I have the R-25 and the FNAR, but not the AR-10. I just got the R-25 scoped today, so I’ll be shooting it good tomorrow.

Just a couple of quick comparisons of the 2: 1. FNAR has 100x better trigger. 2. R-25 is 10x easier to clean.

Maybe eventually I’ll set up a side by side comparison. Maybe when it gets a bit warmer outside.

As soon as I get my new scope on it, I can give you more feedback. I wanted to try the new Redfield to see if it’s as good as advertised, but the reticle I wanted in the 3-9×42 is on backorder until Feb 28, so I have to wait until it gets shipped. It’s killing me to have to wait to shoot my new R-25.

Regarding ammo comments – Do you think the German 7.62X51 (308) DAG NATO ammo is similar to the Cabelas NATO stuff you’ve been shooting?

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My bi-pod is also jumping from the recoil. I moved my left hand to one of the legs of the bipod and and tugged slightly downward. Reduced the movement considerably. I made followup shots in a 6 inch circle about 1 or 2 seconds apart. Did about 20 rds. Big fun.

Regarding ammo comments – Do you think the German 7.62X51 (308) DAG NATO ammo is similar to the Cabelas NATO stuff you’ve been shooting?

Reloading is actually pretty fun. And I load high-quality ammo for 1/2 the price of the cheapest crap I can find.

For cheap ammo, I’ve had good luck with Sellier and Ballot. The thing about them, though, they very from lot to lot. Some lots are about the best stuff you can buy, other lots, not so much.

The cheapest stuff I’ve found that I shoot out of my FNAR is the Winchester branded 7.62 NATO stuff. Cabelas has it. It’s labeled as not being reloads, but when you pull the stuff out of the box, the cases look like they’ve been carried for 8 months around Iraq linked together for a M240 or something. They shoot pretty good though. It’s not going to be match quality, but if you just want to blow off some rounds, It’s good enough.

I used to buy these products for cleaning my nasty AK’s and SKS’s. I’m not sure about the one’s you mentioned, but I noticed that most of these products are at least 51% acetone. They mix enough other stuff in to keep the volatility down, at least that’s what I was told. I found a home made recipe on the internet called “Ed’s Red” or Ed’s Red Bore Cleaner. Ingredients listed below. I don’t add the lanolin. It saves a little money for tight wads like me.

1 part Dexron II, IIe or III ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.

1 part Kerosene – deodorized, K1

1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits, Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS
#64741-49-9, or may substitute “Stoddard Solvent”, CAS #8052-41-3, or
equivalent, (aka “Varsol”)

1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.

(Optional up to 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, OK to
substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)

Anybody shoot a benelli SBE? Mine wasn’t 100% for a snipe hunt. Maybe the low-brass lead? Wasn’t cycling every time. i just cleaned it the weekend prior. ???

You just spray the quick scrub into the receiver and all the crud runs out. It works really well. You do have to watch it on the plastic parts, though, it can discolor them (or so it warns). It beats taking them all apart.

The only critisicm I have of this rifle has been having to move the sling to the side after attaching a bipod. Very uncomfortable. I bought a picatinny sling swivel and attached the sling to the side using it. It swivels better and has more separation from the rifle. Perfect. I also stalk and still hunt unless its pouring down rain (then I get in one of my hunting buddy’s boxes). This setup is as comfortable as any rifle I have that weighs half as much. I’ll be able to carry it now without it poking me in the back or side.

One more thing. That SOCOM M14 is a thing of beauty. Not going to get one though. When I have that kind money, I’m seriously considering adding a silencer to my FNAR. The video in my previous post has me thinking.

Yeah, us jarheads are pretty emphatic about our support for FN. My T.O. weapon during most of my infantry time was the M249. Including my time in the red-dirt hell a.k.a. Somalia, and it never let me down. Neither did the M9 I also carried.

I have not seen 5 rd mags for the SX-AR or FNAR, only 10 (SX) and 20 (FN). I would think they would be making them, since the SXAR is a hunting rifle, and some states have 5 rd limits.

If the FN AR is called the FNAR, why is the Winchester AR not called the WAR? j/k

I’m a former Marine and i used two machine guns made by FN. M249(5.56mm) and M240(7.62mm). They never let me down.

My next purchase will be a SOCOM M14 and after that i want a PS90.

There is a slight price difference, I don’t know if that is due to an actual difference in manufacture (which could mean that there is some type of difference in quality of material?) costs, or if it’s just that FNH thought an FN branded sniper rifle marketed towards LE/Military would sell for more than an Winchester branded hunting rifle in camo.

