Comments on: Portuguese Police Glock Safety Saga http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Headknocker http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-65888 Headknocker Tue, 28 Jun 2011 02:44:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-65888 I want one of those surplus frames with the safety as a collectors item.. That "Safety" appears to be trigger block style.. Also note that it's a Gen3 Glock 19 not a Gen4 Gary/Headknocker - Glock 17L I want one of those surplus frames with the safety as a collectors item..

That “Safety” appears to be trigger block style..

Also note that it’s a Gen3 Glock 19 not a Gen4

Gary/Headknocker – Glock 17L

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]]> By: shadow http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-27067 shadow Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:36:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-27067 Hello! What happened with my comment. I think it was only tecnycal, and I'm availabe to talk about the issue. I think that is important that the Glocks fans get the right idea about the so called "Glock a la protuguese", once the professionals who go on duty with it had no other solution. And this situation ocurred only in two of the several police departments operatin in Portugal; the biggest ones but only two. The other has their Glocks as they were built to work, and with no problems. Hello!
What happened with my comment. I think it was only tecnycal, and I’m availabe to talk about the issue. I think that is important that the Glocks fans get the right idea about the so called “Glock a la protuguese”, once the professionals who go on duty with it had no other solution. And this situation ocurred only in two of the several police departments operatin in Portugal; the biggest ones but only two. The other has their Glocks as they were built to work, and with no problems.

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]]> By: Shadow http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-26948 Shadow Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:21:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-26948 First fo all, not all the portuguese police departments have chosen that type of Glocks. The ones who had to chose it, did not chose the first of the first photo. The external safety device it's diferent, and is the reason of all problems. They were alerted of that before the demand, but some "experts" had more "peso" that the ones, also police experts, who had glocks on service long before them. If the device was the one on the first photo, the related problems didn't hapen. In Macau, the Judiciary police, in portuguese times, had such type of Glock without problems. First fo all, not all the portuguese police departments have chosen that type of Glocks.
The ones who had to chose it, did not chose the first of the first photo. The external safety device it’s diferent, and is the reason of all problems. They were alerted of that before the demand, but some “experts” had more “peso” that the ones, also police experts, who had glocks on service long before them. If the device was the one on the first photo, the related problems didn’t hapen. In Macau, the Judiciary police, in portuguese times, had such type of Glock without problems.

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]]> By: M. Werner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16990 M. Werner Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:52:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16990 Our agency has been using the Glock M23 for about 15 years. We have had exactly one "accidental" discharge which was caused by sheer incompetence on the part of the officer (who was terminated). The pistols have been remarkably reliable and safe as well. The only way I can imagine one shooting oneself in the fundament with one of these is either incompetence or a poorly-designed holster. (or none at all) Our agency has been using the Glock M23 for about 15 years. We have had exactly one “accidental” discharge which was caused by sheer incompetence on the part of the officer (who was terminated).

The pistols have been remarkably reliable and safe as well. The only way I can imagine one shooting oneself in the fundament with one of these is either incompetence or a poorly-designed holster. (or none at all)

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]]> By: Blackwater http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16860 Blackwater Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:54:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16860 I'm pretty surprised that Glock wasn't able to produce a reliable pistol with a safety. I’m pretty surprised that Glock wasn’t able to produce a reliable pistol with a safety.

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]]> By: Puke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16768 Puke Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:26:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16768 Typical example of gov't failure. No matter what country it is the gov't is filled with idiots. Typical example of gov’t failure.
No matter what country it is the gov’t is filled with idiots.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16762 Carl Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:24:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16762 So, central planners spending other people's money have screwed up again. What else is new? Can't use one of the world's most successful pistols safely without adding extra features? You are doing it wrong. Have problems with shooting yourself in the butt while holstering? Guess what? You are doing it wrong. Need a ridiculously heavy trigger pull in order to avoid negligent discharges? Yep, you are doing it wrong. By the way, that video is a great example of how NOT to handle a firearm and how NOT to dis/assemble a Glock. So, central planners spending other people’s money have screwed up again. What else is new?

Can’t use one of the world’s most successful pistols safely without adding extra features? You are doing it wrong.

Have problems with shooting yourself in the butt while holstering? Guess what? You are doing it wrong.

Need a ridiculously heavy trigger pull in order to avoid negligent discharges? Yep, you are doing it wrong.

By the way, that video is a great example of how NOT to handle a firearm and how NOT to dis/assemble a Glock.

