Comments on: Myth Busting: .22 Magnum vs. 5.7x28mm http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 223rem http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-81142 223rem Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:39:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-81142 Samoblack, I am not arguing your point with respect to the 5.7 vs the anything. I carry a 1911 in .45acp. These little calibers will hurt you a lot if you are hit by one, but they simply are not good "up and close" defensive rounds. My complaint is that you don't understand the difference between "then" and "than"!!! Please continue your discourse, but understand that if you wish to compare two or more things use "than". Please search on "then vs than". It is very simple Samoblack,

I am not arguing your point with respect to the 5.7 vs the anything. I carry a 1911 in .45acp. These little calibers will hurt you a lot if you are hit by one, but they simply are not good “up and close” defensive rounds.

My complaint is that you don’t understand the difference between “then” and “than”!!! Please continue your discourse, but understand that if you wish to compare two or more things use “than”. Please search on “then vs than”. It is very simple

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]]> By: frank http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-76035 frank Tue, 01 Nov 2011 18:49:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-76035 I have a handgun in every common caliber. The PMR30 is the most fun to shoot gun that I own. I wish ammo was cheaper but it is still cheaper than centerfire unless you hand load. I do handload but it is nice to not have to search for brass on the ground. I havent tested the speed of the 22mag out of this gun but I will say this. When shooting double phone books shrink wrapped together the 22 mag out performs any 22lr round from either my 10-22 or Marlin 39A. It easily passed through 4 inches of phone book and leaves a nice big hole on exit. Rarely does the 22lr exit the same. Even 125grain 38special from a j frame does not exit. Would I carry the PMR for self defense? Not purely for self defense. I much prefer the Glock 19 or even my S&W scandium 357 for that reason. For camping, walking in the woods, fun shooting the PMR is perfect. If I happen to run into bad guys in the woods, 30 rounds of 22 mag makes a lot of noise and shoots flat and accurate. I think anyone who is left around after one magazine of these will be either stupid or crazy. This gun is about as good as it gets for $350. I have a handgun in every common caliber. The PMR30 is the most fun to shoot gun that I own. I wish ammo was cheaper but it is still cheaper than centerfire unless you hand load. I do handload but it is nice to not have to search for brass on the ground. I havent tested the speed of the 22mag out of this gun but I will say this. When shooting double phone books shrink wrapped together the 22 mag out performs any 22lr round from either my 10-22 or Marlin 39A. It easily passed through 4 inches of phone book and leaves a nice big hole on exit. Rarely does the 22lr exit the same. Even 125grain 38special from a j frame does not exit.
Would I carry the PMR for self defense? Not purely for self defense. I much prefer the Glock 19 or even my S&W scandium 357 for that reason. For camping, walking in the woods, fun shooting the PMR is perfect. If I happen to run into bad guys in the woods, 30 rounds of 22 mag makes a lot of noise and shoots flat and accurate. I think anyone who is left around after one magazine of these will be either stupid or crazy. This gun is about as good as it gets for $350.

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]]> By: Lloyd http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-75709 Lloyd Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:17:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-75709 I have been on a waiting list for the PMR-30 for over a year and someone brought my attention to the FN FiveSeven lately. Cost isn't an issue and the FN seems to have a lot of good qualities. The following article http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_fnusg_021207/ seems to indicate that the FN can be pretty effective because of its rapid yaw cycle. I am a novice but the author says, "It’s obvious that the rounds yaw quickly as two rounds penetrated approximately six inches and then turned 90 degrees and exited the side of the water container." Sounds to me like it wouldn't be a good thing to be hit by one of these 5.7x28mn bullets. The killer in the Ft. Hood shooting two years ago used an FN FiveSeven and, unfortunatley, it proved to be quite effective. I have been on a waiting list for the PMR-30 for over a year and someone brought my attention to the FN FiveSeven lately. Cost isn’t an issue and the FN seems to have a lot of good qualities. The following article http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_fnusg_021207/ seems to indicate that the FN can be pretty effective because of its rapid yaw cycle. I am a novice but the author says, “It’s obvious that the rounds yaw quickly as two rounds penetrated approximately six inches and then turned 90 degrees and exited the side of the water container.” Sounds to me like it wouldn’t be a good thing to be hit by one of these 5.7x28mn bullets. The killer in the Ft. Hood shooting two years ago used an FN FiveSeven and, unfortunatley, it proved to be quite effective.

