Comments on: FN confirms SCAR 17S for 2010 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bill http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-81920 Bill Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:30:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-81920 From a scientific standpoint we need to look at the evidence, if something happens once, or was something someone heard through a friend...it's probably not as reliable. Plastic/polymers are very reliable and durable within the function they were designed. If you try to use scar 17s stock as a hammer or bludgeon tool, it will probably break. But if you use it for its intended purpose it will probably last a very long time. Metal construction is not always better. All rifles have strengths and weaknesses, and lemons, no matter their composition. From a scientific standpoint we need to look at the evidence, if something happens once, or was something someone heard through a friend…it’s probably not as reliable. Plastic/polymers are very reliable and durable within the function they were designed. If you try to use scar 17s stock as a hammer or bludgeon tool, it will probably break. But if you use it for its intended purpose it will probably last a very long time. Metal construction is not always better. All rifles have strengths and weaknesses, and lemons, no matter their composition.

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]]> By: Tom McIntire http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-45262 Tom McIntire Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:22:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-45262 I am very sorry to see this site diagress into : 1. Mine is Better Than yours. 2. This Company is Better than that. 3. I am right, you are wrong. 4. I am smart you are dumb. 5. This gun is better than that. Sounds like a few kids squabling. I think most guns have their better and worst qualities. Arguing about it isn't going to convert anyone to your way of thinking. Differnt Companies are constantly trying to find improvements in what they produce in order to gain a larger share of the market; be it civilian or military. Over the years guns and markets have improved. Companies do this in order to stay in business and increase their profit. This is how the world turns. It isn't all bad for us " The Consumer ! " The bad ideas and companies dissapear and the good ones stay in business. To me, it seems, that the choice we make in our personal firearms is a personal preference. For us to argue which one is best or not is just free advertisement for the companies. Let them convince us, through advertisements and informercials why theirs is better than the competion ! AIN'T CAPITALISM "{ GRAND ! } " I am very sorry to see this site diagress into :

1. Mine is Better Than yours.
2. This Company is Better than that.
3. I am right, you are wrong.
4. I am smart you are dumb.
5. This gun is better than that.

Sounds like a few kids squabling.
I think most guns have their better and worst qualities. Arguing about it isn’t going to convert anyone to your way of thinking.

Differnt Companies are constantly trying to find improvements in what they produce in order to gain a larger share of the market; be it civilian or military. Over the years guns and markets have improved. Companies do this in order to stay in business and increase their profit.

This is how the world turns. It isn’t all bad for us
” The Consumer ! ” The bad ideas and companies dissapear and the good ones stay in business.

To me, it seems, that the choice we make in our personal firearms is a personal preference. For us to argue which one is best or not is just free advertisement for the companies.

Let them convince us, through advertisements and informercials why theirs is better than the competion !

AIN’T CAPITALISM “{ GRAND ! } “

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]]> By: johnny c http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-45127 johnny c Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:43:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-45127 Hey subby, both of those other gun makers you mentioned do not make a 7.62x51 rifles Hey subby, both of those other gun makers you mentioned do not make a 7.62×51 rifles

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]]> By: Tactical Joke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-33471 Tactical Joke Wed, 12 May 2010 20:32:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-33471 I'll be interested when FN starts selling replacement parts and I can get a short barrel. Until then, FN might as well be Heckler und Koch in my eyes and I have no interest. YMMV. I’ll be interested when FN starts selling replacement parts and I can get a short barrel. Until then, FN might as well be Heckler und Koch in my eyes and I have no interest. YMMV.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-31413 Lance Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:22:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-31413 Better ergonnomics size and weight. and more durable. Better ergonnomics size and weight. and more durable.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-31412 Lance Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:21:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-31412 Get the H&K its far far better. Get the H&K its far far better.

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]]> By: kay http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-31405 kay Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:37:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-31405 I've been looking to buy 308 rifle my first choice was the h&k 417. But now I'm thinking about getting the scar 17s. I wanted to know which was better ? I’ve been looking to buy 308 rifle my first choice was the h&k 417. But now I’m thinking about getting the scar 17s. I wanted to know which was better ?

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]]> By: Joey Jingles http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-30892 Joey Jingles Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:00:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-30892 This last wednesday Michael Bane was with FN and the show was about the 308 rifles and specs. In the show they had an ACU pattern camo SCAR. Is there any indication that another camo beside the dark earth is coming ?? Might also like feedback in buying. This week I have searched for HK SL8-6, and Sig 556, and Colt LE 6920, and now the FN 16. Anyone shot them all that can give hands on opinions ? This last wednesday Michael Bane was with FN and the show was about the 308 rifles and specs. In the show they had an ACU pattern camo SCAR. Is there any indication that another camo beside the dark earth is coming ??

