Comments on: H&K and ATI settle lawsuit. GSG-5 sales will cease shortly. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Larry Walsh http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-40274 Larry Walsh Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:25:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-40274 Just purchased GSG-5 PK 22 cal. What's the difference between PK & SD ? Today, while cruising gun stores I found a used GSG-5 PK for 350.00. Looked in like new condition. Should I go back & buy it. I am a newbie at this type of weapon. Old 1911 guy. Also awaiting paper work to convert to an SBR. I would appreciate any info. you can throw my way. Regards, Larry. Just purchased GSG-5 PK 22 cal. What’s the difference between PK & SD ? Today, while cruising gun stores I found a used GSG-5 PK for 350.00. Looked in like new condition. Should I go back & buy it. I am a newbie at this type of weapon. Old 1911 guy. Also awaiting paper work to convert to an SBR. I would appreciate any info. you can throw my way. Regards, Larry.

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]]> By: Bob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-30340 Bob Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:47:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-30340 Here's the official story from ATI: To all retail customers: On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced. It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act. American Tactical will provide a replacement shroud at no charge for each GSG 5 SD model sold or currently in inventory. Consumers in possession of a GSG 5 SD model with the original shroud in place on the firearm are now in violation of the NFA. To avoid continued violation of the NFA, ATI asks that all persons in possession obtain a replacement shroud as soon as possible. We anticipate arrival of the new shrouds to begin by the middle of February 2010. IMPORTANT: THE ORIGINAL SD MODEL SHROUD MUST BE RETURNED ACOMPANIED BY THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER BEFORE A REPLACEMENT SHROUD IS ISSUED. THE DIAMETER OF THE SD SHROUD IS 1-9/16”. DO NOT RETURN THE SMALLER CARBINE SHROUD. WHAT TO DO: If possible return your old shroud to the dealer where purchased and show him this notice. The shroud will be returned to ATI along with a list of serial numbers from the guns that the shrouds were removed. ATI will send replacements to the dealer for pick up at your convenience; ATI will be sending replacements as fast as logistics allow. If your dealer is out of business or difficult to reach, or you purchased your gun used, from a consumer, return the shroud directly by US mail or UPS to American Tactical Imports Inc. 100 Airpark Drive Rochester, NY 14624. PLEASE TRY NOT TO CALL US. We will provide comprehensive information on our web site American Tactical Imports , and AR15.Com or by e-mail to atiexchange@americantactical.us REMEMBER, INCLUDE THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER WITH EACH SHROUD OR A REPLACEMENT WILL NOT BE ISSUED. This action IS NOT being instituted through any fault and is strictly due to NFA compliance. American Tactical will assume the responsibility to satisfy the requirements in an effort to minimize the impact on our customers and protect your investment. We at American Tactical Imports Inc. sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this unfortunate situation. Sincerely, Anthony DiChario President C.E.O. retailcandoc.021210 Here’s the official story from ATI:

To all retail customers:

On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced. It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act. American Tactical will provide a replacement shroud at no charge for each GSG 5 SD model sold or currently in inventory.
Consumers in possession of a GSG 5 SD model with the original shroud in place on the firearm are now in violation of the NFA. To avoid continued violation of the NFA, ATI asks that all persons in possession obtain a replacement shroud as soon as possible. We anticipate arrival of the new shrouds to begin by the middle of February 2010.
IMPORTANT: THE ORIGINAL SD MODEL SHROUD MUST BE RETURNED ACOMPANIED BY THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER BEFORE A REPLACEMENT SHROUD IS ISSUED. THE DIAMETER OF THE SD SHROUD IS 1-9/16”. DO NOT RETURN THE SMALLER CARBINE SHROUD.
WHAT TO DO:
If possible return your old shroud to the dealer where purchased and show him this notice. The shroud will be returned to ATI along with a list of serial numbers from the guns that the shrouds were removed. ATI will send replacements to the dealer for pick up at your convenience; ATI will be sending replacements as fast as logistics allow. If your dealer is out of business or difficult to reach, or you purchased your gun used, from a consumer, return the shroud directly by US mail or UPS to American Tactical Imports Inc. 100 Airpark Drive Rochester, NY 14624.
PLEASE TRY NOT TO CALL US. We will provide comprehensive information on our web site American Tactical Imports , and AR15.Com or by e-mail to atiexchange@americantactical.us
REMEMBER, INCLUDE THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER WITH EACH SHROUD OR A REPLACEMENT WILL NOT BE ISSUED.
This action IS NOT being instituted through any fault and is strictly due to NFA compliance. American Tactical will assume the responsibility to satisfy the requirements in an effort to minimize the impact on our customers and protect your investment.
We at American Tactical Imports Inc. sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this unfortunate situation.