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]]> By: charles222 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-62087 charles222 Thu, 05 May 2011 20:33:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-62087 Really a bit baffled why any civilian would have a perceived need for 5.7 NATO as a defensive cartridge...it was designed to give rear-area troops a fighting chance against Russian commandos with body armor, and was specifically designed to penetrate armor, much like M855 is. It's not supposed to be used on soft targets; the five sweaters or whatever your home invader is wearing to disguise his appearance are not 5.7's optimized home. Unless you're James Bond or something it's just not a terribly good idea when there's plenty of soft-target-oriented rounds on the market. Really a bit baffled why any civilian would have a perceived need for 5.7 NATO as a defensive cartridge…it was designed to give rear-area troops a fighting chance against Russian commandos with body armor, and was specifically designed to penetrate armor, much like M855 is. It’s not supposed to be used on soft targets; the five sweaters or whatever your home invader is wearing to disguise his appearance are not 5.7′s optimized home. Unless you’re James Bond or something it’s just not a terribly good idea when there’s plenty of soft-target-oriented rounds on the market.

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-60875 Heath Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:04:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-60875 Where is the data proving the 5.7 "tumbles" on impact and causes more damage? Paint me a skeptic but I don't buy a jacketed bullet would hold together to tumble. It appears to be another Internet myth perpetrated by the 5.7 fans. If someone can provide the emperical data to show me I'm wrong I'll admit to being wrong. Where is the data proving the 5.7 “tumbles” on impact and causes more damage? Paint me a skeptic but I don’t buy a jacketed bullet would hold together to tumble. It appears to be another Internet myth perpetrated by the 5.7 fans.

If someone can provide the emperical data to show me I’m wrong I’ll admit to being wrong.

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]]> By: samoblack http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-60868 samoblack Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:21:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-60868 Guys, numbers and measurements are nice, but real life is kind a different. To compare the 5.7mm to 9mm its very similar as compare 7.62x39 to .223 round. Which one is better? Well it highly depends on situation. The 5.7 round fired form a pistol has bit more then half the energy of a 9mm, but. There is still a big BUT, if you make tests with gelatin or meat, you will find out (since its actually a shrinked down .223) it will rotate in flesh causing bigger wounds then 9mm, also if you dont directly hit vital organs or bones, it will much likely cause hydrophobic shock easier then 9mm (due to higher impact velocity). There is also one more fact saying that the 5.7 round might be better, its has very flat trajectory so you will hit targets in 100yards, where 9mm is suitable in sub 50m firefights. Other plus is that about same size 9mm pistol will carry about 17 rounds but 5.7 will have 20 rounds. The recoil of 5.7 pistols is much lower then with 9mm giving you higher accuracy by following shots. Then again, try to stop a car driver ramming you with 9mm, yo will do it with 5.7 but not with 9mm. Numbers are nice, but the real life use is different. For ranges around 20-30m Id say 9mm is better (or lets say safer for bystanders). As I said to compare 9mm vs 5.7 its like comparing .223 and 7.62x39. Of course Im bit off topic, but I dont have much knowledge about .22 of any flavor. Guys, numbers and measurements are nice, but real life is kind a different. To compare the 5.7mm to 9mm its very similar as compare 7.62×39 to .223 round. Which one is better? Well it highly depends on situation. The 5.7 round fired form a pistol has bit more then half the energy of a 9mm, but. There is still a big BUT, if you make tests with gelatin or meat, you will find out (since its actually a shrinked down .223) it will rotate in flesh causing bigger wounds then 9mm, also if you dont directly hit vital organs or bones, it will much likely cause hydrophobic shock easier then 9mm (due to higher impact velocity). There is also one more fact saying that the 5.7 round might be better, its has very flat trajectory so you will hit targets in 100yards, where 9mm is suitable in sub 50m firefights. Other plus is that about same size 9mm pistol will carry about 17 rounds but 5.7 will have 20 rounds. The recoil of 5.7 pistols is much lower then with 9mm giving you higher accuracy by following shots. Then again, try to stop a car driver ramming you with 9mm, yo will do it with 5.7 but not with 9mm. Numbers are nice, but the real life use is different. For ranges around 20-30m Id say 9mm is better (or lets say safer for bystanders). As I said to compare 9mm vs 5.7 its like comparing .223 and 7.62×39. Of course Im bit off topic, but I dont have much knowledge about .22 of any flavor.

