Comments on: KBP’s new MTs 225 tactical revolver shotgun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Keith Applegate http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-60555 Keith Applegate Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:11:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-60555 This is also why Winchester placed the loading gate on the right instead of the left. Because, except for some detachable magazine weapons, most firearms are held in the weak hand and loaded with the strong hand. Consider this... Which hand do you use to load a double barrel shotgun? Don't you hold it in your off hand and use your dominant hand to load? Now, if you are right handed, try that with a shotgun with a cylinder swung to the left. How are you supposed to hold the gun? Your left hand is where you right hand needs to be. You wouldn't want to grasp it by the wrist with all of the weight out front would you? This is also why Winchester placed the loading gate on the right instead of the left.
Because, except for some detachable magazine weapons, most firearms are held in the weak hand and loaded with the strong hand.

Consider this…

Which hand do you use to load a double barrel shotgun?
Don’t you hold it in your off hand and use your dominant hand to load?

Now, if you are right handed, try that with a shotgun with a cylinder swung to the left. How are you supposed to hold the gun? Your left hand is where you right hand needs to be.

You wouldn’t want to grasp it by the wrist with all of the weight out front would you?

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]]> By: Keith Applegate http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-60554 Keith Applegate Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:00:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-60554 Ndoggunfreek: by your logic a right handed bolt action rifle should have the bolt handle extending to the left. Matt Groom IS correct. A RIGHT HANDED person FIRES a double action revolver with the right hand but the left hand HOLDS it while the right hand (the hand with the most developed motor skills) LOADS the revolver. Unless your goal is to reload slower and clumsier that is. Ndoggunfreek: by your logic a right handed bolt action rifle should have the bolt handle extending to the left.

Matt Groom IS correct.

A RIGHT HANDED person FIRES a double action revolver with the right hand but the left hand HOLDS it while the right hand (the hand with the most developed motor skills) LOADS the revolver.

Unless your goal is to reload slower and clumsier that is.

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]]> By: Ndoggunfreek http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-60542 Ndoggunfreek Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:20:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-60542 @Matt Groom a right handed revolver swings to the left to be loaded to be loaded with the left hand so the the gun reamins in a right handed shooters shooting hand. @Matt Groom a right handed revolver swings to the left to be loaded to be loaded with the left hand so the the gun reamins in a right handed shooters shooting hand.

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]]> By: imhandled http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-40001 imhandled Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:08:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-40001 Now make it double barreled with 8rounds and i wouldnt care how much it weighed but, with the single action ejector pin. speed loaders would simply be to big and awkward to monkey with. now that would be an effective weapon but still federal friendly because it could not be altered into a full auto death machine Now make it double barreled with 8rounds and i wouldnt care how much it weighed but, with the single action ejector pin. speed loaders would simply be to big and awkward to monkey with. now that would be an effective weapon but still federal friendly because it could not be altered into a full auto death machine

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]]> By: Keith Applegate http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-27740 Keith Applegate Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:07:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-27740 Meltron said - "I’m not sure what point you are trying to make but most firearms are meant to be held in the right hand and loaded with the left hand, especially revolvers." ESPECIALLY REVOLVERS! Dude, are you for real? Now, since the original designers of the swingout cylinder revolver (as I recall Winchester actually built the first one much to the chagrin of Colt) are no longer with us we cannot ask them their intent. And while Barney Fife did indeed hold his empty revolver in his right hand and use his left hand to load his one "bullet" that's surely not the way Jerry Miculek (or any real revolver person) does it. In fact, a person holding a revolver in their shooting hand and inserting cartridges with their off hand is the sure sign of a rank amateur or a hollyweird actor. So you see, if you are a right handed shooter and wish to reload your swingout cylinder revolver the fast/easiest way possible you do indeed hold it in your left hand and reload it with your right. That's right, whether you use speedloaders, moonclips, speed strips or loose rounds it's simply faster/easier to open the cylinder latch with the right thumb (Dan Wesson revolver shooters would use the left thumb/Taurus Ragung Bull shooters would use both thumbs) use the left hand middle and ring fingers to swing out the cylinder thereby transferring the gun to the left hand, using the left thumb to stroke the ejector rod and then use the right hand acquire the reload and replentish the chambers. A left handed person does the same only mirror image except for using the right index finger to manipulate the ejector. Meltron said – “I’m not sure what point you are trying to make but most firearms are meant to be held in the right hand and loaded with the left hand, especially revolvers.”

ESPECIALLY REVOLVERS! Dude, are you for real?

Now, since the original designers of the swingout cylinder revolver (as I recall Winchester actually built the first one much to the chagrin of Colt) are no longer with us we cannot ask them their intent.

And while Barney Fife did indeed hold his empty revolver in his right hand and use his left hand to load his one “bullet” that’s surely not the way Jerry Miculek (or any real revolver person) does it. In fact, a person holding a revolver in their shooting hand and inserting cartridges with their off hand is the sure sign of a rank amateur or a hollyweird actor. So you see, if you are a right handed shooter and wish to reload your swingout cylinder revolver the fast/easiest way possible you do indeed hold it in your left hand and reload it with your right.

That’s right, whether you use speedloaders, moonclips, speed strips or loose rounds it’s simply faster/easier to open the cylinder latch with the right thumb (Dan Wesson revolver shooters would use the left thumb/Taurus Ragung Bull shooters would use both thumbs) use the left hand middle and ring fingers to swing out the cylinder thereby transferring the gun to the left hand, using the left thumb to stroke the ejector rod and then use the right hand acquire the reload and replentish the chambers. A left handed person does the same only mirror image except for using the right index finger to manipulate the ejector.

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]]> By: Peter http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16730 Peter Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:20:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16730 One very attractive looking firearm. I would want one just for its good looks alone. One very attractive looking firearm. I would want one just for its good looks alone.