Sincerely,
Anthony DiChario
President C.E.O. retailcandoc.021210

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]]> By: ONIL GONZALEZ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-30329 ONIL GONZALEZ Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:46:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-30329 Whats the deal with the GSG-5SDs suppresor i was informed by my gun dealer that the ATF is banning them. AND that i have to send my suppresor to get it modified anyone else heard about this ? Whats the deal with the GSG-5SDs suppresor i was informed by my gun dealer that the ATF is banning them. AND that i have to send my suppresor to get it modified anyone else heard about this ?

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-25020 Kevin Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:24:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-25020 Bob: Wolf never said the world owed him a new gun because he is unemployed, but merely expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that a gun affordable to a student worker is being de-railed by a company who has a reputation for over priceing guns ( very very cool overpriced guns of course). you being laid-off makes gives me the idea that you have professional specialty making you a commoditie(sp?) hence you are able to aquire a job with less effort. For the student however, as resturant and retail sales are down its a bit harder to find employment, after all just about anyone can do any resturant or retail job and so they go for the older more experienced workers since they are seen as less of a risk(training costs money after all). I didnt read his post as saying "please give me a gun for free" more like "damn how am i gonna find a job, pay my bills and then save enough money before they have sold every unit" As for my hopes: Hopefully the Umarex guns will be in a similar 400+/- range, ive wanted a Mp-5/G3/Hk33 type gun ever since i read rainbow six. and i hope the remade ATI guns can give umarex some competion thats how the free market works. Forgive my grammatical errors, but most of all forgive those who use them as slander, in cheap, quality, carbines we pray ka-bang. Bob: Wolf never said the world owed him a new gun because he is unemployed, but merely expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that a gun affordable to a student worker is being de-railed by a company who has a reputation for over priceing guns ( very very cool overpriced guns of course). you being laid-off makes gives me the idea that you have professional specialty making you a commoditie(sp?) hence you are able to aquire a job with less effort.
For the student however, as resturant and retail sales are down its a bit harder to find employment, after all just about anyone can do any resturant or retail job and so they go for the older more experienced workers since they are seen as less of a risk(training costs money after all).
I didnt read his post as saying “please give me a gun for free” more like “damn how am i gonna find a job, pay my bills and then save enough money before they have sold every unit”
As for my hopes:
Hopefully the Umarex guns will be in a similar 400+/- range, ive wanted a Mp-5/G3/Hk33 type gun ever since i read rainbow six. and i hope the remade ATI guns can give umarex some competion thats how the free market works.

Forgive my grammatical errors, but most of all forgive those who use them as slander, in cheap, quality, carbines we pray ka-bang.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-24536 Steve Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:54:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-24536 Jessie, You are correct. I will be writing a post in the coming week on how they got around the lawsuit. Jessie, You are correct. I will be writing a post in the coming week on how they got around the lawsuit.

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]]> By: Jessie Indracusin http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-24535 Jessie Indracusin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:41:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-24535 Thought I would mention this to everyone who reads this site. I was at the Shot Show 2010 in Vegas and went to both the GSG-5/ATI booth (very small) and the Umarex booth. Umarex has HK logos in their booth and have the full licenses for an MP5 clone. All the comments made about Airsoft, etc. I have no comments on since I am strictly a Tactical Firearms reviewer and own about 9 different H&K Firearms (including a Civilian Legal UMP 45 conversion that cost me about $3200 after the original HK USC, conversion parts, ATF Part Counts and optics. The GSG-5 guys had some new re-designed GSG-5 guns in their booth. I don't know the exact nature of how they appear to be getting around the lawsuit with HK, but it seems the new design they are doing is different enough compared to the original series. Thought I would mention this to everyone who reads this site. I was at the Shot Show 2010 in Vegas and went to both the GSG-5/ATI booth (very small) and the Umarex booth. Umarex has HK logos in their booth and have the full licenses for an MP5 clone. All the comments made about Airsoft, etc. I have no comments on since I am strictly a Tactical Firearms reviewer and own about 9 different H&K Firearms (including a Civilian Legal UMP 45 conversion that cost me about $3200 after the original HK USC, conversion parts, ATF Part Counts and optics.

The GSG-5 guys had some new re-designed GSG-5 guns in their booth. I don’t know the exact nature of how they appear to be getting around the lawsuit with HK, but it seems the new design they are doing is different enough compared to the original series.