Might also like feedback in buying. This week I have searched for HK SL8-6, and Sig 556, and Colt LE 6920, and now the FN 16. Anyone shot them all that can give hands on opinions ?

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]]> By: Destroyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-26594 Destroyer Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:26:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-26594 well anybody can fire the weapons, but do you actually maintain them? work on them? take them apart at armorer level? there is a lot more than field stripping and firing a weapon: you have to understand the metallurgy, the mechanics, physics, and chemical reactions that go on inside them. Like it or not, the SCAR is an improvement over the M4/M16...that is why it is being tested. It is important to test instead of staying with the same platform for decades. The AR15 direct impingement design is obsolete (BUT A FINE WEAPON FOR CIVILIANS AND POLICE), kindly get over it. well anybody can fire the weapons, but do you actually maintain them? work on them? take them apart at armorer level? there is a lot more than field stripping and firing a weapon: you have to understand the metallurgy, the mechanics, physics, and chemical reactions that go on inside them. Like it or not, the SCAR is an improvement over the M4/M16…that is why it is being tested. It is important to test instead of staying with the same platform for decades.

The AR15 direct impingement design is obsolete (BUT A FINE WEAPON FOR CIVILIANS AND POLICE), kindly get over it.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-24647 Lance Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:13:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-24647 Colt Remington/Bsuhmaster, Ruger, H&K and IZMASH Colt Remington/Bsuhmaster, Ruger, H&K and IZMASH

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-24646 Lance Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:12:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-24646 Destroyer I work for the DHS anwhich can be parts of the DOO ive fired more wepons that you can dream of. Ive talked to people they have problems with this plastic gun. Destroyer I work for the DHS anwhich can be parts of the DOO ive fired more wepons that you can dream of. Ive talked to people they have problems with this plastic gun.

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]]> By: Destroyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-24604 Destroyer Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:39:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-24604 "The SCAR has problems with heating I doubt you ever even handeled one so theH id think you fallen for comercial hype." Funny thing, i have never heard of the supposed problems that the SCAR has from my brother in 75th Ranger Bat (you want to talk about a prick when it comes to firearms...). I think you just don't like how the SCAR looks lance...every post about the SCAR you bash FN. You don't even know what you are talking about. There's a reason why FN is among the top sellers of small arms in the world...it lives up to John Browning's legacy. Please name a better firearms company....I dare you! “The SCAR has problems with heating I doubt you ever even handeled one so theH id think you fallen for comercial hype.”

Funny thing, i have never heard of the supposed problems that the SCAR has from my brother in 75th Ranger Bat (you want to talk about a prick when it comes to firearms…). I think you just don’t like how the SCAR looks lance…every post about the SCAR you bash FN. You don’t even know what you are talking about. There’s a reason why FN is among the top sellers of small arms in the world…it lives up to John Browning’s legacy. Please name a better firearms company….I dare you!

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-23927 Lance Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:20:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-23927 The SCAR has problems with heating I doubt you ever even handeled one so theH id think you fallen for comercial hype. The SCAR has problems with heating I doubt you ever even handeled one so theH id think you fallen for comercial hype.

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]]> By: theH http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-23870 theH Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:37:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-23870 "Id take my M-14 over a FN pice of junk anyday. The FAL is FNs only tru successful 7.62 rifle." Yeah im sure FN makes pieces of junk since FN manufactures 70% of the US military's small arms... the SCAR 17S is a brand new rifle...comparing its success to the "right arm of freedom" is a little early to say the least. My contention stands: the SCAR series of rifles are BA. Go FN! “Id take my M-14 over a FN pice of junk anyday. The FAL is FNs only tru successful 7.62 rifle.”

Yeah im sure FN makes pieces of junk since FN manufactures 70% of the US military’s small arms…

the SCAR 17S is a brand new rifle…comparing its success to the “right arm of freedom” is a little early to say the least.

My contention stands: the SCAR series of rifles are BA. Go FN!

