Comments on: Glock Gen 4 said to be coming next year http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:10:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Big Gun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-28238 Big Gun Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:40:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-28238 May be a better trigger not made of plastic and looking like it came off of some kids toy gun.And thats the safety for the gun to wow. May be a better trigger not made of plastic and looking like it came off of some kids toy gun.And thats the safety for the gun to wow.

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-24945 Kevin Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:06:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-24945 anyone know if the glock 21 will be offered with the gen 4 configuration anyone know if the glock 21 will be offered with the gen 4 configuration

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-21206 Carl Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:24:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-21206 Stay away from the ambi mag release unless you are southpaw and can't use the normal release. I find it hard to operate and of somewhat flimsy design. Stay away from the ambi mag release unless you are southpaw and can’t use the normal release. I find it hard to operate and of somewhat flimsy design.

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]]> By: Headknocker http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-21096 Headknocker Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:12:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-21096 I recently aquired a New In The Box Glock 19 RTF2 & realy love the way the texture feels & the new cocking serations are OK IMO.. Everyone is waiting for the 4th generation G17/G22s to start showing up January 2010, I'm sure the G19/23s won't too far behind.. I've been told that this will be an Option not a complete change in all the New Pistols being sold.. Also there is supposed to be an ambi magazine release & some sort of disassembly tool with the 4th Generation Glocks I'm sure glock has tested these new guns to the point of exhaustion trying to wring out any bugs that might show up plus get the line running before the 2010 Shot Show.. Just remember Glock is trying to give the folks who grind & cut thier Glock up trying to make the grip smaller an option Those with smaller hands will I'm sure be impressed.. Those Like Me might wait a while or Never buy one?? This remains to be seen.. Stay Safe Out There.. Protect Your Gun Rights & Join The NRA Headknocker I recently aquired a New In The Box Glock 19 RTF2 & realy love the way the texture feels & the new cocking serations are OK IMO..
Everyone is waiting for the 4th generation G17/G22s to start showing up January 2010, I’m sure the G19/23s won’t too far behind..
I’ve been told that this will be an Option not a complete change in all the New Pistols being sold..
Also there is supposed to be an ambi magazine release & some sort of disassembly tool with the 4th Generation Glocks
I’m sure glock has tested these new guns to the point of exhaustion trying to wring out any bugs that might show up plus get the line running before the 2010 Shot Show..
Just remember Glock is trying to give the folks who grind & cut thier Glock up trying to make the grip smaller an option
Those with smaller hands will I’m sure be impressed..
Those Like Me might wait a while or Never buy one??
This remains to be seen..
Stay Safe Out There..
Protect Your Gun Rights & Join The NRA
Headknocker

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]]> By: craig http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17851 craig Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:09:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17851 There ain't no perfect gun out there. Use and shoot what works best for you. Now go back to playing with your armymen. There ain’t no perfect gun out there. Use and shoot what works best for you. Now go back to playing with your armymen.

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]]> By: John K. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17045 John K. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:28:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17045 Kyle hit the nail on the head. I'm in the exact same boat. And as far as sights go, maybe I'm weird but night sights (albeit overpriced) aren't that expensive. I consider them cheap insurance and I'd hesitate to carry a regular CCW piece without them (ie. not just something you carry because the situation/attire dictates you can't have something bigger; I'm thinking P32, etc). I still carry a good light and I have plenty of them in my car and boat but I'd rather have the night sights as well. Kyle hit the nail on the head. I’m in the exact same boat.

And as far as sights go, maybe I’m weird but night sights (albeit overpriced) aren’t that expensive. I consider them cheap insurance and I’d hesitate to carry a regular CCW piece without them (ie. not just something you carry because the situation/attire dictates you can’t have something bigger; I’m thinking P32, etc). I still carry a good light and I have plenty of them in my car and boat but I’d rather have the night sights as well.

