I am a chemical engineer, I like the old school heavy stainless steel guns but I think I’m being like a few other old folks on this forum. Its a gun with low recoil, NO Reason for it to be heavy. I guess it’s out with the old and in with the new. This polymer material is great…I’m going to put one in the collection. I’ll kill my first chupacabra with it.

Supposedly KelTec compensated for the slower burning powder to allow for fully realized WMR potential. IN which case it could be the new standard in crazy cool s..t to own as a guy! And most likely very soon banned in various states as the new “cheap copkiller” gun. Balistically speaking, 22WMR is naturally a vest penetrator like the 57 is, but this new PMR might make gunhaters really wake up to whats been under their noses all along. I’m gonna get mine quick like in the first few weeks out, because they will be banned for sure, then they’ll start going after all the rest because no gun is safe and all they do is kill people. Just you watch! Obama and Billary are already drafting a United Nations unilateral gun ban effectively gutting our 2nd amendment rights and forcing all Americans to relinquish our pistols and semi-auto rifles. “Because they are not made for hunting by the nature of their manually operated, automatic design.” WTF?

First right wing whacko comes and tries it on me will get a new understanding of “Castle Law.” BTW look it up in your state as almost all states allow the invocation of “Castle Law” to protect ones residence and family. It basically means you are justified to kill and not back down or retreat to the interior of you residence if you or your families lives are threatened. Check your local laws and regulations for specifics in regard to this. I do know in my state if my mortal life is threatened on my property, I can shoot whomever the guilty party is, graveyard dead. He doesnt have to be in my front door in my house to die. I will get in serious trouble at first until my counsel brings up the long forgotten about, The Law of the Castle. or “Castle Law”. Then I’ll be let off free as a bird. No jurry or judge can change laws for single cases. Thats supreme court and senate/congress stuff. However, just to be safe, I’ll make sure the guilty party really does deserve to die first. Like some misguided law or military person (just following orders) comming to my door with gun drawn asking for my guns. Aint gonna happen. Google that guy in Louisana who refused to give up his guns to law enforcementeven when they had their guns drawn on him. He said if he went to get his guns for them they would be loaded and pointed right at them. They left, while he finally complied with their request.

Nope. The gelatin tests were done as the inevitable head-to-head comparison of the FN FiveseveN and the Kel-Tec PMR-30. It was done by BrassFetcher who has a lot of credibility in the field of terminal ballistics testing, and it was photographed and posted online by Oleg Volk, whose firearms credentials are unimpeachable.

I’m sorry you don’t like the results, but you should deal with the reality.

I think the PMR-30 has better terminal ballistic performance with heavier bullets, as is the case with .22 LR out of a pistol. Someone should make a long 60-80 gr .22 WMR for pistol use. I may make that a reloading project. The short barrel will not allow for much velocity, so the energy will come from the mass. The longer bullet should penetrate very well for 2-3 inches and then tumble very well, again, based on gelatin tests with .22 LR pistols. A heavy bullet .22 WMR should be a very effective little round.

I wouldn’t spend $900 for the FiveseveN even though it is an interesting pistol, and I wouldn’t buy the expensive ammo either, but I would pay $300 for the Kel-Tec PMR-30 and I’d buy .22 WMR ammo. I suspect many other gun owners feel the same way, based on the initial PMR-30 buzz.

There will be a .22 LR version if Kel-Tec can work out the 30 round magazine. The shorter cartridge makes it more difficult than the WMR magazine. I’d love to have a .22 LR version of the PMR-30 pistol with a 30 round capacity. I’d *really* love it if the .22 LR version had a significantly longer threaded barrel.

There are as many Kel-Tec haters as there are fanboys for FN, Kimber, etc., but Kel-Tec is making some very innovative and interesting weapons, and I like that about them. I like the innovative FN weapons too, but I never get around to buying them because the others seem to have a more favorable fun/$ ratio.

A 22 mag fired out of the PMR-30 would have as much muzzle energy as a .22LR fired out of a rifle. So, if you feel perfectly safe standing, say 56 yards away from someone who’s pouring a 30 round magazine out of his .22 rifle directly at you, because the bullets will “fall out of the air at that distance” then have at it, but I wouldn’t recommend it.

I’ll be looking forward to your test shooting yourself with a .22WMR wearing your magic biker jacket, Stewart!

However, I’m not so sure that a comparison between the FiveseveN pistol and the PMR-30 isn’t somewhat warranted. They’re different, but not completely different ball games, and certainly not completely different games. I don’t dislike the FiveseveN pistol at all, but I think it’s suffering from excessive marketing hype.

When in doubt, do some gelatin testing.

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/35616-1/22WMR_dynapoint_Maximag_9955.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/35619-1/FN57_40gr_9963.jpg

Those look fairly comparable to me.

You admitted the two were similar in round capacity, but I don’t think that’s right. The Kel-Tec PMR-30 has a 30 round magazine, which is 50% more rounds than the FiveseveN (assuming that neither uses extended magazines).

However, the FiveseveN does compensate for the lower capacity by costing an additional 200% more than the PMR-30!

StewartP wrote:
This is definately NOT an assult pistol. Perhaps there is some confusion here with the FN57 pistol. THis in nothing close to that in any way save for the round capacity, but nothing more. NOt even close.

(pulled from an earlier post)
One of the best rounds for .22 magnum in a pistol is the CCI TNT 30 grain load. It uses a faster burning powder and generally acts like a “quality” pistol bullet when fired from a pistol.
Havent tried it yet as we dont even have the gun out yet, but the combination already sounds like a good start.

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/PMR30-handout-v3-31.pdf

Yep, the P-30/P-31 are completely different, more of a Buck Rodgers look

I’m WAITING with a big grin for these to come out…I actually sent Keltec an email about a .22WMR possibility last year but they never responded…now I know why

Definitely going to be first in line to get one, and then test it side-by-side with my P-30 & P-31’s

If KelTec does as well on the PMR-30 as Grendel made theirs…I’ll be their biggest cheerleader EVER on a TON of gun boards

.22 LR 40 gr 900-930 fps:
http://www.naaminis.com/mmlrvel.html

.22 WMR 40 gr 1050-1100 fps
http://www.naaminis.com/mmmagvel.html

It’s more difficult to design a .22LR double stack magazine, but I think Kel-Tec is going to work on it.

I was a bit disappointed by the errors in the original post, which claimed it was the first 30 round .22 WMR pistol when George Kellgren had already done it in the P-30 many years ago, and then claiming the PMR-30 had a fluted chamber when it was the P-30 that had the fluted chamber. It looks like the autor would have either heard of the P-30, or not.

Everyone on here is right. If it looks like a target 22, and its built like a target 22, and if it has this excellent capacity and long barrel then it should ideally be built in 22 long rifle or not at all. Why? Because I assume most can’t afford to shoot 22 magnum all day at the range like we do the affordable 22LR cartridge. Aside from that, I think that the person who said that this would make a great trail gun had it right. If this were small enough to carry I would be all over it like a dog in heat.

This is just me, but if i were building a gun with this excellent capacity it would be for concealed carry. It would be the size of the P-11 or smaller. It would come with two barrels of different lengths. Maybe even different calibers. One barrel for compact carry and the other for target practice. Most pocket 22s out there have a very small capacity. I think this technology should be brought to the pocket realm.

We have since found out that the PMR-30 uses a unique hybrid locking/blowback system to handle the problems brought by the high pressure of the .22WMR