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]]> By: Bob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-23584 Bob Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:18:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-23584 Yes, since you are unemployed we all owe you a weapon. Hmm... when I was laid off I changed jobs and buy my own. Go figure. By the way, the GSG-5 has lots of fun accessories. We have bought (EARNED BY WORKING) everything we could find. Front triple rail, front hand grip, bipod, recoil buffer, rear stud for pistol configuration... it's a really FUN gun!!. Get a job, maybe some school... enjoy! (I started as an Army Private at $78/mo in 1970. I went to school, worked hard. I don't whine and complain anymore. Try school and achievement... be happy!) Yes, since you are unemployed we all owe you a weapon. Hmm… when I was laid off I changed jobs and buy my own. Go figure.

By the way, the GSG-5 has lots of fun accessories. We have bought (EARNED BY WORKING) everything we could find. Front triple rail, front hand grip, bipod, recoil buffer, rear stud for pistol configuration… it’s a really FUN gun!!.

Get a job, maybe some school… enjoy! (I started as an Army Private at $78/mo in 1970. I went to school, worked hard. I don’t whine and complain anymore. Try school and achievement… be happy!)

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]]> By: Wolfprophet http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-23536 Wolfprophet Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:58:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-23536 "Matt Groomon 18 Oct 2009 at 1:36 pm link comment H&K was founded by Nazis. F^#% H&K!" You're an idiot. H&K was founded in 1949. Which last I checked, was four years after World War II. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe WWII lasted into 1953 and H&K was founded as an off shoot to DWM. Oh wait, that's probably just a reasonable explanation in your mind. Anyways. Enough of my sarcasm and Dickishness. I do think it's some serious BS that H&K sued them, they should have just demanded a cut of the profits instead and then sued them if they refused. Being unemployed, I'll be lucky as all hell if I can afford a GSG-5 by the time they're all mysteriously gone and locked away in private hands. Hell, I was lucky enough to get ahold of some ammunition for my M44 Mosin carbine. “Matt Groomon 18 Oct 2009 at 1:36 pm link comment

H&K was founded by Nazis. F^#% H&K!”

You’re an idiot. H&K was founded in 1949. Which last I checked, was four years after World War II. Or maybe I’m wrong, maybe WWII lasted into 1953 and H&K was founded as an off shoot to DWM. Oh wait, that’s probably just a reasonable explanation in your mind. Anyways. Enough of my sarcasm and Dickishness.

I do think it’s some serious BS that H&K sued them, they should have just demanded a cut of the profits instead and then sued them if they refused. Being unemployed, I’ll be lucky as all hell if I can afford a GSG-5 by the time they’re all mysteriously gone and locked away in private hands. Hell, I was lucky enough to get ahold of some ammunition for my M44 Mosin carbine.

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]]> By: Nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-20599 Nick Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:16:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-20599 I work at a hunting and the likes store up in NY. For firearms, we have possibly the largest selection and quantity available for the area, much more than the local Gander Mountain. I've seen so many of the GSG-5's sold, and many variants of it. The rate at which they flew off the shelves was amazing, if H&K simply made ATI pay a royalty, H&K would be swimming in cash, moreso then now. But I know nothing on the legalities and the suit in general, so maybe they did offer this instead of an outright cease of manufacturing. I work at a hunting and the likes store up in NY. For firearms, we have possibly the largest selection and quantity available for the area, much more than the local Gander Mountain. I’ve seen so many of the GSG-5′s sold, and many variants of it. The rate at which they flew off the shelves was amazing, if H&K simply made ATI pay a royalty, H&K would be swimming in cash, moreso then now. But I know nothing on the legalities and the suit in general, so maybe they did offer this instead of an outright cease of manufacturing.

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]]> By: cbunix23 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17969 cbunix23 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:03:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17969 I'm betting the lawsuit was based on H&Ks design patents. They can last indefinitely. This is why no one else can have a soda pop bottle with the same shape as the Coke 'hour glass' bottle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patent In the United States, a design patent is a patent granted on the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers (see Fig. 1) and computer icons are examples of objects that are covered by design patents. A similar concept, a registered design can be obtained in other countries. In Japan, South Korea and Hungary, industrial designs are registered after performing an official novelty search. In Europe, one needs to only pay an official fee and meet other the formal requirements for registration (e.g. Community design at OHIM, Germany, France, Spain). For the member states of WIPO, cover is afforded by registration at WIPO and examination by the designated member states in accordance with the Geneva Act of the Hague Agreement). ... A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar. --------- Notice that last quoted sentence. I’m betting the lawsuit was based on H&Ks design patents. They can last indefinitely. This is why no one else can have a soda pop bottle with the same shape as the Coke ‘hour glass’ bottle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patent

In the United States, a design patent is a patent granted on the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers (see Fig. 1) and computer icons are examples of objects that are covered by design patents.

