Comments on: Robinson Armament XCR pistols now shipping

By: crisara722

crisara722 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:32:37 +0000

… point less… its maybe a good pdw, but it is not a good pistol…

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By: FLnative

FLnative — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 22:34:10 +0000

I’m just an average Joe that has been reading up on survival scenarios. This is clearly a niche weapon. As I understand it, this type of weapon is primarily a pdw, a drive and shot weapon with more knockdown power than a pistol but easier to handle inside a vehicle than a rifle or shotgun. This platform allows the user to step up from a pistol cartridge and remain usable in a compact space. Personally I am no fan of the .223/5.56 round so I would prefer this “tool” in 7.62×39 or better yet in 300 blackout. Not high on my list but I would consider one once I have a few more pressing purchases out of the way.

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By: Bob

Bob — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:09:12 +0000

This would be the ideal backpack weapon. its small powerful and has enough ammo in one magazine to take down a pack of wolfs or boar. I especially like that you can submerge it and it still fires. No more stopping to stow the firearms in plastic bags just to cross a rivers.

Its still a little $ but I will keep an eye on it.

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By: Monger

Monger — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:04:49 +0000

The point of it is they can buy it and have fun with it while their SBR paperwork in going through process. Once it comes back, they can engrave the lower as an SBR and put a stock on it.

Think it’s pointless? You can fold it up and put it in your backpack while 4 wheeling, it’s easy to deploy from a vehicle (LEO-type use), etc. It’s very light and portable.

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By: tc rider

tc rider — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:49:12 +0000

I found a purpose for these types of firearms: they are for handicapped people that aquire a permit from the dnr for shooting deers out of their vehicles. of course it is going to look as cool because in order to make it legal you can only use a 5 round magazine max, but with a combo lazer site and scope, it would be very effective and don’t forget to tie a rag to the right side to protect the passenger from hot caseings being ejected.

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By: mr ed

mr ed — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:45:44 +0000

OK, it’s impractical,as a pistol, but with a ak round in the pipe, i think if you sbr the thing it’s a great in the house self defense item, and even as a pistol easy to own and fun as hell to shoot, I Know as i have owned a plr16!

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By: Dave Killion

Dave Killion — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:59:32 +0000

@Harley D:

My local police SWAT team is ditching their MP5′s for M4 Commandos because the 9mm and .45 ACP rounds simply don’t have enough energy. The NATO 5.56mm is solving this problem for them.

Granted this machine pistol won’t have the range of even the M4, much less a longer Black Rifle like the M16/AR-15, but I definitely see a use for this as a CQW when used with frangible ammo.

Also, the CCW aspect of this had escaped me until @Cymond mentioned it. Nice idea!

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By: CMathews

CMathews — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:13:24 +0000

@ West

I’ve heard reports of pilots that fly in soldiers who’s records are mostly blacked out, to carry the MP5k as a survival weapon. Well among a host of other weapons, but this I felt had a bit of relevance to the conversation. I’m not sure about the combat effectiveness or overall practicality of a 5.56 pistol, but damn I love Metal Gear Solid hahaha. If I had the money I’d pick one up.

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By: Harley D

Harley D — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:05:20 +0000

IT would be a lot better if it was chambered in 45 ACP.

I guess .357 mag would be too much to ask too.

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By: Cymond

Cymond — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:11:50 +0000

Attaching a shoulder stock would classify it as a short-barreled-rifle under US law. That would mean federal registration, extra paperwork, and a $200 tax. Furthermore, quite a few states ban SBRs completely. A pistol version is cheaper and easier to purchase. SBRs are often unavailable even where they are technically legal. I live in a jurisction that technically allows NFA items but there are no Chief Law Enforcement Officers willing to sign the paperwork. There’s no such thing as “Shall-Issue” for CLEO signatures.