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]]> By: Bobby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17039 Bobby Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:29:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17039 Why does everybody shit on Glock? They're the best IMO. Why does everybody shit on Glock? They’re the best IMO.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17035 Carl Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:26:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17035 Blackwater, The Glock 20 holds 15+1 rounds of 10mm auto. Not quite .44 magnum energy, but I think people have used it for wildlife protection. With some +P ammo you might be able to do some damage with that... Blackwater, The Glock 20 holds 15+1 rounds of 10mm auto. Not quite .44 magnum energy, but I think people have used it for wildlife protection. With some +P ammo you might be able to do some damage with that…

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17034 Carl Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:18:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17034 While it is true that the handle of the glock has a bit of a funny angle, I believe it is like this for a reason; when you angle your wrist downwards the bore sits lower in relation to the hand and arm, reducing the torque from the recoil and thus, muzzle flip. This probably also helps the frame stay in place against the recoiling slide, enabling reliable operation with a very light weight frame (note how the Glock doesn't reload when not gripped properly "limp wristing"). And while the trigger perhaps wouldn't cut it for olympic class marksmanship most people seem to be able to shoot very well with it after some training. Just make sure the trigger bar and the connector is lubricated where they meet. While it is true that the handle of the glock has a bit of a funny angle, I believe it is like this for a reason; when you angle your wrist downwards the bore sits lower in relation to the hand and arm, reducing the torque from the recoil and thus, muzzle flip.

This probably also helps the frame stay in place against the recoiling slide, enabling reliable operation with a very light weight frame (note how the Glock doesn’t reload when not gripped properly “limp wristing”).

And while the trigger perhaps wouldn’t cut it for olympic class marksmanship most people seem to be able to shoot very well with it after some training.
Just make sure the trigger bar and the connector is lubricated where they meet.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-17032 subby Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:46:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-17032 Glock is still on top, but I'm just saying its losing ground to sigs with the DAK trigger and S&W/SA-XD glock clones. Especially in regards to governent contracts for federal agencies and special forces/combat groups. You know what would be cool? A larger glock compatible steel magazine with slightly more capacity. A less ugly slide. A less blocky thick gun. A 'premium' interchangeable glock trigger. Using different polymers/materials, I don't know. I think its high time they change SOMETHING for the better. 27 years have passed and the design remains practically identical. Glock is still on top, but I’m just saying its losing ground to sigs with the DAK trigger and S&W/SA-XD glock clones. Especially in regards to governent contracts for federal agencies and special forces/combat groups.

You know what would be cool? A larger glock compatible steel magazine with slightly more capacity.
A less ugly slide.
A less blocky thick gun.
A ‘premium’ interchangeable glock trigger. Using different polymers/materials, I don’t know.

I think its high time they change SOMETHING for the better. 27 years have passed and the design remains practically identical.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16995 jdun1911 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:40:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16995 If the Glock has such a bad trigger, grip design, and accuracy then why are the best handgun shooters in the world prefer it? They make their living out of the sport. I doubt they will risk their lively hood shooting inferior handguns like a lot of people are suggesting. One of the main reason why Glock and 1911 is dominate in competitive shooting is the short trigger reset. It allow for faster fellow up. The 2008 IDPA Championship there were: 102 Glock 3 H&K 12 Sig 37 S&W MP and a lot of 1911. http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=215 Here are videos of Laëtitia Daguenel. At a very young age she won the French Nation IPSC champion using a Glock 17. http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=577&Itemid=39 http://www.myspace.com/laetitiadaguenel If the Glock has such a bad trigger, grip design, and accuracy then why are the best handgun shooters in the world prefer it? They make their living out of the sport. I doubt they will risk their lively hood shooting inferior handguns like a lot of people are suggesting.

One of the main reason why Glock and 1911 is dominate in competitive shooting is the short trigger reset. It allow for faster fellow up.

The 2008 IDPA Championship there were:
102 Glock
3 H&K
12 Sig
37 S&W MP
and a lot of 1911.
http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=215

Here are videos of Laëtitia Daguenel. At a very young age she won the French Nation IPSC champion using a Glock 17.

http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=577&Itemid=39

http://www.myspace.com/laetitiadaguenel

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]]> By: Blackwater http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16979 Blackwater Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:30:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16979 I also wouldn't mind a Glock in a larger caliber like a .44 or .50 cal for protection against dangerous predators. I also wouldn’t mind a Glock in a larger caliber like a .44 or .50 cal for protection against dangerous predators.

