Comments on: Walther patents anti-disassembly mechanism http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ken http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18169 Ken Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:08:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18169 Matt...lol low IQ...true. Matt…lol low IQ…true.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18163 Carl Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:12:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18163 I remove the magazine, then rack the slide a couple of times, then make sure the chamber is empty, then ride the slide home until it's almost closed, then again check that there is no brass in the chamber (with the slide almost in battery). Then I aim and fire in a safe direction (half expecting it to go bang). Safety mechanisms should make sure that the firearm won't discharge on it's own when carried or handled or possibly struck or dropped. They should not replace the brain of the operator. I remove the magazine, then rack the slide a couple of times, then make sure the chamber is empty, then ride the slide home until it’s almost closed, then again check that there is no brass in the chamber (with the slide almost in battery). Then I aim and fire in a safe direction (half expecting it to go bang).

Safety mechanisms should make sure that the firearm won’t discharge on it’s own when carried or handled or possibly struck or dropped. They should not replace the brain of the operator.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18158 Steve Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:19:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18158 R.A.W., my thoughts exactly. R.A.W., my thoughts exactly.

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]]> By: R.A.W. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18157 R.A.W. Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:06:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18157 So you're telling me that if a little piece of case rim shreds off and gets stuck, and clogs up the underside of the extractor, it'll be impossible to pull the pistol apart to fix the problem? Err, yeah. Great idea. So you’re telling me that if a little piece of case rim shreds off and gets stuck, and clogs up the underside of the extractor, it’ll be impossible to pull the pistol apart to fix the problem?

Err, yeah. Great idea.

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]]> By: Simon_the_Brit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18127 Simon_the_Brit Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:56:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18127 Another solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. Another solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist.

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]]> By: Tom Stone http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18118 Tom Stone Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:31:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18118 I follow the same procedure Jafo does due to good training.The Santa Rosa Ca PD got rid of their Glocks a few years ago because of numerous negligent discharges.I am REAL careful whenever I am near one of their cops because it speaks very loudly to me about the quality of their training. I follow the same procedure Jafo does due to good training.The Santa Rosa Ca PD got rid of their Glocks a few years ago because of numerous negligent discharges.I am REAL careful whenever I am near one of their cops because it speaks very loudly to me about the quality of their training.

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]]> By: JAFO http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18100 JAFO Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:29:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18100 This is nothing more than the other side of the old saying: "If you make something idiot-proof, they'll come up with better idiots". KP and Ermac nailed this one. My one and only AD was due to not checking the chamber. I then adopted the habit of putting my finger in the chamber AFTER I looked into it, and wiping my finger across the breach face, and haven't had one since. Wiping the breech face doesn't do anything to clear the weapon, other than force me to look at the breach. My AD was caused by a faulty extractor hanging onto the round (I'd held my weapon out, dropped mag, racked slide and observed chamber at arm's length, then slingshotted the weapon, pulled the trig...BANG!) Complacency breeds sloppiness. Sloppiness breeds accidents. I had thought I was being OCD and silly when checking weapons 3 times before considering them safe. Now I've gone the other way- as above, I am effectively checking the weapon 3 times ("chamber clear, breech clear, magwell clear, weapon is clear" is what I say as I do it), with a reinforcer of physically touching each component so I don't get sloppy with the Mark-1 eyeball. It's not unusual to see me repeat the whole damn thing 3 times in a row before I'll hand a weapon over to someone, either. I'm to the point if I clear the weapon, know there's no ammo for it in the house/building, and turn around and pick the weapon back up, I'll do it all over again. I taught my son the same thing. He's 9 and I trust him FAR more with a weapon in his hand than I do most adults. Train 'em right, train 'em often, and train 'em young. This is nothing more than the other side of the old saying:

“If you make something idiot-proof, they’ll come up with better idiots”.

KP and Ermac nailed this one. My one and only AD was due to not checking the chamber. I then adopted the habit of putting my finger in the chamber AFTER I looked into it, and wiping my finger across the breach face, and haven’t had one since.

Wiping the breech face doesn’t do anything to clear the weapon, other than force me to look at the breach. My AD was caused by a faulty extractor hanging onto the round (I’d held my weapon out, dropped mag, racked slide and observed chamber at arm’s length, then slingshotted the weapon, pulled the trig…BANG!)

Complacency breeds sloppiness. Sloppiness breeds accidents. I had thought I was being OCD and silly when checking weapons 3 times before considering them safe. Now I’ve gone the other way- as above, I am effectively checking the weapon 3 times (“chamber clear, breech clear, magwell clear, weapon is clear” is what I say as I do it), with a reinforcer of physically touching each component so I don’t get sloppy with the Mark-1 eyeball. It’s not unusual to see me repeat the whole damn thing 3 times in a row before I’ll hand a weapon over to someone, either. I’m to the point if I clear the weapon, know there’s no ammo for it in the house/building, and turn around and pick the weapon back up, I’ll do it all over again.

I taught my son the same thing. He’s 9 and I trust him FAR more with a weapon in his hand than I do most adults.

