Comments on: Robinson Armament XCR “Over the Beach” video http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rijoenpial http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-32932 Rijoenpial Fri, 07 May 2010 18:31:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-32932 Well, I have to say that I like the Robinson XCR, but not for the SCAR program... I admit that I would be curious how they would do the folding stock with the adjusted cheek thingy, the weight thing, and meet the other SOCOM requirements: we would probably end up with something else entirely... For me, the reason why FN won the SCAR contract is the size of the company, not politics: If the USSOCOM want their rifles to be reliable and have the support for spare parts and fulfill the SCAR ongoing requirement to build a weapon that will be evolving throughout the duration of the SCAR program, you need a company that is well-established and capable to meet their demanding...uh, demands...! HK could do it, FN surely can do it... The American companies, such as COLT, ROBINSON, REMINGTON and BUSHMASTER, have proven not being able to face those challenges on their own: BUSHY and REMY had to join ventures to meet the civilian and military markets for the ACR, which in turn was designed by a third company, MAGPUL...See where I am getting at? COLT is too fat for profit, sleeping on the job, and keeping the US soldiers depending on a faulty weapon to preserve their lives on the battlefield... The USArmy has something to do with it as well, but COLT's job is to propose upgrades to the weapon, something HK HAD to do with their HK 416 upgrade... HK wants to sell weapons, sure, but they aimed at improving the M4 with an upgrade rather than a all-new weapon and STILL the Army bought more M4s! You should write a letter to your congressman and demand that your troops be given the best and not the cheapest! Of course, when you have a former Lieutenant General of the USArmy being the Chairman of COLT, you know this is all about money, not even politics! Senators have been demanding tests, changes, and the Army has been stalling! So, it is not politics, just greed! The more M4s out there, the more COLT and the CEO earn from it! So, the idea that only American hardware is acceptable is not the sensible thing to do... If people really care about their countrymen overseas, they would want them to have the best weapon available, whether of American or European making...The SOF, SWAT have always used the German MP5s... The Italian Benelli Shotguns and Beretta sidearms, and the Austrian Glock, and so on and so forth, have been used by the American law and military forces... And they perform well, so I think that ship has sailed a longtime ago... I think aside from FN's SCAR, Rob's XCR would be the next best thing... The ACR came out too late to compete, so any crying over it is useless now... They can aim for an M4 replacement but given the last purchase made by the USArmy and the SCAR contract for the SOCOM, the ACR is only good for either overseas or the civilian market... BUt with those prices in a worldwide recession setting, I would not be holding my breath... ACR just came out too little too late... When the time comes to finally replace the M4, another weapon will show up, more futuristic (hell, the XM8 could come back in some form...) and the ARX-160 has silently showed that the next generation is already here! Modular, fully ambidextrious and easy to operate, use and disassemble, and powerful too! Robinson is just a viable alternative to the people who are sick of the AR-15 5.56 design and MO... I don't like the looks much, but aside from being ammo brands-picky, it performs well, as long as you don't cover it in mud...or sand...! LOL OK, I am going too long here... Peace! Well,

I have to say that I like the Robinson XCR, but not for the SCAR program…

I admit that I would be curious how they would do the folding stock with the adjusted cheek thingy, the weight thing, and meet the other SOCOM requirements: we would probably end up with something else entirely…

For me, the reason why FN won the SCAR contract is the size of the company, not politics: If the USSOCOM want their rifles to be reliable and have the support for spare parts and fulfill the SCAR ongoing requirement to build a weapon that will be evolving throughout the duration of the SCAR program, you need a company that is well-established and capable to meet their demanding…uh, demands…!

HK could do it, FN surely can do it… The American companies, such as COLT, ROBINSON, REMINGTON and BUSHMASTER, have proven not being able to face those challenges on their own: BUSHY and REMY had to join ventures to meet the civilian and military markets for the ACR, which in turn was designed by a third company, MAGPUL…See where I am getting at? COLT is too fat for profit, sleeping on the job, and keeping the US soldiers depending on a faulty weapon to preserve their lives on the battlefield… The USArmy has something to do with it as well, but COLT’s job is to propose upgrades to the weapon, something HK HAD to do with their HK 416 upgrade… HK wants to sell weapons, sure, but they aimed at improving the M4 with an upgrade rather than a all-new weapon and STILL the Army bought more M4s! You should write a letter to your congressman and demand that your troops be given the best and not the cheapest! Of course, when you have a former Lieutenant General of the USArmy being the Chairman of COLT, you know this is all about money, not even politics! Senators have been demanding tests, changes, and the Army has been stalling! So, it is not politics, just greed! The more M4s out there, the more COLT and the CEO earn from it!