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]]> By: subby http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16756 subby Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:59:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16756 So that means its not Glocks fault then and the Portuguese police are just more retarded than your average cop. Or maybe the design was inherently prone to 'accidents'? So that means its not Glocks fault then and the Portuguese police are just more retarded than your average cop.

Or maybe the design was inherently prone to ‘accidents’?

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]]> By: Paul http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16753 Paul Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:00:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16753 The majority of police department in the U.S. use Glocks. Virtually all of them carry their guns chamber loaded. In IDPA, I'd say the most used gun is a Glock, and they surely do have the guns chamber loaded (and no accidents.) I suspect the Portuguese Police upper management might have had a hand in designing the safety (as the FBI once did with their 10mm Smiths and, of course, the FBI screwed that up to.) The Glock works fine without a manual safety. If you want the trigger harder to pull, just put in a NY-1 trigger and tell the cops the trigger is the 'go' button, and to keep their fingers off it till they want it to 'go' BANG. The majority of police department in the U.S. use Glocks. Virtually all of them carry their guns chamber loaded. In IDPA, I’d say the most used gun is a Glock, and they surely do have the guns chamber loaded (and no accidents.)

I suspect the Portuguese Police upper management might have had a hand in designing the safety (as the FBI once did with their 10mm Smiths and, of course, the FBI screwed that up to.)

The Glock works fine without a manual safety. If you want the trigger harder to pull, just put in a NY-1 trigger and tell the cops the trigger is the ‘go’ button, and to keep their fingers off it till they want it to ‘go’ BANG.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16740 jdun1911 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:45:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16740 IMHO most cops shouldn’t carry a gun. Most aren’t capable of using a firearm. If you go to the range more the five times each year, you probably more trained then most cops in the nation. I find it amusing that cops lecture the general public about gun safety while at the same time the Chief of the Police shoot himself in the leg. You got cops lecturing school kids about gun safety and then immediately shoot himself/herself or blow a hole in the roof. It doesn’t matter if it is a Glock, Smith, Ruger, Sig, etc, it is the same sorry song. I can’t imagine the Portuguese cops are better trained then US and that not saying much. I’m sure police officers when in stress confuse the safety with the mag release. There is also two type of Glock mags, the drop free (popular in the USA) and not drop free (popular in Europe from what I understand). And remember folks, revolvers don’t have manual safety. In fact most handguns don’t have manual safety. IMHO most cops shouldn’t carry a gun. Most aren’t capable of using a firearm. If you go to the range more the five times each year, you probably more trained then most cops in the nation.

I find it amusing that cops lecture the general public about gun safety while at the same time the Chief of the Police shoot himself in the leg. You got cops lecturing school kids about gun safety and then immediately shoot himself/herself or blow a hole in the roof. It doesn’t matter if it is a Glock, Smith, Ruger, Sig, etc, it is the same sorry song.

I can’t imagine the Portuguese cops are better trained then US and that not saying much. I’m sure police officers when in stress confuse the safety with the mag release. There is also two type of Glock mags, the drop free (popular in the USA) and not drop free (popular in Europe from what I understand).

And remember folks, revolvers don’t have manual safety. In fact most handguns don’t have manual safety.

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]]> By: anon http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16732 anon Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:33:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16732 "I know of 5 local LEO’s here at a couple of agencies who have shot themselves in the ass or creased their leg, holstering a Glock. That and they just do not fit my hands comfortably, is why I would never own one." I would be more afraid of your local LEO's. “I know of 5 local LEO’s here at a couple of agencies who have shot themselves in the ass or creased their leg, holstering a Glock. That and they just do not fit my hands comfortably, is why I would never own one.”

I would be more afraid of your local LEO’s.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16720 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:46:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16720 Tom, thanks - I have corrected the post. It was a typo. Tom, thanks – I have corrected the post. It was a typo.

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]]> By: Tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16718 Tom Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:31:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16718 I didn't knwo Glocks were safety-less. Wow, thats news to me. When did they start doing that? I have a Gen2 G19 and it has 3. I guess you have to remember not to aim the pistol and something you dont want to kill and PULL THE FREAKIN TRIGGER. Dumbasses. I didn’t knwo Glocks were safety-less. Wow, thats news to me. When did they start doing that? I have a Gen2 G19 and it has 3. I guess you have to remember not to aim the pistol and something you dont want to kill and PULL THE FREAKIN TRIGGER. Dumbasses.