These pistol-versions-of-rifles have an additional bonus. My jurisdiction has CCW permits that only apply to handguns. It does not permit rifles, shotguns, SBRs, SBSs, machineguns, suppresors, or knives. I can conceal a pistol, but not a 4″ blade. Anyway, these are technically pistols. I could carry one from a single point sling (under a coat) if I wanted. I usually carry a pocket pistol, but I carry a full-size pistol under a coat when I walk in the country. Our rural areas are more dangerous than the urban due to the threat of wild animals and roughly-kept dogs. I wouldn’t hesistate to carry something like this on one of my woodland walks.

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By: Puke

Puke — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:35:36 +0000

I agree with Nick sentiments.
To me saying “available to civilians” means that it’s for the stupid peons being controlled by the government.

Just my opinion though.

I also try to not use the term weapon but tool instead. Why feed the liberals and elitists, eh?

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By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:44:28 +0000

Nick, I see your point.

If I say “on sale to civilians” I do mean exactly that (I am not saying it cannot be purchased by military personal). If I say on sale to military or law enforcement – I don’t mean it can be purchased by an individual cop of solider.

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By: Clodboy

Clodboy — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:38:29 +0000

Not trying to derail the topic (ok, may be slightly), but this thing (or more specifically, the idea of shooting a round designed for a 20” rifle out of a 7.5 ” pistol) got me thinking:
It seems to really hard to find efficiency data on rifles and cartridges.

As in “thermodynamic efficiency”, meaning the ratio of muzzle energy divided by the energy produced by the propellant (you’d figure that eager handloaders with access to calorimeters – preferrably somebody elses’ – to determine the energy contained in a grain of the most commonly used propellants)

Or more a for practical application, relative efficiency – i.e. the ratio of the muzzle energy between a full-length rifle (ex. M16A4) and its shorter-barrelled derivatives (i.e. M4, M4 CBQR).

Back on topic: Sure, it may for all intents and purposes be a gun of dubious practical value, but so what – if a gun is a blast for you to shoot, then it sure as hell serves its purpose.
I guess I’m a bit partial to these kinds of guns ever since playing Metal Gear Solid 3, where your mentor, a mysterious woman appropriately only referred to as “The Boss”, wields a custom AR pistol with a Beta C mag (which she naturally fires one handed… on full auto)

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By: Darrell

Darrell — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:47:53 +0000

A Kel-Tec PLR16 costs a third of that. Tons of fun.

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By: Stuart the Viking

Stuart the Viking — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:55:22 +0000

Yes, but who hunts houses with a handgun anymore? I mean is there even a handgun house hunting season? Tags? Limits?

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By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:54 +0000

XCR is a nice weapon. Trigger pull is a bit much though. I just dont get a XCR pistol or even a AR pistol. A rifle is a rifle makeing a pistol out of one is illogical.

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By: BrassSlinger

BrassSlinger — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:52 +0000

If I could install a butt stock without going through the ATF then I would buy one. I hope that one day the stupid SBR rules will be abolished.

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By: SpudGun

SpudGun — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:12:05 +0000

Jesse and Olav, thank you for your comments. You’ve both convinced me through your cleverly worded arguments and reasoned acumen that I am wrong.

How foolish do I feel? About as foolish as someone who’d blow $1500 on a useless weapon without a purpose.

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By: West

West — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:57:56 +0000

I have never been able to determine what the real utility of this configuration is other than looking cool.

Protection service? Back-up for helicopter pilots?

Are you expected to shoot this as you would a pistol? Sorry, im not Ahnold and I wasnt taught to shoot a rifle from the hip.

A collapsible stock would improve its functionality, IMHO.

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By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:22:30 +0000

I think a better term than “civilians” would be “individuals” or “the commercial market”.

When I worked for an arms retailer a while back, we used to get emails all the time like “hai i am in da army since im not a civilian can u ship me a G36C to my address kthx”. Dumbed down for comedic effect, of course, but you get the idea. People think that because they’re not “civilians” by the definition of the word, that they have some special privileges over every other citizen or individual in the U.S..

Plus the term kind of perpetuates a myth of an all knowing all powerful overlord and the unimportant, powerless masses who must bow to its every whim. Kind of a tyranny thing, I guess.

Just my two cents.

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