Comments on: Kel-Tec PMR-30 pistol http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:12:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: L. P. DAVIS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-70560 L. P. DAVIS Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:29:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-70560 WHY DO YOU SEND ME E-MAILS ON THE PMR-30 WHEN IT WILL TAKE A YEAR & A HALF BEFORE I COULD GET ONE. IF I HAD A PRODUCT THAT POPULAR & UNABLE TO SUPPLY THE DEMAND I WOULD BE JOB SHOPPING IT OUT. THERE IS MONEY TOBE MADE EITHER WAY. LOOK AT THE TAURUS "PUBLICE DEFENDER". WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT YOU COULD NOT GET IT OR THE "JUDGE". NOW S.& W. IS MAKING THE SAME THING AND CALLING IT THE "GOVENOR". HOW LONG DO YOU THINK BEFORE SOMEONE IN THE GUN INDUSTRY COMES AFTER THE PMR-30 ? I CALLED EVERY GUN STORE IN INDY - MOST DID NOT EVEN WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT IT - EVEN PLACES WHERE I HAVE DONE A LOT OF BUSINESS. THE LAST PLACE I CALLED WAS "BRADIS" THEY SAID THEY HAD 18 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST FOR A PMR-30 AND ONLY GOT ONE PER MONTH THEY WOULDN'T EVEN TAKE MY NAME SINCE THEY ARE OUT 18 MONTHS. - SHAME ! IF SOMEONE DOES COPY IT - THATS IT FOR ME. WHY DO YOU SEND ME E-MAILS ON THE PMR-30 WHEN IT
WILL TAKE A YEAR & A HALF BEFORE I COULD GET ONE.
IF I HAD A PRODUCT THAT POPULAR & UNABLE TO SUPPLY
THE DEMAND I WOULD BE JOB SHOPPING IT OUT. THERE IS
MONEY TOBE MADE EITHER WAY. LOOK AT THE TAURUS
“PUBLICE DEFENDER”. WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT YOU COULD
NOT GET IT OR THE “JUDGE”. NOW S.& W. IS MAKING THE
SAME THING AND CALLING IT THE “GOVENOR”.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK BEFORE SOMEONE IN THE GUN
INDUSTRY COMES AFTER THE PMR-30 ?
I CALLED EVERY GUN STORE IN INDY – MOST DID NOT EVEN
WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT IT – EVEN PLACES WHERE I
HAVE DONE A LOT OF BUSINESS. THE LAST PLACE I CALLED
WAS “BRADIS” THEY SAID THEY HAD 18 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST FOR A PMR-30 AND ONLY GOT ONE PER MONTH
THEY WOULDN’T EVEN TAKE MY NAME SINCE THEY ARE OUT
18 MONTHS. – SHAME ! IF SOMEONE DOES COPY IT – THATS IT FOR ME.

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]]> By: david http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-70500 david Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:57:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-70500 I've heard that FTE is quite common with this gun, what is your experience? I’ve heard that FTE is quite common with this gun, what is your experience?

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]]> By: L. P. DAVIS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-67705 L. P. DAVIS Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:51:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-67705 GOOD LUCK TRYING TO BUY ONE. I'VE TRIED FOR SIX MOS. AND CAN'T EVEN GET ON A WAIT LIST. IF I HAD A PRODUCT THIS MUCH IN DEMAND I WOULD BE WORKING 24/7 OR SUB OUT THE WORK. IF SOMEONE COMES OUT W/ SOMETHING CLOSE TO THIS - I'M GOING WITH THEM ! DON'T THINK I'LL LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET A KEL-TEC. GOOD LUCK TRYING TO BUY ONE. I’VE TRIED FOR SIX MOS.
AND CAN’T EVEN GET ON A WAIT LIST. IF I HAD A PRODUCT
THIS MUCH IN DEMAND I WOULD BE WORKING 24/7 OR SUB
OUT THE WORK. IF SOMEONE COMES OUT W/ SOMETHING
CLOSE TO THIS – I’M GOING WITH THEM ! DON’T THINK I’LL
LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET A KEL-TEC.

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]]> By: Joan Lawson http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-63320 Joan Lawson Fri, 20 May 2011 11:25:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-63320 previous post by dogon: 1013on 24 Nov 2009 at 5:17 am link comment Why not just shoot 9mm? because you can’t fit 30 rounds of 9mm in a flush fit magazine. Plus some people may have a problem with the high recoil of shooting 9mm. High recoil of a 9mm????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE previous post by dogon: 1013on 24 Nov 2009 at 5:17 am link comment
Why not just shoot 9mm? because you can’t fit 30 rounds of 9mm in a flush fit magazine. Plus some people may have a problem with the high recoil of shooting 9mm.