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]]> By: JOHN HARLAN http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-53958 JOHN HARLAN Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:34:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-53958 I really don't want to kill anyone, but I also am determined not to be a victim. I feel confident I could defend myself with 22 LR, WMR even better! Perpetrators really aren't interested in messing with anyone who will be shooting back at them, particularly 30 rounds in 10 seconds! A PMR 30 would give me all the confidence I need. My vision is to turn perpetrators into victims, but if they are dead, what fun is that?! I really don’t want to kill anyone, but I also am determined not to be a victim. I feel confident I could defend myself with 22 LR, WMR even better! Perpetrators really aren’t interested in messing with anyone who will be shooting back at them, particularly 30 rounds in 10 seconds! A PMR 30 would give me all the confidence I need. My vision is to turn perpetrators into victims, but if they are dead, what fun is that?!

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]]> By: John Mark Harris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-53855 John Mark Harris Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:01:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-53855 But with the Kel-Tec you get 30 .22 MAG. 30 But with the Kel-Tec you get 30 .22 MAG.

30

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]]> By: john harlan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-53636 john harlan Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:09:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-53636 Apples to oranges don't always mean much. A nice, light, inexpensive, well made American pistol that uses easily obtained inexpensive ammo, with a 30 round magazine is a winner. I would certainly back off before I risked being shot by a .22 WMR. I have seen the videos, and the shooters squeezed off a hail of rounds in a very short time, holding on target very well because of the recoil characteristics, and I would choose this weapon over all the others. Apples to oranges don’t always mean much. A nice, light, inexpensive, well made American pistol that uses easily obtained inexpensive ammo, with a 30 round magazine is a winner. I would certainly back off before I risked being shot by a .22 WMR. I have seen the videos, and the shooters squeezed off a hail of rounds in a very short time, holding on target very well because of the recoil characteristics, and I would choose this weapon over all the others.

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]]> By: rey http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-47145 rey Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:21:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-47145 Wayne.....You have to remember that the 5.7 yaws when it hits creating a larger wound channel and depositing full energy within target. Combine that with the energy of the round and it is not just superior, but a far superior round. It is terribly expensive because only FN makes the round (it's been a while since I looked into it cause I sold my five seven years ago). Wolf was going to manufacture it, but never did. Remember also that the recoil on the five seven is almost 22ish (not quite of course), which allows for faster target acquisition and the round is small enough that the five seven magazine holds 20 rounds. The yawing factor is not to be underestimated either, Wayne. It can create far more deadly wounds that any 22 anything period. It moves around and is more likely to take a turn that hits an organ or other sensitive area after impact. Also a larger wound channel. Hope this helps. Wayne…..You have to remember that the 5.7 yaws when it hits creating a larger wound channel and depositing full energy within target. Combine that with the energy of the round and it is not just superior, but a far superior round. It is terribly expensive because only FN makes the round (it’s been a while since I looked into it cause I sold my five seven years ago). Wolf was going to manufacture it, but never did. Remember also that the recoil on the five seven is almost 22ish (not quite of course), which allows for faster target acquisition and the round is small enough that the five seven magazine holds 20 rounds. The yawing factor is not to be underestimated either, Wayne. It can create far more deadly wounds that any 22 anything period. It moves around and is more likely to take a turn that hits an organ or other sensitive area after impact. Also a larger wound channel. Hope this helps.