Right now I’m really digging the MO Brush camo and love it on my savage, and would love it on my Win SX-AR (if I were to buy one), however, I fear that in 20 years the camo will look silly and dated compared to the advanced stuff that will be out then. Kind of like my shotgun from 1988 with the silly/terrible camo that dates it back to the 80s. Therefore, even though I love MO Brush, I’m glad I have the FNAR in black, which the finish won’t be dated in 20 years

Factory Hornady 150gr BTSP ammo shoots very well for me. My trigger is very crisp and sharp. Best out of box trigger yet.

I have detachable scope mounts because i was in a hurry to hunt and no 30mm picatinny rings were in stock at my gun shop. I used Wolf and Brown Bear ammo to get on paper. When I fired the hornady factory ammo, they had so much more pop that the point of impact shifted vertically a little each time. After the 3rd shot, they grouped sub-moa. Since then, the rifle has been very accurate. I was worried about the mounts being inadequate, but they have been holding true ever since.

Does anyone know the dimensions(length) of the 5 rd mag? I read that they are as long as the 10rd witha crimp in the mag walls to prevent loading more than 5. I want one for hunting but if it is as long as the 10rd then that’s beside the point unless you’re hunting where 10rd is illegal. I thought i saw a pic of 5rd and it was smaller than 10rd but i haven’t seen an actual mag.

No, I missed desert storm. I checked into my first unit the day the air war started. Unfortunately, our AOR was SE Asia, and if you remember back then, N. Korea was threatening to invade S. Korea, and there was a coup attempt in the Philippines. I was in Somalia, though, but my T.O. weapon was a M249 and an M9.

So, I have never carried my A2 into a combat situation, but I have taken it into some extensive desert and jungle training, as well as annual weapons qual. I got out before the Corps started using the carbine, so I don’t really have a lot of hands-on with it, either.

Here are a couple of things to consider, and I wouldn’t be hesitant to get one, they are OUTSTANDING rifles.
1. What are you going to be using it for? anything over 300 meters, I would get an A2, not a carbine. Home defense; then a carbine. for varmint, then an R-15-type rifle. Big game, then an R-25-type rifle in .308, or other large calibers.
2. Me personally, I would never use wolf ammo in my AR. I’m paranoid it’s going to leave a shellac residue. You can get cheap ammo that won’t harm your gun, such as Winchester, UMC, S&B, etc. The S&B stuff is pretty good for the price, it’s just a little lacking in QC. Because I’ve shot some of their stuff from a good batch that was some REALLY good stuff, then I’ve shot some stuff that wasn’t too good.
3. If you do a lot of shooting, start reloading, like I did last April. But a Lee set for $120 and get yourself some .223 dies and a crimper for $30. You’ll be loading ammo for about 25 cents per round instead of .50-1.00 per round, and the handloads will be in the quality level of the 1.00 per round.
4. As for brands of AR, there are a lot of good ARs out there, depending on what you want. I’m looking at Colt and Bravo Co for when I buy my Carbine. But quite honestly, if I find a good deal on another brand, I’ll buy it. If I were you, I would wait until after the holidays, because I have a feeling the price of ARs will come down as some of the venders will want to get rid of some inventory (The AR market is slowing down some, but is saturated with a lot of ARs.)

Were you in Desert Storm? Re: your comments on AR. Iv’e been very hesitant to buy one. I’ve looked at the short barrel carbines, if that’s what they’re called. I believe I’d have way too much fun shooting my steel targets, although I’ve seen some cheap ammo like the Wolf I use for my SKS and AK’s. My FN buddy likes the Wilson Combat – Urban Tactical, but said a Bushmaster will do about the same thing. What is your preference?

I hear ya, I’ve always been a bolt gun guy for hunting, just because of the old “more accurate than a semi” argument. But I’ve done a lot of rethinking on that. I don’t know if that still holds as true as it used to with modern semis. There’s guys out there winning matches that are choosing AR platform rifles over bolt guns.

I love my FNAR, but now I think I want to add a R-25 to my collection (which has more than doubled in the last year. I went from 10 guns to 26 guns in the last year. It’s been fun.). I’ve always been a fan of the AR. Well, I shouldn’t say ALWAYS; back BEFORE I actually was issued one and shot it I bitched about what crap it was just because of everything I had heard from Vietnam vets. Once I actually shot one, I became a fan.

I feel like I’m on a women’s shoe blog, instead of a gun blog. “It’s ugly, I wouldn’t buy it.” “It’s too expensive to accessories it.” Just shoot the gun. And I would argue that for the quality, accuracy and features that you get with this rifle, no you can’t find a lot out there for this price. Not in a .308 tactical/sniping combat/hoot’enanny zombie killing rifle.

Also the mag is a plus compared to the BAR 3 rounds.

It’s ugly, but if you shoot one, you’ll like it. It’s not really as ugly at the range as it is in pictures. AND, it is also cheaper than the AR offerings in .308, like the Remington, which you couldn’t even find a month ago.

I’m not going to lie, I’m pretty much an FN fanboy. They did right be me in the Marines, and they’re doing right by the US shooting community.