High recoil of a 9mm????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAWOOHOOHOOHEHEHEHE

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]]> By: fortressal http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-60305 fortressal Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:56:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-60305 Carl Wertel-I have been waiting on a PMR-30 also. I finally decided to go ahead and order one at thegunsource.com although they just got 16 of them and they are spoken for mine is on back order with them and will be sent to my nearest gunshop. The advantage is a good price , free shipping and you know its coming. Yes, you can also go to Gunbroker.com and get one faster for much more money. Last time I looked the PMR-30 was selling for $305 and some change at thegunsource. Carl Wertel-I have been waiting on a PMR-30 also. I finally decided to go ahead and order one at thegunsource.com although they just got 16 of them and they are spoken for mine is on back order with them and will be sent to my nearest gunshop. The advantage is a good price , free shipping and you know its coming. Yes, you can also go to Gunbroker.com and get one faster for much more money. Last time I looked the PMR-30 was selling for $305 and some change at thegunsource.

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]]> By: Liberty4Ever http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-60281 Liberty4Ever Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:13:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-60281 @carl wertel - Kel-Tec isn't a big company. They're making about 500 PMR-30 pistols a week. The back order continues, and is likely to continue for some time. 500 per week is a lot for Kel-Tec, but a drop in the bucket compared to the demand. Assume there are 80 million gun owners in the US and only .1% (a tenth of one percent) want a PMR-30. That's 80,000 PMR-30 pistols. At 500 per week, that's about three years. You can pay a lot more on GunBroker to move to the head of the line. Most people don't want to do that. The best bet is to keep your eyes open. Allocated Kel-Tec pistols show up in the oddest places. Some little harware store in rural Pennsylvania will get one and not even know what they have, and will apply their usual markup. You may be in there buying a bologna sandwich, RC Cola and a big moon pie at the lunch counter and look over past the live bait and... is that a PMR-30? @carl wertel – Kel-Tec isn’t a big company. They’re making about 500 PMR-30 pistols a week. The back order continues, and is likely to continue for some time. 500 per week is a lot for Kel-Tec, but a drop in the bucket compared to the demand. Assume there are 80 million gun owners in the US and only .1% (a tenth of one percent) want a PMR-30. That’s 80,000 PMR-30 pistols. At 500 per week, that’s about three years. You can pay a lot more on GunBroker to move to the head of the line. Most people don’t want to do that. The best bet is to keep your eyes open. Allocated Kel-Tec pistols show up in the oddest places. Some little harware store in rural Pennsylvania will get one and not even know what they have, and will apply their usual markup. You may be in there buying a bologna sandwich, RC Cola and a big moon pie at the lunch counter and look over past the live bait and… is that a PMR-30?

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]]> By: carl wertel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-60255 carl wertel Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:27:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-60255 how the heck can i get one??? I have been trying since december 2010 through local dealer - this is april 2011. Is keltec keeping these pmr-30 for themselves?? I lost their phone number- can anyone help? thank you how the heck can i get one??? I have
been trying since december 2010 through
local dealer – this is april 2011. Is keltec
keeping these pmr-30 for themselves??
I lost their phone number- can anyone help?
thank you

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]]> By: Steve Sterling http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59378 Steve Sterling Sun, 03 Apr 2011 11:13:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59378 For all you Kel-tek and .22 mag basher's....Get this.Don't Buy One!!! For all you Kel-tek and .22 mag basher’s….Get this.Don’t Buy One!!!

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]]> By: Liberty4Ever http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59369 Liberty4Ever Sun, 03 Apr 2011 02:57:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59369 PMR-30 repair is usually quoted as six weeks, but two weeks round trip is much more common. PMR-30 repair is usually quoted as six weeks, but two weeks round trip is much more common.

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]]> By: ankenytom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59254 ankenytom Fri, 01 Apr 2011 03:41:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59254 Thank you Liberty4ever and Tickertape for that information. Only magizine of the two supplied has a problem. He used the method in the manual like you explained but, one holds 30 rounds, and the other mag he can only get 15 into using the very same method. Tried this several times. Maybe he doing it wrong somehow. The one mag works fine, and holds all 30 rounds. The sub-shallow rifling makes sense for the tumbling issue, but that goes back to quality control issue's at the factory. What is the turn-around time on sending a PMR-30 in for service these days? ankenytom Thank you Liberty4ever and Tickertape for that information. Only magizine of the two supplied has a problem. He used the method in the manual like you explained but, one holds 30 rounds, and the other mag he can only get 15 into using the very same method. Tried this several times. Maybe he doing it wrong somehow. The one mag works fine, and holds all 30 rounds. The sub-shallow rifling makes sense for the tumbling issue, but that goes back to quality control issue’s at the factory. What is the turn-around time on sending a PMR-30 in for service these days? ankenytom

