Comments on: Who really designed the Automag pistol? http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andrew http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-46435 Andrew Sat, 06 Nov 2010 08:54:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-46435 Looking to buy a Pasadena AutoMag but 4.5K is out of my league. I'm just looking for a good used shooter. Anyone got one for sale? Looking to buy a Pasadena AutoMag but 4.5K is out of my league. I’m just looking for a good used shooter.

Anyone got one for sale?

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]]> By: Rick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-42596 Rick Sun, 12 Sep 2010 01:14:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-42596 I am reading about early models of the 44 auto-mag. I also have owned one for nearly 40 years. Mine is serial number 11, which was a pre-production model issued to one of the original employees when they started producing this gun. Sadly, the rest of the kit has deteriorated and been lost over the years, but the gun is still in excellent condition. Just curious what this one would be worth. I am reading about early models of the 44 auto-mag. I also have owned one for nearly 40 years. Mine is serial number 11, which was a pre-production model issued to one of the original employees when they started producing this gun. Sadly, the rest of the kit has deteriorated and been lost over the years, but the gun is still in excellent condition. Just curious what this one would be worth.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-30018 Steve Fri, 02 Apr 2010 01:17:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-30018 Bruce, thanks for your comment. My apologies for quoting you but not mentioning your name (although I did link to your website). That has been fixed. Bruce, thanks for your comment.

My apologies for quoting you but not mentioning your name (although I did link to your website). That has been fixed.

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]]> By: Bruce Stark http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-30000 Bruce Stark Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:06:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-30000 I wrote "First, who is Max Gera ? In the March 1970 issue of Guns & Ammo magazine, Jeff Cooper twice credits Max Gera as the designer of the Auto Mag and refers to him as Auto Mag Corp.'s Design and Engineering Manager. Max was also named as co-inventor of the Auto Mag on the first patent application which was later abandoned. Max's name didn't appear on the final patent. In October of 1970, Max sold off his interests in the Auto Mag and left Harry Sanford. After Auto Mag Corp. declared bankruptcy in May of 1972, Max was blamed by some for causing Auto Mag to fail. These were mostly just rumors. However in a letter to Deputy Ed Lippert in July of 1972, Jeff Cooper of Guns & Ammo explained why Auto Mag Corp. went bankrupt. The letter blamed Max and typified the type of rumors that were flying around at the time. Max has asked me to remove this letter from this work as it is inflammatory, libelous and damaging to my reputation." It is easy enough to credit me for this as well as crediting Walt Sanford for his writing. Otherwise..........ATB.................Bruce Stark I wrote “First, who is Max Gera ? In the March 1970 issue of Guns & Ammo magazine, Jeff Cooper twice credits Max Gera as the designer of the Auto Mag and refers to him as Auto Mag Corp.’s Design and Engineering Manager. Max was also named as co-inventor of the Auto Mag on the first patent application which was later abandoned. Max’s name didn’t appear on the final patent.

In October of 1970, Max sold off his interests in the Auto Mag and left Harry Sanford.

After Auto Mag Corp. declared bankruptcy in May of 1972, Max was blamed by some for causing Auto Mag to fail. These were mostly just rumors. However in a letter to Deputy Ed Lippert in July of 1972, Jeff Cooper of Guns & Ammo explained why Auto Mag Corp. went bankrupt. The letter blamed Max and typified the type of rumors that were flying around at the time. Max has asked me to remove this letter from this work as it is inflammatory, libelous and damaging to my reputation.”

It is easy enough to credit me for this as well as crediting Walt Sanford for his writing.
Otherwise……….ATB……………..Bruce Stark

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]]> By: Bruce Stark http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-29996 Bruce Stark Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:24:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-29996 Great article. The Auto Mag book is, "Auto Mag the Pasadena Days" by Bruce Stark and is still available for sale by Bruce at littlekitty16 [at] roadrunner.com. The web site http://www.biskun.com/hobby/ has a few more articles by Bruce including the complete interview of Max Gera. ATB.................Bruce Stark Great article. The Auto Mag book is, “Auto Mag the Pasadena Days” by Bruce Stark and is still available for sale by Bruce at littlekitty16 [at] roadrunner.com.
The web site http://www.biskun.com/hobby/ has a few more articles by Bruce including the complete interview of Max Gera.