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]]> By: Me http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16711 Me Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:56:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16711 I know of 5 local LEO's here at a couple of agencies who have shot themselves in the ass or creased their leg, holstering a Glock. That and they just do not fit my hands comfortably, is why I would never own one. I know of 5 local LEO’s here at a couple of agencies who have shot themselves in the ass or creased their leg, holstering a Glock. That and they just do not fit my hands comfortably, is why I would never own one.

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]]> By: cyclist http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16704 cyclist Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:10:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16704 C'mon guys . . . magazined drop unexpectedly because somebody trying to put the safety on pushed the mag release by mistake. Vice versa, pushing on the safety won't release the mag if that is what you wanted. I can't imagine the safety affecting the direction of brass ejection. They need some training instead of new frames. C’mon guys . . . magazined drop unexpectedly because somebody trying to put the safety on pushed the mag release by mistake. Vice versa, pushing on the safety won’t release the mag if that is what you wanted. I can’t imagine the safety affecting the direction of brass ejection. They need some training instead of new frames.

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]]> By: Bandito762 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16696 Bandito762 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:39:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16696 Seems like its just user error due to the close proximity of the safety to the release. Has someone shot one of these who can tell us how the safety works exactly? Seems like its just user error due to the close proximity of the safety to the release. Has someone shot one of these who can tell us how the safety works exactly?

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]]> By: Meltron http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16691 Meltron Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:47:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16691 Why would the Dortugeuse Government be afraid of firearm companies suing them for not buying their product? If so a lot of Police Departments in the US and abroad will be getting subpoenas up the ass. Why would the Dortugeuse Government be afraid of firearm companies suing them for not buying their product? If so a lot of Police Departments in the US and abroad will be getting subpoenas up the ass.

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]]> By: Tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16682 Tom Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:58:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16682 Steve, I think you mean Glocks are the epitome of *manual safety-less* pistols. Glocks have a number of safeties built into the design, but simply lack a manual safety. I know, splitting hairs :) That said, there are quality thumb safety kits out there which I would prefer over this goofy sliding safety we keep hearing about. @ AB: I disagree, though it is perfectly acceptable to carry a glock in condition 3 with the chamber empty. Glock pistols, when carried with a good holster which protects the trigger, are 100% safe to carry loaded. The three key safety features of a Glock are the trigger safety (which is mostly an anti-snag device), the firing pin block, and the drop safety which prevents the striker from falling when the gun takes a hit. I've seen demonstrations of some crazy things being done to a Glock and I have yet to see gravity or circumstance discharge one. Steve, I think you mean Glocks are the epitome of *manual safety-less* pistols. Glocks have a number of safeties built into the design, but simply lack a manual safety. I know, splitting hairs :) That said, there are quality thumb safety kits out there which I would prefer over this goofy sliding safety we keep hearing about.

@ AB: I disagree, though it is perfectly acceptable to carry a glock in condition 3 with the chamber empty. Glock pistols, when carried with a good holster which protects the trigger, are 100% safe to carry loaded.

The three key safety features of a Glock are the trigger safety (which is mostly an anti-snag device), the firing pin block, and the drop safety which prevents the striker from falling when the gun takes a hit. I’ve seen demonstrations of some crazy things being done to a Glock and I have yet to see gravity or circumstance discharge one.

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]]> By: thomas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16670 thomas Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:56:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16670 Is it the external safety causing these problems? Did the British military Glocks suffer the same issues? Is it the external safety causing these problems? Did the British military Glocks suffer the same issues?

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]]> By: AB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/20/portuguese-police-glock-safety-saga/comment-page-1/#comment-16660 AB Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:47:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8689#comment-16660 Reminds me of when I was pistol shopping and I was schooled on the Glock philosophy. A Glock's primary safety is you do not carry with a round in the chamber. You only rack a round when you are going to fire as that will prevent you from accidentally shooting yourself in the ass-cheek when using a SOB holster. They oughta just have bought a slew of Beretta's or 1911 clones. Sheesh, what a way to kill taxpayer dollars. Reminds me of when I was pistol shopping and I was schooled on the Glock philosophy. A Glock’s primary safety is you do not carry with a round in the chamber. You only rack a round when you are going to fire as that will prevent you from accidentally shooting yourself in the ass-cheek when using a SOB holster.

They oughta just have bought a slew of Beretta’s or 1911 clones. Sheesh, what a way to kill taxpayer dollars.

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