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]]> By: Blackwater http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16978 Blackwater Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:27:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16978 Hopefully they upgrade the light/laser accessory as well. Put some LED bulbs in there. An ultra-compact Glock would be great as well. One that's really thin so you could carry it every day with ease. A better grip angle would be nice as well. And factory made ultra-reliable extended magazines for all calibers would be sweet. Hopefully they upgrade the light/laser accessory as well. Put some LED bulbs in there. An ultra-compact Glock would be great as well. One that’s really thin so you could carry it every day with ease. A better grip angle would be nice as well. And factory made ultra-reliable extended magazines for all calibers would be sweet.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16975 subby Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:28:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16975 Although the glock is still the AK of the pistol world. It is losing ground due to its lack of finesse. Mainly its dodgy trigger, accuracy and looks compared to Sigs/HK's/S&W. (Which isn't really necessary cause almost everyone shoots like shit when they actually use their pistol in combat anyway, pistol training is still incredibly crap.) Perhaps a nicer trigger a thinner less blocky gun (this will also make it less ugly) and a slightly more accurate gun, without compromising reliability will be just whats needed for Glock to get its edge back. Adjustable grips doesn't really change anything, it's only to appease the civilians. Anyone who actually uses a pistol knows that the grip is just something you learn to work with. Operators will no doubt just super glue the grip they like and that will be that. But more likely Glock will just continue selling the same old pistol, people can't get enough of it after all. Although the glock is still the AK of the pistol world. It is losing ground due to its lack of finesse. Mainly its dodgy trigger, accuracy and looks compared to Sigs/HK’s/S&W. (Which isn’t really necessary cause almost everyone shoots like shit when they actually use their pistol in combat anyway, pistol training is still incredibly crap.)

Perhaps a nicer trigger a thinner less blocky gun (this will also make it less ugly) and a slightly more accurate gun, without compromising reliability will be just whats needed for Glock to get its edge back.

Adjustable grips doesn’t really change anything, it’s only to appease the civilians. Anyone who actually uses a pistol knows that the grip is just something you learn to work with. Operators will no doubt just super glue the grip they like and that will be that.

But more likely Glock will just continue selling the same old pistol, people can’t get enough of it after all.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16960 Matt Groom Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:58:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16960 Maybe they'll install a trigger that doesn't suck from the factory, so you don't have to install a Ghost Rocket Sear or a NY1 spring kit to remove that sponginess that some of us HATE. Interchangeable grips would be nice. Maybe it'll be like a MIAD grip by Magpul and you'll be able to install fingergrooves or checkered front grips as well as different size palm swells. Metal sights would be a real improvement, too. I bet the first one out will be the "G40" and it will be a, wait for it.... full sized .40 S&W. They've been lookin' for an excuse to make another .40 cal one, lest there be serious confusion over the name. "I gots a Glock 40!" "In that new wizbang super caliber ?mmx??mm?" "No, fo! It's a 40!" Maybe they’ll install a trigger that doesn’t suck from the factory, so you don’t have to install a Ghost Rocket Sear or a NY1 spring kit to remove that sponginess that some of us HATE.

Interchangeable grips would be nice. Maybe it’ll be like a MIAD grip by Magpul and you’ll be able to install fingergrooves or checkered front grips as well as different size palm swells.

Metal sights would be a real improvement, too.

I bet the first one out will be the “G40″ and it will be a, wait for it…. full sized .40 S&W. They’ve been lookin’ for an excuse to make another .40 cal one, lest there be serious confusion over the name.

“I gots a Glock 40!”
“In that new wizbang super caliber ?mmx??mm?”
“No, fo! It’s a 40!”