So, the idea that only American hardware is acceptable is not the sensible thing to do… If people really care about their countrymen overseas, they would want them to have the best weapon available, whether of American or European making…The SOF, SWAT have always used the German MP5s… The Italian Benelli Shotguns and Beretta sidearms, and the Austrian Glock, and so on and so forth, have been used by the American law and military forces… And they perform well, so I think that ship has sailed a longtime ago…

I think aside from FN’s SCAR, Rob’s XCR would be the next best thing… The ACR came out too late to compete, so any crying over it is useless now…

They can aim for an M4 replacement but given the last purchase made by the USArmy and the SCAR contract for the SOCOM, the ACR is only good for either overseas or the civilian market… BUt with those prices in a worldwide recession setting, I would not be holding my breath…

ACR just came out too little too late… When the time comes to finally replace the M4, another weapon will show up, more futuristic (hell, the XM8 could come back in some form…) and the ARX-160 has silently showed that the next generation is already here! Modular, fully ambidextrious and easy to operate, use and disassemble, and powerful too!

Robinson is just a viable alternative to the people who are sick of the AR-15 5.56 design and MO…

I don’t like the looks much, but aside from being ammo brands-picky, it performs well, as long as you don’t cover it in mud…or sand…! LOL

OK, I am going too long here… Peace!

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]]> By: Eightball http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19441 Eightball Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:23:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19441 Crabula, you're not crazy. The XCR's ejection is very powerful, but it's adjustable with the variable gas system. 8 - 10 feet means the gun is properly gassed, but it can launch brass 30 feet if you dial it up to the maximum Crabula, you’re not crazy. The XCR’s ejection is very powerful, but it’s adjustable with the variable gas system. 8 – 10 feet means the gun is properly gassed, but it can launch brass 30 feet if you dial it up to the maximum

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19310 Lance Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:59:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19310 Sweet video make me wish that SOCOM sould have adopted the XCR, darn politics. Sweet video make me wish that SOCOM sould have adopted the XCR, darn politics.

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]]> By: Crabula http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19305 Crabula Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:47:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19305 Does it seem like it threw a few of those shell casings pretty far or am I crazy? Watch the video at approximately 50 and 1:40 in the video. You can see where they splash down in the water. Its probably not that important, just one of the first things I noticed. Anyone have any input? Does it seem like it threw a few of those shell casings pretty far or am I crazy?
Watch the video at approximately 50 and 1:40 in the video. You can see where they splash down in the water.
Its probably not that important, just one of the first things I noticed. Anyone have any input?

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19283 SpudGun Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:30:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19283 At last! I can go swimming with my rifle! 'Hey you kids! Stop splashing me! I'm warning ya!' At last! I can go swimming with my rifle!

‘Hey you kids! Stop splashing me! I’m warning ya!’

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19247 Matt Groom Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:35:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19247 It's more like a modernized FNC, Vitor. The lower receivers are practically interchangeable. It’s more like a modernized FNC, Vitor. The lower receivers are practically interchangeable.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19246 Carl Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:33:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19246 I wonder how well this would work when transporting the rifle for longer periods submerged. How does this work, is the idea to keep the water out of the barrel in the first place or to have it drain quickly? I can't imagine any rifle-length barrel would survive firing when completely water-filled. I wonder how well this would work when transporting the rifle for longer periods submerged.

How does this work, is the idea to keep the water out of the barrel in the first place or to have it drain quickly? I can’t imagine any rifle-length barrel would survive firing when completely water-filled.

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]]> By: Vitor http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19240 Vitor Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:02:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19240 No gloves, mask...the guy really trust his weapon! Well, since it's basically a modernized AK, I guess must of us expected to deal well with being wet, but still impressive how they just do it. No gloves, mask…the guy really trust his weapon! Well, since it’s basically a modernized AK, I guess must of us expected to deal well with being wet, but still impressive how they just do it.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/24/robinson-armament-xcr-over-the-beach-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19230 Matt Groom Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:18:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9517#comment-19230 If I was the dictator of a small, third-world country (and some day I will be!!!) then my presidential guard would carry XCRs, cause I like 'em. Notice how the first round is sometimes noticeably louder than the following shots. That's because water in the barrel can dramatically, even catastrophically increase your pressure. I know military guys sometimes have to do this, but I don't recommend it. Dump the water first! If I was the dictator of a small, third-world country (and some day I will be!!!) then my presidential guard would carry XCRs, cause I like ‘em.

Notice how the first round is sometimes noticeably louder than the following shots. That’s because water in the barrel can dramatically, even catastrophically increase your pressure. I know military guys sometimes have to do this, but I don’t recommend it. Dump the water first!

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