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]]> By: Nunyabiz http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-47126 Nunyabiz Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:47:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-47126 Fact remains that a .22Mag in such a compact pistol with 30 rounds in it is going to stop any body, in fact a whole lot of somebody's just as fast as anything else. Main thing is accuracy and the ability to carry 30+ rounds in a small package. The PMR30 is good for that and one heck of lot cheaper. All it needs is a 2" longer barrel, like Wayne said barrel length is not the problem with concealment but in 22 magnum it IS the problem when you get something like 350FPS more from just that 2 extra inches. The difference in FPE from a 40gr going 1300 up to 1650 is over 90FPE and flatter shooting. I think 150FPE up to 241FPE is well worth the extra 2" so you can take advantage of this nice round. Fact remains that a .22Mag in such a compact pistol with 30 rounds in it is going to stop any body, in fact a whole lot of somebody’s just as fast as anything else.
Main thing is accuracy and the ability to carry 30+ rounds in a small package.
The PMR30 is good for that and one heck of lot cheaper.

All it needs is a 2″ longer barrel, like Wayne said barrel length is not the problem with concealment but in 22 magnum it IS the problem when you get something like 350FPS more from just that 2 extra inches.
The difference in FPE from a 40gr going 1300 up to 1650 is over 90FPE and flatter shooting. I think 150FPE up to 241FPE is well worth the extra 2″ so you can take advantage of this nice round.

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]]> By: WayneLBurnham http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-47098 WayneLBurnham Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:28:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-47098 I have been reading and rarely commenting on this blog for a while - what an excellent source of durable comment on especially new developments! While looking to replace the CY-lasered KelTec PF9 I had to sell a few months back, I found out about the PMR30 and became intrigued - maybe my dozen+ pocket pistol inventory (including my daily CT lasered P3AT) does not need to be refreshed immediately and maybe I need something different to make up for the coming (finally!) acquisition of a repeater .50BMG... So - I am sold on the PMR30 if I can find one - I will even add a .22WMR NAA minirevolver with a laser to compliment it if I can find one for cheap. To me, from all I have been reading in the past couple of hours, the 5.7 is clearly *somewhat* a superior round. I have only ever shot full auto P90 s and never the Five-Seven, but I have watched the prices over the years and remain aloof. BTW: To Wes in the last posted comment: No, sorry guy, but you have seen wrong data. The .223 out of an M4 still exceeds 2300fps with a 63 grain bullet (I think still north of 1k ftlbs) - and is in a whole other class than the 5.7x28. The neat thing about the 5.7 is its efficiency in rounds per weight and volume (especially length) of the rounds for feeding in a particular magazine of a smaller arm. The .223, even in a kitty-kat (7.5-10.5 in bbl), is completely superior in every regard to the 5.7. Miscomparing advertising BS utilizing unusual optimized illegal-bullets-for-less-than-TSAmolester-commoners like us in bizarre tests designed to meet some new foreign military rigged gubmnt bid conditions to win a contract is way past the apples to oranges stage and more like the grapes to scrap iron area. The 5.7 is a neat and intriguing round, but nowhere near a .223 or even the ancient .22 hornet, except in specific loadings. Similarly it seems to me the .22WMR is yet another half level down in power - but, like the 5.7 to .223 comparison, available in even MORE compact mag configs - 30 rounds of weak 9mm/strong 9mm Mak energy very flat shooting uber cheap .22WMR is a significant reason to consider including one. Like all the .410 revolvers, from the old Thunder 5 to the new Taurii (even in 3 in), the big difference in short pistol vs. carbine or rifle bbl length does make a strong argument for at least a 6 in bbl, if not 8. I really do not get the whole thing about short bbls for concealment. Slim, light and SHORT HEIGHT matter more than a short barrel length as the barrel is usually down along the leg. (I played with carrying my suppressed Glock M20 for years - the full-sized mag well and thickness of the pistol was the issue - and I live in Texas where you wear shorts in the early spring through late fall.) Again, thanks to all for the discussion and input - I think I will end up with one of these little critters fairly soon. I have been reading and rarely commenting on this blog for a while – what an excellent source of durable comment on especially new developments!

