Comments on: Pistols donated by Germany end up in Afghan and Pakistani Black Market http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mike webb http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-83877 mike webb Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:05:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-83877 Hi, Germany should have sold the Walther P1`s and P38`s to us. The gun was listed in the German Walther catalog for 800 Euros, so that was a piece of change. I have a French Manurhin P1, a nos P38 and 6 of the German army P1`s. I assembled a new steel frame bought from the distributor and a WW2 steel frame as well. Great fun. We love the guns here and more parts would have been appreciated. The steel frame is 6 ounces heavier than the aluminum frame. Recoil is not a problem with either frame but i do like the feel of a heavier gun for shooting targets but not for carrying it around though. The thicker and heavier slide was produced in 1968. About 10 years later the hex pin and the flanged barrel appeared. The first P1 was sold in 1964. When the military leaves Afghanistan they will return to the Seventeenth century. Thanks, Mike Hi, Germany should have sold the Walther P1`s and P38`s to us. The gun was listed in the German Walther catalog for 800 Euros, so that was a piece of change. I have a French Manurhin P1, a nos P38 and 6 of the German army P1`s. I assembled a new steel frame bought from the distributor and a WW2 steel frame as well. Great fun. We love the guns here and more parts would have been appreciated. The steel frame is 6 ounces heavier than the aluminum frame. Recoil is not a problem with either frame but i do like the feel of a heavier gun for shooting targets but not for carrying it around though. The thicker and heavier slide was produced in 1968. About 10 years later the hex pin and the flanged barrel appeared. The first P1 was sold in 1964. When the military leaves Afghanistan they will return to the Seventeenth century. Thanks, Mike

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]]> By: mica http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-61184 mica Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:09:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-61184 and what excatay did you expext in a country when the dammm fool,s still live in the 1600 ,s where any place thay can make a buck thay will helll the bastard willl selll thire sister,s to make a trade deal the german,s would have been better off selling thire spare p 1 and p 38,s to the usa and what excatay did you expext in a country when the dammm fool,s still live in the 1600 ,s where any place thay can make a buck thay will helll the bastard willl selll thire sister,s to make a trade deal the german,s would have been better off selling thire spare p 1 and p 38,s to the usa

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]]> By: Aras http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-60413 Aras Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:27:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-60413 Tired of people saying that there are differences over P38 and P1, yes all P1 were made with aluminium frames, but P38 was also built in aluminium frames too after WW2. Proof of that is the Portuguese army's sidearm have aluminium frames and it has P38 on the slide, some say P1. Well they are gettign all outta service, but yet a new handgun is to be decided most probably HK USP since the air force uses it. Tired of people saying that there are differences over P38 and P1, yes all P1 were made with aluminium frames, but P38 was also built in aluminium frames too after WW2. Proof of that is the Portuguese army’s sidearm have aluminium frames and it has P38 on the slide, some say P1. Well they are gettign all outta service, but yet a new handgun is to be decided most probably HK USP since the air force uses it.

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]]> By: theotherryan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-18089 theotherryan Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:24:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-18089 I would love to have one of those. Just seems like a neat little gun. I would love to have one of those. Just seems like a neat little gun.

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-18085 John Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:11:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-18085 Oops - I goofed. The hex-shaped reinforcement bolt added to later P-1s is in the frame, not the slide. My bad. Oops – I goofed. The hex-shaped reinforcement bolt added to later P-1s is in the frame, not the slide. My bad.

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]]> By: John http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-18084 John Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:09:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-18084 The P-38/P-1 slide is light and it handles recoil differently than most modern semi-autos. There are 2 very small recoil springs at the rear of the frame, the barrel does not blow back with the slide, and the top of the slide is open, allowing exhaust gas to vent out the top of the slide - along with the spent casing. Later P-1s had an additional slide reinforcement hex bolt to keep the slide from spreading laterally under the pressure of modern 9mm rounds. Mine (ca 1977) is a hoot to shoot - its more of a pop than a bang, but you have to watch out for hot brass coming up and back. Wear eye protection and a cap! The P-38/P-1 slide is light and it handles recoil differently than most modern semi-autos. There are 2 very small recoil springs at the rear of the frame, the barrel does not blow back with the slide, and the top of the slide is open, allowing exhaust gas to vent out the top of the slide – along with the spent casing.

Later P-1s had an additional slide reinforcement hex bolt to keep the slide from spreading laterally under the pressure of modern 9mm rounds.

Mine (ca 1977) is a hoot to shoot – its more of a pop than a bang, but you have to watch out for hot brass coming up and back. Wear eye protection and a cap!

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16267 Carl Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:24:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16267 How does this pistol manage the recoil of the 9x19 with such a small (and presumably light) slide? Extra strong recoil springs? Or is the slide heavier than it looks? How does this pistol manage the recoil of the 9×19 with such a small (and presumably light) slide?
Extra strong recoil springs? Or is the slide heavier than it looks?

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]]> By: Maxpwr http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16247 Maxpwr Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:57:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16247 I bookmarked the original story 3 years ago. Who knew it would come back. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565619/posts I bookmarked the original story 3 years ago. Who knew it would come back.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565619/posts

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]]> By: West http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16196 West Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16196 What a joke, how can anybody expect us to keep track of a thousand pistols? We couldnt keep track of the Stinger missles we supplied to the mujahadeen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The CIA did get a few back with a buy-back program. What a mess, I hope we get our people out of there before the whole thing goes up. What a joke, how can anybody expect us to keep track of a thousand pistols? We couldnt keep track of the Stinger missles we supplied to the mujahadeen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The CIA did get a few back with a buy-back program.

What a mess, I hope we get our people out of there before the whole thing goes up.

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]]> By: Nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16193 Nick Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:20:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16193 The P1 and P38 are actually a bit different, for what it's worth. It's not just a re-designation thing. The P1 has an aluminum frame and different grips, along with a few other small tech. changes. The P1 and P38 are actually a bit different, for what it’s worth. It’s not just a re-designation thing. The P1 has an aluminum frame and different grips, along with a few other small tech. changes.

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]]> By: Erik http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16185 Erik Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:31:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16185 This IS what happens to foreign aid. No matter if it's money, foodstuffs, medial supplies or weapons the vast majority is lost to corruption. You would think 'we' in the West would learn after over 50yrs of waste. This IS what happens to foreign aid. No matter if it’s money, foodstuffs, medial supplies or weapons the vast majority is lost to corruption. You would think ‘we’ in the West would learn after over 50yrs of waste.

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]]> By: Avtomat http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/14/pistols-donated-by-germany-end-up-in-afghan-and-pakistani-black-market/comment-page-1/#comment-16168 Avtomat Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:49:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8466#comment-16168 I hope they are keeping better track of the Krag-Jorgensen rifles we donated I hope they are keeping better track of the Krag-Jorgensen rifles we donated

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