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]]> By: Liberty4Ever http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59210 Liberty4Ever Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:47:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59210 There have been sporadic complaints of tumbling bullets lately on KTOG.org, the Kel-Tec Owner's Group forum. Apparently, the PMR-30 has shallow rifling, or at least some of the recent production PMR-30 pistols might have had shallower than normal rifling. Try cleaning the bore thoroughly. If the rifling is clogged with fouling, you're essentially shooting a smooth bore and you'll get tumbling bullets. My Glock 20 is shooting tumbling bullets right now because I've shot a lot of cast lead in the polygonal rifling, which is a major no-no! If the barrels are defective, Kel-Tec will replace them. They have a great warranty and service. Stay tuned. As Ticker Tape said, make sure you do the load-and-tap method of magazine loading described in the manual. Otherwise, you'll get rim lock trying to load 30 rounds of rimfire ammo in a double stack magazine. Hopefully, that'll fix your magazine problem. There have been sporadic complaints of tumbling bullets lately on KTOG.org, the Kel-Tec Owner’s Group forum. Apparently, the PMR-30 has shallow rifling, or at least some of the recent production PMR-30 pistols might have had shallower than normal rifling. Try cleaning the bore thoroughly. If the rifling is clogged with fouling, you’re essentially shooting a smooth bore and you’ll get tumbling bullets. My Glock 20 is shooting tumbling bullets right now because I’ve shot a lot of cast lead in the polygonal rifling, which is a major no-no! If the barrels are defective, Kel-Tec will replace them. They have a great warranty and service. Stay tuned.

As Ticker Tape said, make sure you do the load-and-tap method of magazine loading described in the manual. Otherwise, you’ll get rim lock trying to load 30 rounds of rimfire ammo in a double stack magazine. Hopefully, that’ll fix your magazine problem.

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]]> By: Ticker Tape http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59175 Ticker Tape Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:29:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59175 Ankenytom, You may want to tell your friend to go back to the manual and reference the loading mag. section. If you don't follow the instructions the mag will not load all 30 rounds. is not loaded as a normal mag Have a Good Day. Ticker Tape Ankenytom,

You may want to tell your friend to go back to the manual and reference the loading mag. section. If you don’t follow the instructions the mag will not load all 30 rounds. is not loaded as a normal mag

Have a Good Day.
Ticker Tape

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]]> By: ankenytom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-59141 ankenytom Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:30:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-59141 I have a friend that just got his PMR-30. He took it to the range and was shooting at about 15 feet or at 10 inch bullseye targets. He had many bullets that hit the target pigionholed or whatever they call it. The bullets seem to be tumbling when they hit the paper targets. He was using factory Magum rimfire ammo from CCI, MAXI-MAG 40 GR., and Winchester Supreme hollowpoints 32 Grain. Accuracy was not great either at this range. It did not jam once though, just was wondering what might be causing the bullets to tumble and make distorted and enlarged holes in the paper target at close range. That was problem number one. Problem #2 seems that quality control took the day off, on however manfactures the 30 round magizines. I don't know if that is Kel-Tek themselves or contracted or outsourced to someone esle to manuafacturer. This the problem. The 30 round extra mag that came with the gun in the box ONLY HELD 15 ROUNDS MAX! I surely wonder what may have happened there? The guns are very lightweight (15-16 oz.),and seem well made and have a decent trigger pull, I guess to be around 5-6 pound pull. I really like the sights that come with them, good sighting plain and alignment with contrasting colors, front to back.The underlug of the barrel has a picitinny rail for lasers or weapons light. Lastly, for the volume Kel-Tec claims to be pumping out of the factory, 500 a week, they are VERY SLOW getting to the dealers shelves. They seem to go for $350-400 out the door here in the Northwest. I have seen a couple at gun shows in my area for as high as $500.00, Retail, just bit way ABOVE the MSRP for this handgun! Supply and demand I guess. Any body have any ideas for the ammo tumble problems? I have a friend that just got his PMR-30. He took it to the range and was shooting at about 15 feet or at 10 inch bullseye targets. He had many bullets that hit the target pigionholed or whatever they call it. The bullets seem to be tumbling when they hit the paper targets. He was using factory Magum rimfire ammo from CCI, MAXI-MAG 40 GR., and Winchester Supreme hollowpoints 32 Grain. Accuracy was not great either at this range. It did not jam once though, just was wondering what might be causing the bullets to tumble and make distorted and enlarged holes in the paper target at close range. That was problem number one. Problem #2 seems that quality control took the day off, on however manfactures the 30 round magizines. I don’t know if that is Kel-Tek themselves or contracted or outsourced to someone esle to manuafacturer. This the problem. The 30 round extra mag that came with the gun in the box ONLY HELD 15 ROUNDS MAX! I surely wonder what may have happened there? The guns are very lightweight (15-16 oz.),and seem well made and have a decent trigger pull, I guess to be around 5-6 pound pull. I really like the sights that come with them, good sighting plain and alignment with contrasting colors, front to back.The underlug of the barrel has a picitinny rail for lasers or weapons light. Lastly, for the volume Kel-Tec claims to be pumping out of the factory, 500 a week, they are VERY SLOW getting to the dealers shelves. They seem to go for $350-400 out the door here in the Northwest. I have seen a couple at gun shows in my area for as high as $500.00, Retail, just bit way ABOVE the MSRP for this handgun! Supply and demand I guess. Any body have any ideas for the ammo tumble problems?