While looking to replace the CY-lasered KelTec PF9 I had to sell a few months back, I found out about the PMR30 and became intrigued – maybe my dozen+ pocket pistol inventory (including my daily CT lasered P3AT) does not need to be refreshed immediately and maybe I need something different to make up for the coming (finally!) acquisition of a repeater .50BMG…

So – I am sold on the PMR30 if I can find one – I will even add a .22WMR NAA minirevolver with a laser to compliment it if I can find one for cheap.

To me, from all I have been reading in the past couple of hours, the 5.7 is clearly *somewhat* a superior round. I have only ever shot full auto P90 s and never the Five-Seven, but I have watched the prices over the years and remain aloof.

BTW: To Wes in the last posted comment: No, sorry guy, but you have seen wrong data. The .223 out of an M4 still exceeds 2300fps with a 63 grain bullet (I think still north of 1k ftlbs) – and is in a whole other class than the 5.7×28. The neat thing about the 5.7 is its efficiency in rounds per weight and volume (especially length) of the rounds for feeding in a particular magazine of a smaller arm.

The .223, even in a kitty-kat (7.5-10.5 in bbl), is completely superior in every regard to the 5.7. Miscomparing advertising BS utilizing unusual optimized illegal-bullets-for-less-than-TSAmolester-commoners like us in bizarre tests designed to meet some new foreign military rigged gubmnt bid conditions to win a contract is way past the apples to oranges stage and more like the grapes to scrap iron area.

The 5.7 is a neat and intriguing round, but nowhere near a .223 or even the ancient .22 hornet, except in specific loadings.

Similarly it seems to me the .22WMR is yet another half level down in power – but, like the 5.7 to .223 comparison, available in even MORE compact mag configs – 30 rounds of weak 9mm/strong 9mm Mak energy very flat shooting uber cheap .22WMR is a significant reason to consider including one.

Like all the .410 revolvers, from the old Thunder 5 to the new Taurii (even in 3 in), the big difference in short pistol vs. carbine or rifle bbl length does make a strong argument for at least a 6 in bbl, if not 8.

I really do not get the whole thing about short bbls for concealment. Slim, light and SHORT HEIGHT matter more than a short barrel length as the barrel is usually down along the leg. (I played with carrying my suppressed Glock M20 for years – the full-sized mag well and thickness of the pistol was the issue – and I live in Texas where you wear shorts in the early spring through late fall.)

Again, thanks to all for the discussion and input – I think I will end up with one of these little critters fairly soon.

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]]> By: Wes http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-44299 Wes Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:41:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-44299 If I recall the data correctly the fiveseven pistol is equall to the m4 rifle at it's intended effective ranges. 20yards fiveseven pistol compares to 300yards m4 rifle. End of debate. Physics and human anatomy are something most people lack education in. When the human flesh is hit with a projectile at such high velocity the flesh is forced to absorb such shock. But that's hard for most people to grasp. Just like how water jets can be used to cut steel. If I recall the data correctly the fiveseven pistol is equall to the m4 rifle at it’s intended effective ranges. 20yards fiveseven pistol compares to 300yards m4 rifle. End of debate.

Physics and human anatomy are something most people lack education in. When the human flesh is hit with a projectile at such high velocity the flesh is forced to absorb such shock. But that’s hard for most people to grasp. Just like how water jets can be used to cut steel.

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]]> By: Nunyabiz http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-40739 Nunyabiz Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:10:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-40739 Probably your best bet might be a gun show or two. I bet these are sold faster than they can make them. I emailed the company a few months ago and they said they were bringing out a version with a longer barrel at some point. I would wait for that, 4.3" is too short a barrel for a 22mag. Extra 2" makes a nice difference. Probably your best bet might be a gun show or two.
I bet these are sold faster than they can make them.
I emailed the company a few months ago and they said they were bringing out a version with a longer barrel at some point.
I would wait for that, 4.3″ is too short a barrel for a 22mag.
Extra 2″ makes a nice difference.