ATB……………..Bruce Stark

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]]> By: Raymond http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-23503 Raymond Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:51:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-23503 I have an Automag. I've owned it since 1971, almost 40 years. I have never fired this gun. To my knowledge, it has never been fired. History to follow. Original plastic carry case with Automag logo, original box of 50 rounds of Automag ammunition, original oil bottle and contents, original plastic bag with allen wrenches, Serial number 2xxx. Anyone with one of these 'originals' knows that the foam inside the carry case disintergrated years ago. This is "NOT" a second or third generation TDE or High Standard model. History: I purchased this gun from a friend who had two of them in 1971, the 'other' Automag he and we fired at the range. Since he had two Automags, he never fired the one I purchased. He sold both Automags when he had the oppertunity to buy two sequence seerial numbered Automags. I purchased the "UNFIRED" one he owned and put it 'away'. I'm thinking about selling this gun. And at this moment in time, if I do sell it, I want $4,500.00 (Four Thousand Five Hundred Dollars) for it. This price is not subject to discussion at this time. Understand something, this is a 'unique' and original gun. I've had it for almost forty years, keeping it and willing it to some that has no clue what it is really is, is okay with me. If you collect, you know how truely rare this gun, in this condition is. If you think it's overpriced and I'm the village idiot, that's fine with me. Contact me at Kcajyar [at] hughes.net and I'll discuss anything you want to know. Respectfully kcajyar I have an Automag. I’ve owned it since 1971, almost 40 years. I have never fired this gun. To my knowledge, it has never been fired. History to follow. Original plastic carry case with Automag logo, original box of 50 rounds of Automag ammunition, original oil bottle and contents, original plastic bag with allen wrenches, Serial number 2xxx.

Anyone with one of these ‘originals’ knows that the foam inside the carry case disintergrated years ago.

This is “NOT” a second or third generation TDE or High Standard model.

History:
I purchased this gun from a friend who had two of them in 1971, the ‘other’ Automag he and we fired at the range. Since he had two Automags, he never fired the one I purchased. He sold both Automags when he had the oppertunity to buy two sequence seerial numbered Automags. I purchased the “UNFIRED” one he owned and put it ‘away’.

I’m thinking about selling this gun. And at this moment in time, if I do sell it, I want $4,500.00 (Four Thousand Five Hundred Dollars) for it. This price is not subject to discussion at this time.

Understand something, this is a ‘unique’ and original gun. I’ve had it for almost forty years, keeping it and willing it to some that has no clue what it is really is, is okay with me.

If you collect, you know how truely rare this gun, in this condition is.
If you think it’s overpriced and I’m the village idiot, that’s fine with me.

Contact me at Kcajyar [at] hughes.net and I’ll discuss anything you want to know.

Respectfully

kcajyar

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]]> By: Victor http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-18270 Victor Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:47:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-18270 Chad: I have the case and I downloaded a pdf version of the owner's manual. No bottle or wrench kit. Give me a call (407.257.2394) or shoot me an email at vchapman1 [at] cfl [dot] rr [do]t com if you want to chat. Take care. Chad: I have the case and I downloaded a pdf version of the owner’s manual. No bottle or wrench kit. Give me a call (407.257.2394) or shoot me an email at vchapman1 [at] cfl [dot] rr [do]t com if you want to chat. Take care.

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]]> By: Chad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-18174 Chad Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:13:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-18174 I would probably be interested in your Pasadena, Victor. Do you have the complete set up (manual, bottle, case, wrench kit, etc.)? I would probably be interested in your Pasadena, Victor. Do you have the complete set up (manual, bottle, case, wrench kit, etc.)?

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]]> By: Victor Chapman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-17757 Victor Chapman Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:46:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-17757 I have an early Pasadena model (serial number A00557) in like new condition that I am tryind to sell if anyone is interested. Victor I have an early Pasadena model (serial number A00557) in like new condition that I am tryind to sell if anyone is interested. Victor

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-16865 Steve Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:22:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-16865 Daniel, thanks! Wow, I had always thought it was gas operated. Daniel, thanks! Wow, I had always thought it was gas operated.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-16864 Daniel E. Watters Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:18:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-16864 FWIW: The Automag is recoil-operated, not gas-operated. Here is the US patent: http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gpg-AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false FWIW: The Automag is recoil-operated, not gas-operated.

Here is the US patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gpg-AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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]]> By: Ken http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-16863 Ken Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:08:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-16863 If I had the dough Id get one. Ever since I had a model of this gun when I was a kid i found it to be inspiring. A Wildey is also on my list. If I had the dough Id get one. Ever since I had a model of this gun when I was a kid i found it to be inspiring. A Wildey is also on my list.

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]]> By: Veeshir http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-16778 Veeshir Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:04:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-16778 I had a chance for a used automag for around $1500, I kinda wish I had bought it but I was on my way to order a Wildey so I didn't. The difference is that I can always get a Wildey, but I don't know when I'll see another Automag. I had a chance for a used automag for around $1500, I kinda wish I had bought it but I was on my way to order a Wildey so I didn’t.

The difference is that I can always get a Wildey, but I don’t know when I’ll see another Automag.

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/21/who-really-designed-the-automag-pistol/comment-page-1/#comment-16777 SpudGun Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:58:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8713#comment-16777 I'm going to have to side with Harry Sanford on this one. Rarely would a gunshop's resident smith go to the owner and say 'Give me thousands of $$$ so I can make a new pistol.' And while Max may have been the engineering and design brains behind the project, the evidence suggests that Sanford came up with the initial concept and the capital to develop the system. Obviously, this is just speculation as I don't know all the facts. I’m going to have to side with Harry Sanford on this one. Rarely would a gunshop’s resident smith go to the owner and say ‘Give me thousands of $$$ so I can make a new pistol.’

And while Max may have been the engineering and design brains behind the project, the evidence suggests that Sanford came up with the initial concept and the capital to develop the system.

Obviously, this is just speculation as I don’t know all the facts.

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