A similar concept, a registered design can be obtained in other countries. In Japan, South Korea and Hungary, industrial designs are registered after performing an official novelty search. In Europe, one needs to only pay an official fee and meet other the formal requirements for registration (e.g. Community design at OHIM, Germany, France, Spain).
For the member states of WIPO, cover is afforded by registration at WIPO and examination by the designated member states in accordance with the Geneva Act of the Hague Agreement).
…
A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar.

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Notice that last quoted sentence.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17715 Steve Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:54:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17715 Ah, Philippines, of course. I can't think of any other Asian country where they would be legal. Ah, Philippines, of course. I can’t think of any other Asian country where they would be legal.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17714 Steve Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:53:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17714 Jackd, where in Asia can you buy a GSG5? Jackd, where in Asia can you buy a GSG5?

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]]> By: Jackd http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17713 Jackd Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17713 Here in Asia, the GSG5 is selling well, the gunshops are selling double the Europe SRPrices. Most by the stocks for posterity, since the real MP5 here costs 5 times the Europes SRP's. The GSG5SD version, is a downright rip-off since the silencer can is badly designed, barrel is loosely fitted to the gun, the barrel thickness is thinner that airgun barrels here in Manila. The Airsoft knock offs have better detail that GSG5 SD's features. I will wait for the H&K version, the GSG appears as a novelty here. unit a better MP5 version comes along. Cheers Jackd Here in Asia, the GSG5 is selling well, the gunshops are selling double the Europe SRPrices. Most by the stocks for posterity, since the real MP5 here costs 5 times the Europes SRP’s.

The GSG5SD version, is a downright rip-off since the silencer can is badly designed, barrel is loosely fitted to the gun, the barrel thickness is thinner that airgun barrels here in Manila. The Airsoft knock offs have better detail that GSG5 SD’s features.

I will wait for the H&K version, the GSG appears as a novelty here. unit a better MP5 version comes along.

Cheers

Jackd

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]]> By: joem http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17390 joem Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:51:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17390 i'm fed up with-people-saying that the gsg-5 is not an mp5 clone! What you think if hk made a .22 version it would have delayed blow back, fluted chamber??? No they woundnt its a .22-it doesnt need delayed blow back or-fluted chamber nor does the orginal 9mm mp5 need them either it just excause to flog it at totally over rated price! If you think you can use the same 9mm bolt, springs etc in a .22 then you know jackshit about firearms! An hk mp5 with single shot only trigger pack (uk police have these) is just an 9mm carbine with very good accuracy Thus the gsg-5 is a clone is that regard.....its very accurate, relable and pretty well bult....(ok its not and will never be hk strong but wont fall apart either.) Thats what an mp5 is about Ps glock s Ps i’m fed up with-people-saying that the gsg-5 is not an mp5 clone! What you think if hk made a .22 version it would have delayed blow back, fluted chamber??? No they woundnt its a .22-it doesnt need delayed blow back or-fluted chamber nor does the orginal 9mm mp5 need them either it just excause to flog it at totally over rated price! If you think you can use the same 9mm bolt, springs etc in a .22 then you know jackshit about firearms!

An hk mp5 with single shot only trigger pack (uk police have these) is just an 9mm carbine with very good accuracy
Thus the gsg-5 is a clone is that regard…..its very accurate, relable and pretty well bult….(ok its not and will never be hk strong but wont fall apart either.) Thats what an mp5 is about

Ps glock s

Ps

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]]> By: Bob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-17064 Bob Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:28:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-17064 I just bought a GDG-5 SD today and saw this lawsuit when I got home. So what is the bottom line? When GSG-5 sales go away will the one I bought increase in value? My dealer has one left and I am thinking of getting it as an investment. Is this a good idea? I just bought a GDG-5 SD today and saw this lawsuit when I got home. So what is the bottom line? When GSG-5 sales go away will the one I bought increase in value? My dealer has one left and I am thinking of getting it as an investment. Is this a good idea?