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]]> By: cfgarner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-40705 cfgarner Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:32:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-40705 All I want to know is where I can obtain one or two of them. I have been reading about the thing for a long time. I would like to see what it will do. I have an semi auto pistol that fires the 22 mag but I have never enjoyed shooting it. I like the 22 mag in a rifle and hope it will be good in a pistol. All I want to know is where I can obtain one or two of them. I have been reading about the thing for a long time. I would like to see what it will do. I have an semi auto pistol that fires the 22 mag but I have never enjoyed shooting it. I like the 22 mag in a rifle and hope it will be good in a pistol.

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]]> By: Nunyabiz http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-36497 Nunyabiz Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:13:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-36497 My AMT AutomagII shots 22mag at about 1680fps but it has a 6" barrel which is exactly what this PMR30 needs. The PMR30 with 6" barrel and with a detachable butt stock would make a nice little pistol/carbine combo. But 22mag needs at least a 6" barrel. Soon as this pistol becomes available with a 6" barrel I will buy it. My AMT AutomagII shots 22mag at about 1680fps but it has a 6″ barrel which is exactly what this PMR30 needs.
The PMR30 with 6″ barrel and with a detachable butt stock would make a nice little pistol/carbine combo.
But 22mag needs at least a 6″ barrel.

Soon as this pistol becomes available with a 6″ barrel I will buy it.

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-35937 John Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:25:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-35937 I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!! I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-33491 Heath Thu, 13 May 2010 01:41:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-33491 I saw on the Kel Tec facebook page that they expect to ship the PMR-30 out at the end of June. Steve, I just tried to post this on the actual entry for the PMR-30 but don't have the ability to add another comment ... is that by design or is something goofed? http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/ I saw on the Kel Tec facebook page that they expect to ship the PMR-30 out at the end of June.

Steve, I just tried to post this on the actual entry for the PMR-30 but don’t have the ability to add another comment … is that by design or is something goofed?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/

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]]> By: Ron Medcalf http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-30494 Ron Medcalf Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:02:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-30494 In regard to my previous statments I need to add: The Kel-Tec I would NOT use as a self defence side arm ! Tthat is what my 1911 series 70 in .45ACP is for. Also I have a S&W J frame .38 cal for backup. I am curently practicing "Point Shooting" with 2 matching S&W K-22's. I shoot a lot. Last week I shot over 1200 LR rounds. When I go out to shoot my 22's, I shoot 4-500 rounds per visit. The .22 mag has no place in my armory. It would fall into a catagory of mine as a fun gun for plinking and maybe pest control around my country house. A pistol in .22LR & a 30 round mag is something I would love to have. It's purpose is NOT SELF DEFENCE. So I would like to see the P30 in .22LR>>>> Ron In regard to my previous statments I need to add:
The Kel-Tec I would NOT use as a self defence side arm !

Tthat is what my 1911 series 70 in .45ACP is for.
Also I have a S&W J frame .38 cal for backup.

I am curently practicing “Point Shooting” with 2 matching S&W K-22′s. I shoot a lot. Last week I shot over 1200 LR rounds.
When I go out to shoot my 22′s, I shoot 4-500 rounds per visit.

The .22 mag has no place in my armory. It would fall into a catagory of mine as a fun gun for plinking and maybe pest control around my country house.

A pistol in .22LR & a 30 round mag is something I would love to have. It’s purpose is NOT SELF DEFENCE.

So I would like to see the P30 in .22LR>>>>

Ron

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]]> By: rey http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/comment-page-1/#comment-30404 rey Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:33:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9458#comment-30404 You guys are forgetting one very important factor.....That the 5.8x27 yaws or tumbles when it hits, causing a much larger wound channel and causing the round to deliver full energy to the target. This can't be overstated enough. Combine that with the fps differences and we clearly can see why these 2 are NOT comparable. The Five seveN is in a class of its own. It is expensive and it is expensive to shoot, which is why I sold it years ago. You guys are forgetting one very important factor…..That the 5.8×27 yaws or tumbles when it hits, causing a much larger wound channel and causing the round to deliver full energy to the target. This can’t be overstated enough. Combine that with the fps differences and we clearly can see why these 2 are NOT comparable. The Five seveN is in a class of its own. It is expensive and it is expensive to shoot, which is why I sold it years ago.

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