just be glad they are the good guys.

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]]> By: baltus http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-29968 baltus Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:10:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-29968 I can't wait for the mad scientist who is going to figure a way to send a 30mm round down range with a bolt action rifle and a scope... I can’t wait for the mad scientist who is going to figure a way to send a 30mm round down range with a bolt action rifle and a scope…

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]]> By: Anton http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-28771 Anton Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:49:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-28771 Inspiring! Inspiring!

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]]> By: Joe R http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-27195 Joe R Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:09:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-27195 jdun1911- this is not classified as a "heavy weapon" as there is no such official designation. What this IS classified as is a Destructive Device- since it has a rifled bore over one half inch in diameter. These items would need to be registered with the BATFE by a private citizen or corporation as such and the $200 tax would have to be paid. jdun1911- this is not classified as a “heavy weapon” as there is no such official designation.

What this IS classified as is a Destructive Device- since it has a rifled bore over one half inch in diameter. These items would need to be registered with the BATFE by a private citizen or corporation as such and the $200 tax would have to be paid.

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]]> By: Marshall Mathers http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-25913 Marshall Mathers Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:51:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-25913 @Mickey: one would assume the rifles come with firing bolt assemblies. the NF ones would presumably be used for practice. -mm @Mickey: one would assume the rifles come with firing bolt assemblies. the NF ones would presumably be used for practice.
-mm

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]]> By: bababooey http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-22354 bababooey Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:58:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-22354 Maybe they have another Waco or ruby ridge to jandle. Maybe they have another Waco or ruby ridge to jandle.

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]]> By: Mickey http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-21914 Mickey Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:32:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-21914 Non-firing bolt assemblies (Qty: 2 each) You would figure they would buy firing bolt assemblies, this seems weird to me... Non-firing bolt assemblies (Qty: 2 each)
You would figure they would buy firing bolt assemblies, this seems weird to me…

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]]> By: larry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20862 larry Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:57:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20862 Part of the FBI's mission takes agents assigned to SWAT and the national hostage rescue team (HRT) to garden spots such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc. While deployed agents are embedded with Rangers, Seals, A-Teams etc. Having been deployed in this capacity I have seen the need for some very specialized weapons when the situation dictates. Part of the FBI’s mission takes agents assigned to SWAT and the national hostage rescue team (HRT) to garden spots such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc. While deployed agents are embedded with Rangers, Seals, A-Teams etc. Having been deployed in this capacity I have seen the need for some very specialized weapons when the situation dictates.

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20815 John Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:43:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20815 The FBI probably wants a couple, so the government can work on getting them banned. The FBI probably wants a couple, so the government can work on getting them banned.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20241 subby Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:04:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20241 Actually I was being sarcastic. I couldn't think of a more difficult weapon to buy, train with or transport. But yeah, now that I think about it, having one of these babies is probably the cheapest low tech way to bring down an aeroplane from a kilometre away. After all, missile technology is very expensive and tightly controlled. Someone or some rogue state 'making' just a really big gun shouldn't be too difficult. Actually I was being sarcastic. I couldn’t think of a more difficult weapon to buy, train with or transport.
But yeah, now that I think about it, having one of these babies is probably the cheapest low tech way to bring down an aeroplane from a kilometre away. After all, missile technology is very expensive and tightly controlled. Someone or some rogue state ‘making’ just a really big gun shouldn’t be too difficult.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20094 Carl Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:42:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20094 And I agree that it looks rather heavy and impractical. An AT4 or LAW or something similar seems a lot better for taking out armored vehicles. I can't see any reasons why the cops couldn't have one of those in their trunk. And I agree that it looks rather heavy and impractical. An AT4 or LAW or something similar seems a lot better for taking out armored vehicles. I can’t see any reasons why the cops couldn’t have one of those in their trunk.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20091 Carl Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:37:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20091 "One would be to strategically place it under concealment to take out a possible treat to the president." lol, watch your spelling there, unless you care for a visit from the G-men. I imagine they don't much appreciate people "taking out treats" by means of a 20mm AT rifle to tha Prez. ;-) “One would be to strategically place it under concealment to take out a possible treat to the president.”

lol, watch your spelling there, unless you care for a visit from the G-men. I imagine they don’t much appreciate people “taking out treats” by means of a 20mm AT rifle to tha Prez. ;-)

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20048 Steve Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20048 subby, good point. subby, good point.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20047 subby Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:59:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20047 Probably 'investigating' the destructive effect of such a weapon on everyday civilian vehicles such as cars, trains and airplanes. Probably ‘investigating’ the destructive effect of such a weapon on everyday civilian vehicles such as cars, trains and airplanes.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20044 Steve Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:38:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20044 Imagine the media frenzy if they killed someone with this weapon. "FBI employ light artillery in hostage situation, kill three" Imagine the media frenzy if they killed someone with this weapon. “FBI employ light artillery in hostage situation, kill three”

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]]> By: CMathewa http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20033 CMathewa Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:07:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20033 Big Daddy, The war on drugs out in the water is usually fought by the Coast Guard, not the FBI. I'm not even sure how far the FBI's jurisdiction extends into the seas. The Coast Guard's Hitron teams are about the best shooters from a chopper. However, I don't see them hoisting this thing out of the door of a sea king. All I can think of is a Waco style incident. Instead of entering the building and risk your men, Demo the dn place. But i don't know FBI SOP so I wouldn't know. Maybe they are just putting this information out there to make DHS jealous, who knows..... Big Daddy,

The war on drugs out in the water is usually fought by the Coast Guard, not the FBI. I’m not even sure how far the FBI’s jurisdiction extends into the seas. The Coast Guard’s Hitron teams are about the best shooters from a chopper. However, I don’t see them hoisting this thing out of the door of a sea king. All I can think of is a Waco style incident. Instead of entering the building and risk your men, Demo the dn place. But i don’t know FBI SOP so I wouldn’t know. Maybe they are just putting this information out there to make DHS jealous, who knows…..

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]]> By: Big Daddy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-with-suppressors/comment-page-1/#comment-20031 Big Daddy Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:15:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9639#comment-20031 I can think of a few uses for it. One would be to strategically place it under concealment to take out a possible treat to the president. Such as a lightly armored vehicle, like an SUV with armor plating getting to the president's limo close enough to use a bomb or RPG. Even a 50 cal might not stop it quickly enough. Also it might be used for interdiction. Since it says Navy cammo maybe it can be used in the drug war against boats. A few of those rounds would be much more effective than bursts from an M240. Better accuracy for instance and it would maybe destroy the engines without killing everyone on board and destroying the evidence. Using an AP round would get the job done better than a 50 cal. There is a sabot round with a tungsten core for the 20mmx102mm. I would think that would tear through anything. I can think of a few uses for it. One would be to strategically place it under concealment to take out a possible treat to the president. Such as a lightly armored vehicle, like an SUV with armor plating getting to the president’s limo close enough to use a bomb or RPG. Even a 50 cal might not stop it quickly enough.

Also it might be used for interdiction. Since it says Navy cammo maybe it can be used in the drug war against boats. A few of those rounds would be much more effective than bursts from an M240. Better accuracy for instance and it would maybe destroy the engines without killing everyone on board and destroying the evidence. Using an AP round would get the job done better than a 50 cal. There is a sabot round with a tungsten core for the 20mmx102mm. I would think that would tear through anything.

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