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]]> By: Lex http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18506 Lex Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:59:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18506 Why did FN delay the release? One reason is that they might have a backlog and the other is marketing.... FN used the SCAR rifles to force dealers to buy packages of their guns. This year, to get allocation for 3 SCAR rifles, you had to buy a PS-90, FS-2000, 2 FNAR's, 1 or 2 Five Sevens, 2 shotguns, and a number of FMP9's, 40's, and 45's if my memory serves me right..... Either way, in order to have the option to buy the SCARS, you had to buy $8k to $10k in other guns. The market has fallen off for just about all kinds of guns, including the SCAR's which are barely selling for over cost on certain places like GunBroker. FN stopped production of the model of free guns that the dealers were supposed to get as part of a package and offered a different model. They knew they had a commitment and stopped production anyway forcing dealers to take a different model (regardless if they wanted it or not). FN will release the SCAR .308 at SHOT Show this year as a way to force dealers to buy their crap that is dead weight. Most smart dealers won't buy into it because they know the market is dead and FN guns aren't holding their value at all - a lot like the Five Seven models are being sold right at dealer cost on GunBroker. The reality is that the .308 will be even more overpriced than the .223 version and the dealers that buy the packages will get stuck with a lot work to move the poor selling guns just to make a few bucks on the SCAR .308 models... Sadly, the best thing to happen to FN this year is the shooter at Ft. Hood used a Five Seven and FN got a hell of a lot of free publicity. Even with all that publicity, it didn't bring the value of the gun up above dealer cost... Am I bitter towards FN, yep. Just like Sig Sauer - they care about making a buck off their dealers and once they get paid, they could care less about you as a dealer. Why did FN delay the release? One reason is that they might have a backlog and the other is marketing…. FN used the SCAR rifles to force dealers to buy packages of their guns. This year, to get allocation for 3 SCAR rifles, you had to buy a PS-90, FS-2000, 2 FNAR’s, 1 or 2 Five Sevens, 2 shotguns, and a number of FMP9′s, 40′s, and 45′s if my memory serves me right….. Either way, in order to have the option to buy the SCARS, you had to buy $8k to $10k in other guns.

The market has fallen off for just about all kinds of guns, including the SCAR’s which are barely selling for over cost on certain places like GunBroker. FN stopped production of the model of free guns that the dealers were supposed to get as part of a package and offered a different model. They knew they had a commitment and stopped production anyway forcing dealers to take a different model (regardless if they wanted it or not).

FN will release the SCAR .308 at SHOT Show this year as a way to force dealers to buy their crap that is dead weight. Most smart dealers won’t buy into it because they know the market is dead and FN guns aren’t holding their value at all – a lot like the Five Seven models are being sold right at dealer cost on GunBroker.

The reality is that the .308 will be even more overpriced than the .223 version and the dealers that buy the packages will get stuck with a lot work to move the poor selling guns just to make a few bucks on the SCAR .308 models…

Sadly, the best thing to happen to FN this year is the shooter at Ft. Hood used a Five Seven and FN got a hell of a lot of free publicity. Even with all that publicity, it didn’t bring the value of the gun up above dealer cost…

Am I bitter towards FN, yep. Just like Sig Sauer – they care about making a buck off their dealers and once they get paid, they could care less about you as a dealer.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18498 subby Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:51:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18498 FN should just get over themselves and just call the rifle its true name. The SCAR SPECIAL FORCES RIFLE! FN should just get over themselves and just call the rifle its true name. The SCAR SPECIAL FORCES RIFLE!

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18468 Lance Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:04:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18468 Id take my M-14 over a FN pice of junk anyday. The FAL is FNs only tru successful 7.62 rifle. Id take my M-14 over a FN pice of junk anyday. The FAL is FNs only tru successful 7.62 rifle.

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]]> By: Martin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18457 Martin Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:18:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18457 Does anyone know why there is a silly little chunk of plastic on the end of the 308 mag? I don't see the purpose. Does anyone know why there is a silly little chunk of plastic on the end of the 308 mag? I don’t see the purpose.

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]]> By: SCARred http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18453 SCARred Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:04:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18453 I wonder how long before FN announces a "limited edition" black SCAR-H. Gets tiresome after a while. I wanted one of these but I have a limit to how much I want to be taken for by the manufacturers for what is a relatively cheaply made mass production gun. I wonder how long before FN announces a “limited edition” black SCAR-H. Gets tiresome after a while. I wanted one of these but I have a limit to how much I want to be taken for by the manufacturers for what is a relatively cheaply made mass production gun.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/18/fn-confirms-scar-17s-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-18416 Steve Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:21:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9273#comment-18416 How, I don't think they will be .308. How, I don’t think they will be .308.

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