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]]> By: Ticker Tape http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-56848 Ticker Tape Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:37:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-56848 Hey Skippys I either need to know where your buying cheap 9MM or not know where your buying high price 22 Mag. Even so I didn't think you can PUT a price on personal protection. This is one great personal protection weapon, check your ballistics. More personal protection situations occure within 8 to 15 feet than an other distance. I will sooner carry 30 round of 22 Mag than 15 round of 9MM for bulk,Confort, weight, recoil and CONTROLLED FIRING AND EFFICIENCY. If you've every been in protection fire fight you would know that more smaller rounds are better in a rapid fire situation than less larger rounds, that is short of A hand grenade. REMEMBER - YOU HAVE TO PAY TO STAY and PLAY!! Keep your eyes open and head down, Have a great Day ALL!!! Hey Skippys
I either need to know where your buying cheap 9MM or not know where your buying high price 22 Mag. Even so I didn’t think you can PUT a price on personal protection.
This is one great personal protection weapon, check your ballistics.
More personal protection situations occure within 8 to 15 feet than an other distance.
I will sooner carry 30 round of 22 Mag than 15 round of 9MM for bulk,Confort, weight, recoil and CONTROLLED FIRING AND EFFICIENCY.
If you’ve every been in protection fire fight you would know that more smaller rounds are better in a rapid fire situation than less larger rounds, that is short of A hand grenade.

REMEMBER – YOU HAVE TO PAY TO STAY and PLAY!!
Keep your eyes open and head down, Have a great Day ALL!!!

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]]> By: Erik "BULL" A. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-56830 Erik "BULL" A. Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:03:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-56830 This is a "poor mans 5.7" friends. I got both and the PMR30 is nearly as lethal as my FN! All that at less than 1/2 the price to own and shoot. This is a “poor mans 5.7″ friends. I got both and the PMR30 is nearly as lethal as my FN! All that at less than 1/2 the price to own and shoot.

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]]> By: LONZO http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-56012 LONZO Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:54:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-56012 Yeah, I haven't seen them either. I've got my favorite gun shop trying to locate one for me. Yeah, I haven’t seen them either. I’ve got my favorite gun shop trying to locate one for me.

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-56001 Heath Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:05:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-56001 I'm still not seeing any of these on the shelves in the gun shops. I assume what they're getting in is going out for those who got their names on waiting lists at the individual stores. I’m still not seeing any of these on the shelves in the gun shops. I assume what they’re getting in is going out for those who got their names on waiting lists at the individual stores.

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]]> By: LONZO http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-55974 LONZO Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:03:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-55974 I like the idea of a .22LR on steroids. .22 mag. in a 30 round clip is appealing to me. It may be as cheap to shoot 9mm, but if you want a firearm with good capacity with a lot less weight and recoil this would be the ticket. Any 9mm with very high capacity weighs much more because of the weight of the cartridges. I think I'm going to give it a try. I like the idea of a .22LR on steroids. .22 mag. in a 30 round clip is appealing to me. It may be as cheap to shoot 9mm, but if you want a firearm with good capacity with a lot less weight and recoil this would be the ticket. Any 9mm with very high capacity weighs much more because of the weight of the cartridges. I think I’m going to give it a try.

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]]> By: Michael http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-54339 Michael Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:36:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-54339 Can I legally purchase and own the pistol with the 30-round magazine if I live in California? Thanks folks. Michael Can I legally purchase and own the pistol with the 30-round magazine if I live in California?

Thanks folks.

Michael

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]]> By: dominic cappuccilli http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-53699 dominic cappuccilli Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:15:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9438#comment-53699 sounds good, can't wait to get one. sounds good, can’t wait to get one.

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