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]]> By: cameron http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-16807 cameron Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:21:10 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-16807 *sigh* Is this the legacy of H&K? Make really interesting guns but don't make a version that is legal w/ out NFA paperwork? -G36 -MP5 They would make a FORTUNE if they sold a semi version of these guns stateside in their native caliber. If they can justify selling the SL8 then why not a civvie MP5 or G36? People want a GSG-5 b/c it is about as close as they will get to a real MP5. It just blows my mind that they are either a) unwilling or b)too stupid to do this. Plenty of guns come to the USA as imports that are "just as evil" and "just as dangerous". So what are they afraid of?? Really this is insane. ...and in the meantime they bother to market the 416. WTF. WHO CARES. GIVES US WHAT WE WANT H& K. /rant off, LOL *sigh*

Is this the legacy of H&K? Make really interesting guns but don’t make a version that is legal w/ out NFA paperwork?

-G36

-MP5

They would make a FORTUNE if they sold a semi version of these guns stateside in their native caliber. If they can justify selling the SL8 then why not a civvie MP5 or G36? People want a GSG-5 b/c it is about as close as they will get to a real MP5. It just blows my mind that they are either a) unwilling or b)too stupid to do this. Plenty of guns come to the USA as imports that are “just as evil” and “just as dangerous”. So what are they afraid of?? Really this is insane.

…and in the meantime they bother to market the 416. WTF. WHO CARES. GIVES US WHAT WE WANT H& K.

/rant off, LOL

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-16771 Carl Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:10:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-16771 So, how many people bought a GSG-5 thinking they were getting a MP5? I'm guessing zero. Clearly there must exist a risk of consumer confusion if laws against creating similar-looking products are to be legitimate. So, how many people bought a GSG-5 thinking they were getting a MP5? I’m guessing zero.

Clearly there must exist a risk of consumer confusion if laws against creating similar-looking products are to be legitimate.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-16727 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:55:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-16727 Advocate, very good point regarding MP5 claims! Advocate, very good point regarding MP5 claims!

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]]> By: Advocate http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-16712 Advocate Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:11:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-16712 i really really think its important to remember that they sued over trademark and trade dress infringement... not patent infringement. Very different things. Add to that the fact that ATI openly claimed it to be a MP5 lookalike: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3CFA%3EJaws/gsg5pk.jpg and add to that the fact that HK can absolutely smother them in legal fees and you have a no win situation for ATI. love them or hate them i feel HK had the legal right to pursue this course. ....i'm just glad i got my gsg-5 long ago ;) i really really think its important to remember that they sued over trademark and trade dress infringement… not patent infringement. Very different things.

Add to that the fact that ATI openly claimed it to be a MP5 lookalike:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3CFA%3EJaws/gsg5pk.jpg

and
add to that the fact that HK can absolutely smother them in legal fees and you have a no win situation for ATI.

love them or hate them i feel HK had the legal right to pursue this course.

….i’m just glad i got my gsg-5 long ago ;)

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]]> By: MattCFII http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/17/hk-and-ati-settle-lawsuit-gsg-5-sales-will-cease-shortly/comment-page-1/#comment-16630 MattCFII Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:23:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8593#comment-16630 But why did ATI settle so quickly on their flagship product when obviously H&K was on shaky grounds for winning a lawsuit that had even more merit that they seemed determined to fight? The HK416 is far closer to the Colt design than the airsoft shell (albeit like a nice airsoft) with a .22 in it GSG-5 that shared nothing but looks with the MP5. I really think that either they got a bad judge, bad/too expensive lawyer that made it obvious they were going to loose and they cut early to avoid a large monterary settlement against them OR H&K said you suck but we'll let you produce it for us since we can make a few hundred dollars in pure profit by putting our name on the side. It would be the win-win for both sides besides for us the buyers since support for the GSG-5 would then come from H&K. Has anybody actually confirmed that H&K and Umarex have a contract for a .22 MP5? But why did ATI settle so quickly on their flagship product when obviously H&K was on shaky grounds for winning a lawsuit that had even more merit that they seemed determined to fight? The HK416 is far closer to the Colt design than the airsoft shell (albeit like a nice airsoft) with a .22 in it GSG-5 that shared nothing but looks with the MP5.

I really think that either they got a bad judge, bad/too expensive lawyer that made it obvious they were going to loose and they cut early to avoid a large monterary settlement against them OR H&K said you suck but we’ll let you produce it for us since we can make a few hundred dollars in pure profit by putting our name on the side. It would be the win-win for both sides besides for us the buyers since support for the GSG-5 would then come from H&K. Has anybody actually confirmed that H&K and Umarex have a contract for a .22 MP5?

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