Train ‘em right, train ‘em often, and train ‘em young.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18092 Matt Groom Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:52:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18092 Now, if only they could invent a mechanism that prevents people with low IQs from firing the gun, we'd end nearly all gun crime on Earth. "I iz a GANGSTA, yo! Give us dem' greenz!" "Uhh, no." "Dang!" "Looks like your gun doesn't work. You must be an idiot." Plus, you'd stop all the mass murders. Nobody ever looks at someone like Cho Seung Hui or Nidal Malik Hasan and says "Whatever his motivations, he must have been very, very smart." Now, if only they could invent a mechanism that prevents people with low IQs from firing the gun, we’d end nearly all gun crime on Earth.

“I iz a GANGSTA, yo! Give us dem’ greenz!”
“Uhh, no.”
“Dang!”
“Looks like your gun doesn’t work. You must be an idiot.”

Plus, you’d stop all the mass murders. Nobody ever looks at someone like Cho Seung Hui or Nidal Malik Hasan and says “Whatever his motivations, he must have been very, very smart.”

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]]> By: nwhobbies http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18091 nwhobbies Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:27:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18091 So, you don't know how to disassemble a Glock WITHOUT pulling the trigger? I've been doing it for years. Ask me via email and I'll explain. Earl G. Nash 2 Nashes, LLC LWD Certified Armorer for Glock Pistols So, you don’t know how to disassemble a Glock WITHOUT pulling the trigger? I’ve been doing it for years.

Ask me via email and I’ll explain.

Earl G. Nash
2 Nashes, LLC
LWD Certified Armorer for Glock Pistols

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]]> By: guy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18081 guy Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:25:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18081 Extractor mechanisms can already be a huge source of feed problems. Making them even more complicated sounds like a really bad idea. Extractor mechanisms can already be a huge source of feed problems. Making them even more complicated sounds like a really bad idea.

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]]> By: Vote For David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18076 Vote For David Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:12:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18076 This will lead to someone being shot. You CAN'T idiot-proof something designed to kill people, sorry. Remember: "Mechanical safety devices breed complacency" This will lead to someone being shot. You CAN’T idiot-proof something designed to kill people, sorry.

Remember:

“Mechanical safety devices breed complacency”

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]]> By: Forrest Taft http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18075 Forrest Taft Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:09:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18075 Don't drop it! Train so that holding on to your defensive tool, whatever it may be, does not leave your person. BTW, the PPS is a fine defensive tool and a solid platform, plus very accurate. Don’t drop it! Train so that holding on to your defensive tool, whatever it may be, does not leave your person. BTW, the PPS is a fine defensive tool and a solid platform, plus very accurate.

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18074 Don Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:07:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18074 I have a gadget which prevents the disassembly of any pistol with a round chambered. I call it an "eye". You can use it for aiming too. Very multi-functional. -Don I have a gadget which prevents the disassembly of any pistol with a round chambered. I call it an “eye”. You can use it for aiming too. Very multi-functional.

-Don

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]]> By: Freiheit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18072 Freiheit Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:13:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18072 laurent - Is that by design or coincidence? The 1911 is similar, you have to get the chamber about half open to get the slide release out. I agree that extra 'safety' features on guns are useless and dangerous. You rely on yourself and the 4 rules and NEVER replace those with mechanical devices. laurent – Is that by design or coincidence? The 1911 is similar, you have to get the chamber about half open to get the slide release out.

I agree that extra ‘safety’ features on guns are useless and dangerous. You rely on yourself and the 4 rules and NEVER replace those with mechanical devices.

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]]> By: War Wolf http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18068 War Wolf Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:40:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18068 My EDC pistol is a Walther PPS and it has the removable backstrap that renders the pistol inoperable once removed. I love the pistol because it carries so well but I have often worried that if it were ever dropped in a stressful situation it may break off and leave me with nothing more than a heavy object to throw at the bad guy. My EDC pistol is a Walther PPS and it has the removable backstrap that renders the pistol inoperable once removed. I love the pistol because it carries so well but I have often worried that if it were ever dropped in a stressful situation it may break off and leave me with nothing more than a heavy object to throw at the bad guy.

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]]> By: laurent http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18064 laurent Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:34:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18064 I think Sig are better than Glock on one point : the idiot-proof disassembly. Since you have to open the chamber before being able to get the lever down, you can't fail. I think Sig are better than Glock on one point : the idiot-proof disassembly. Since you have to open the chamber before being able to get the lever down, you can’t fail.

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]]> By: Tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18063 Tom Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:26:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18063 Given the number of people who shoot themselves while cleaning their guns every year, the Glock argument might not be such a bad one. Given the number of people who shoot themselves while cleaning their guns every year, the Glock argument might not be such a bad one.

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]]> By: KP http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18062 KP Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:08:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18062 someone who doesn't check the chamber before cleaning, or before HANDLING, is so stupid I'd rather they shoot themselves than someone else. someone who doesn’t check the chamber before cleaning, or before HANDLING, is so stupid I’d rather they shoot themselves than someone else.

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]]> By: Ermac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/13/walther-patents-anti-disassembly-mechanism/comment-page-1/#comment-18056 Ermac Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:35:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=9177#comment-18056 Pointless. It's a mechanism for the incompetent. Pointless. It’s a mechanism for the incompetent.

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