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16945 jdun1911 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:32:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16945 The only pistol that is in wide use in the USA that has a manual safety is the 1911 because it is single action. Single Action is only time that manual safety is need but most people don't understand that. All single action need manual safety because of two simple facts. The trigger have short travel/reset and it is light. You don't need it in Double Action handgun because the trigger pull is heavy and it has long travel and reset. The Glock is not slippy. The problem is the vast majority of handgun owners does not know how to grip their gun properly. Glock grip is actually a very good design. It is one of two dominate pistols in competitively shooting for many reasons. The other one is the 1911. I personally do not like finger groove. Todd Jarrett IPSC video on griping the handgun properly. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363&q=handgun# AR15.com long informative article on how to grip a handgun properly. http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=290 The only pistol that is in wide use in the USA that has a manual safety is the 1911 because it is single action. Single Action is only time that manual safety is need but most people don’t understand that.

All single action need manual safety because of two simple facts. The trigger have short travel/reset and it is light. You don’t need it in Double Action handgun because the trigger pull is heavy and it has long travel and reset.

The Glock is not slippy. The problem is the vast majority of handgun owners does not know how to grip their gun properly. Glock grip is actually a very good design. It is one of two dominate pistols in competitively shooting for many reasons. The other one is the 1911.

I personally do not like finger groove.

Todd Jarrett IPSC video on griping the handgun properly.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363&q=handgun#

AR15.com long informative article on how to grip a handgun properly.
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=290

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]]> By: Kyle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16936 Kyle Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:03:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16936 Here's the problem that Glock has right now. Let's take the Glock 19, which is like the ultimate middle of the road, versatile handgun. If you handle one pre-finger grooves, it's a little slippery but will fit a huge percentage of the hands out there. If you handle the models with finger grooves, they really lock in for the people whose hands they fit - like mine - but they are far more awkward for folks with smaller hands, like my wife. She has small hands and fingers, and the finger grooves prevent her from getting a nice high, tight grip. Not a problem on the pre-finger groove models. The backstrap isn't the problem. The problem is the front strap forcing a grip that is far from optimal. The backstrap would HELP, but the option of getting the gun without the finger grooves would be huge. Here’s the problem that Glock has right now.

Let’s take the Glock 19, which is like the ultimate middle of the road, versatile handgun. If you handle one pre-finger grooves, it’s a little slippery but will fit a huge percentage of the hands out there.

If you handle the models with finger grooves, they really lock in for the people whose hands they fit – like mine – but they are far more awkward for folks with smaller hands, like my wife. She has small hands and fingers, and the finger grooves prevent her from getting a nice high, tight grip. Not a problem on the pre-finger groove models.

The backstrap isn’t the problem. The problem is the front strap forcing a grip that is far from optimal. The backstrap would HELP, but the option of getting the gun without the finger grooves would be huge.

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]]> By: Bandito762 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16929 Bandito762 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:41:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16929 maybe they'll add a thumb safety as well maybe they’ll add a thumb safety as well

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]]> By: Bandito762 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16928 Bandito762 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:40:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16928 Probably just as uncomfortable and ugly as all the other generations... Probably just as uncomfortable and ugly as all the other generations…

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/22/glock-gen-4-said-to-be-coming-next-year/comment-page-1/#comment-16925 jdun1911 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:55:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8815#comment-16925 Glock goes by .5 since gen 2. I have two Gen 2 Glocks, Glock 19 Gen 2.0 and Glock 30 Gen 2.5. The Gen 2.0 doesn't have finger grooves, while the Gen 2.5 does. In that respect the RTF2 is Gen 3.5. Gen 4.0 will have other changes. I personally don't like changeable back straps. It is another point of failure in a firearm. However, most people that isn't a professional or doesn't shoot it regularly will never experience that kind of failure Glock goes by .5 since gen 2. I have two Gen 2 Glocks, Glock 19 Gen 2.0 and Glock 30 Gen 2.5. The Gen 2.0 doesn’t have finger grooves, while the Gen 2.5 does.

In that respect the RTF2 is Gen 3.5. Gen 4.0 will have other changes.

I personally don’t like changeable back straps. It is another point of failure in a firearm. However, most people that isn’t a professional or doesn’t shoot it regularly will never experience that kind of failure

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