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]]> By: Meltron http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16690 Meltron Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:44:23 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16690 @Matt Groom, unless I'm reading it wrong, you are implying that revolvers with cylinders that open to the left are meant to held in the left hand and loaded with the RIGHT. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but most firearms are meant to be held in the right hand and loaded with the left hand, especially revolvers. @Matt Groom, unless I’m reading it wrong, you are implying that revolvers with cylinders that open to the left are meant to held in the left hand and loaded with the RIGHT. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make but most firearms are meant to be held in the right hand and loaded with the left hand, especially revolvers.

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]]> By: Dr. Feelgood http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16689 Dr. Feelgood Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:41:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16689 For your rimless 12 ga. shells? For your rimless 12 ga. shells?

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16669 Don Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:47:19 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16669 I want 12 GA moon clips. -Don I want 12 GA moon clips.

-Don

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]]> By: CS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16648 CS Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:44:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16648 This has nothing to do with this post - but this video about the Swiss gun tradition is interesting and may be worthy of a post you can schedule in advance when you are too busy for your blog. http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/video/staring-down-the-barrel-of-switzerlands-gun-tradit.shtml?14430 This has nothing to do with this post – but this video about the Swiss gun tradition is interesting and may be worthy of a post you can schedule in advance when you are too busy for your blog.

http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/video/staring-down-the-barrel-of-switzerlands-gun-tradit.shtml?14430

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16641 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:34:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16641 Dom, I think because it is not on the Clinton approved list. Any Russian gun not on the list cannot be imported. Dom, I think because it is not on the Clinton approved list. Any Russian gun not on the list cannot be imported.

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]]> By: Brad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16639 Brad Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:26:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16639 First photo caption, "12 guage"?? Typo alert! Burst, "I think the optimal configuration for a ‘tactical’ weapon would be top break. Ambidexterous, less awkward to check/change ammo, and faster reloads." Nah. Just make a full-moon clip instead! First photo caption, “12 guage”?? Typo alert!

Burst, “I think the optimal configuration for a ‘tactical’ weapon would be top break. Ambidexterous, less awkward to check/change ammo, and faster reloads.”

Nah. Just make a full-moon clip instead!

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]]> By: Dom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16637 Dom Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:15:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16637 Man, yeah I gotta admit I'd love to have a six-shooter model in .30-30. Why is nobody importing this? Man, yeah I gotta admit I’d love to have a six-shooter model in .30-30. Why is nobody importing this?

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]]> By: Burst http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16617 Burst Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:43:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16617 I think the optimal configuration for a 'tactical' weapon would be top break. Ambidexterous, less awkward to check/change ammo, and faster reloads. With modern metallurgy, it shouldn't be a problem, especially if only 2.75in shells are used. I think the optimal configuration for a ‘tactical’ weapon would be top break.
Ambidexterous, less awkward to check/change ammo, and faster reloads.

With modern metallurgy, it shouldn’t be a problem, especially if only 2.75in shells are used.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16612 Steve Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:43:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16612 Mehul, yea, I read that they are the Russian guns to own if you can get hold of them. Apparently a few were bought into Canada some years ago but were all quickly bought by collectors. Al and Spud, I would LOVE one of these in a rifle caliber. How cool would that be? Frickin awesome. I wonder if you can fire .45 colt in the .410 model ... Mehul, yea, I read that they are the Russian guns to own if you can get hold of them. Apparently a few were bought into Canada some years ago but were all quickly bought by collectors.

Al and Spud, I would LOVE one of these in a rifle caliber. How cool would that be? Frickin awesome. I wonder if you can fire .45 colt in the .410 model …

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]]> By: DMP http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16608 DMP Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:21:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16608 What does that thing weigh? So how does one plug it for 3 shot legal hunting? What does that thing weigh? So how does one plug it for 3 shot legal hunting?

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]]> By: Chris Byrne http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16600 Chris Byrne Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:20:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16600 I think speed of reloading would be a decent benefit as well; though it's probably not MUCH faster than loading most tube mag shotguns. I think speed of reloading would be a decent benefit as well; though it’s probably not MUCH faster than loading most tube mag shotguns.

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16599 SpudGun Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:59:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16599 Okay, we're all thinking it, slap on a pistol grip and cut off the barrel to make our very own Hellboy pistol. Would make the .500 S&W look 'weedy' in comparison. Okay, we’re all thinking it, slap on a pistol grip and cut off the barrel to make our very own Hellboy pistol.

Would make the .500 S&W look ‘weedy’ in comparison.

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]]> By: Mehul Kamdar http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16596 Mehul Kamdar Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:22:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16596 Steve, The KBP / Shipunov design bureau builds some really nice guns. A firearms historian whom I know in Germany has one of their semi auto sporting rifles chambered for the 9.3x64 and he simply loves it. I have also seen some of their sporting shotguns with hinged front triggers and gold plated innards which were as good as anything that you could get from anywhere else. I do wish RAAC Firearms or someone else brings these guns for sale to the USA. I'd love one with a rifled barrel for slugs. Steve,

The KBP / Shipunov design bureau builds some really nice guns. A firearms historian whom I know in Germany has one of their semi auto sporting rifles chambered for the 9.3×64 and he simply loves it. I have also seen some of their sporting shotguns with hinged front triggers and gold plated innards which were as good as anything that you could get from anywhere else.

I do wish RAAC Firearms or someone else brings these guns for sale to the USA. I’d love one with a rifled barrel for slugs.

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]]> By: Fred http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/19/kbps-new-mts-225-tactical-revolver-shotgun/comment-page-1/#comment-16592 Fred Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:09:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8631#comment-16592 Yeah... I want one. Yeah… I want one.

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