Comments on: The Pistol that fired all on its own? http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mica http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-67830 mica Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:57:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-67830 i aggre with ar johnson thire are some seriouse quality issuse with those gun,s i know in my case ya most of my pistol,s are famaly bring back,s eather war issuse walther,s or lugar,s but at least i know the quality is thire i know the 2 naimbue,s\ jap semi auto,s \in the back of the colection i willl never fire thire just POS quality steel and my primary carry is a 357 snub nose body gard or my walther 9x18 hay you guy,s know it as well as i do quality firearm,s last a life time and longer i figguer one of these day,s maby when thire old enofe ill hand down my collection to my kid,s provided the goverment don,t make that das verboten the girl,s willl get my pistol,s and my son who now is curled up on the couch with pop tart,s and watching cartoon,s will get his peper,s \ 303 endfield\ hay hand it down to the next gen teach em right wrong and to be true to them selve,s i aggre with ar johnson thire are some seriouse quality issuse with those gun,s i know in my case ya most of my pistol,s are famaly bring back,s eather war issuse walther,s or lugar,s but at least i know the quality is thire i know the 2 naimbue,s\ jap semi auto,s \in the back of the colection i willl never fire thire just POS quality steel and my primary carry is a 357 snub nose body gard or my walther 9×18 hay you guy,s know it as well as i do quality firearm,s last a life time and longer i figguer one of these day,s maby when thire old enofe ill hand down my collection to my kid,s provided the goverment don,t make that das verboten the girl,s willl get my pistol,s and my son who now is curled up on the couch with pop tart,s and watching cartoon,s will get his peper,s \ 303 endfield\ hay hand it down to the next gen teach em right wrong and to be true to them selve,s

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]]> By: ARJohnston http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-67783 ARJohnston Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:48:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-67783 Certified, college educated gunsmith putting in my .02. Whoever is responsible for the manufacture or distribution of jennings/bryco/jimenez firearms should be in prison for a very long time. I've been brought a lot of these in my career, and ive never encountered even one that I trusted not to kill me, much less protect my life. You're taking your life in your hands when you pick up a firearm, just spend the extra hundred bucks. You owe it to your neighbors, kids and the guy across the shooting lane. If you wont, do the entire world a tiny favor and re-evaluate your priorities. Please? Certified, college educated gunsmith putting in my .02. Whoever is responsible for the manufacture or distribution of jennings/bryco/jimenez firearms should be in prison for a very long time. I’ve been brought a lot of these in my career, and ive never encountered even one that I trusted not to kill me, much less protect my life. You’re taking your life in your hands when you pick up a firearm, just spend the extra hundred bucks. You owe it to your neighbors, kids and the guy across the shooting lane. If you wont, do the entire world a tiny favor and re-evaluate your priorities. Please?

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]]> By: Gabe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-62699 Gabe Fri, 13 May 2011 03:23:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-62699 These Jennings firearms sound like the Sten gun all over. I still have letters from a grandparent detailing his training with the sten, in which the sergeant tossed the loaded weapon into a room and slammed the steel door shut. The gun discharged the entire magazine whilst spinning in a circle... These Jennings firearms sound like the Sten gun all over.
I still have letters from a grandparent detailing his training with the sten, in which the sergeant tossed the loaded weapon into a room and slammed the steel door shut. The gun discharged the entire magazine whilst spinning in a circle…

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]]> By: mica http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-61616 mica Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:58:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-61616 i know what you mean had a guy offer me one in lue of $400 usd in a poker game now im glad i settled on his car paper,s insted sound,s like one big pos \\ not shure if the usmill let,s firearm,s throught any more unless you get a officer to sign off on a bring back and even then it,s got to be chequed off by the ncic rep\ navy cop sound,s like he baged and hid it home i know what you mean had a guy offer me one in lue of $400 usd in a poker game now im glad i settled on his car paper,s insted sound,s like one big pos \\ not shure if the usmill let,s firearm,s throught any more unless you get a officer to sign off on a bring back and even then it,s got to be chequed off by the ncic rep\ navy cop sound,s like he baged and hid it home

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15777 Carl Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:20:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15777 "carl, good point. Or at the very least lock the slide back – which would have also prevented this problem." Assuming the slide lock doesn't fail as well... I'd still suggest completely unloading before relinquishing control of any firearm. Doing it doesn't cost anything and it is the safest practice. The only situation I can think of where it would be reasonable to let go of a loaded firearm is when storing it for defensive purposes, and then you should probably either put it in a safe or securely locked in a holster fixed under your bed or whatever with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. “carl, good point. Or at the very least lock the slide back – which would have also prevented this problem.”

Assuming the slide lock doesn’t fail as well…
I’d still suggest completely unloading before relinquishing control of any firearm. Doing it doesn’t cost anything and it is the safest practice.

The only situation I can think of where it would be reasonable to let go of a loaded firearm is when storing it for defensive purposes, and then you should probably either put it in a safe or securely locked in a holster fixed under your bed or whatever with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

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]]> By: Phelps http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15772 Phelps Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:25:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15772 To be fair, at least this Jennings fired. That gives it a leg up on the last two I (gingerly) handled. To be fair, at least this Jennings fired. That gives it a leg up on the last two I (gingerly) handled.

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]]> By: Andy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15756 Andy Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:44:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15756 Anyone who fools around with such sub standard firearms, IMHO, is just setting themselves up to be a Darwin Award recipient. I actually have a Raven, given to me many many years ago, and to this day, I have yet to load & fire it. Just don't trust it. Anyone who fools around with such sub standard firearms, IMHO, is just setting themselves up to be a Darwin Award recipient.

I actually have a Raven, given to me many many years ago, and to this day, I have yet to load & fire it.

Just don’t trust it.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15755 Steve Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:19:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15755 David, you can look at one anomaly and conclude that anything is safe or unsafe. This type of fear is what anti-gunners play on. How many people have seen this happen? I know of no similar occurrence. As for someone going on a shooting rampage at a gun range ... if you think about it you are probably more safe at a gun range than anywhere else from madmen. David, you can look at one anomaly and conclude that anything is safe or unsafe. This type of fear is what anti-gunners play on. How many people have seen this happen? I know of no similar occurrence.

As for someone going on a shooting rampage at a gun range … if you think about it you are probably more safe at a gun range than anywhere else from madmen.

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]]> By: David http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15754 David Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:56:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15754 This is the reason why I haven't been able to convince my fiance to come with my to the local indoor range. After reading this, I don't blame her. She is afraid that someone will go crazy and start shooting people, and now I am afraid that someone will go crazy and buy sub-standard weapons and/or be foolish in their operations. On a positive note, the ammo shortage and high prices at the range for in-stock ammo has kept the range practically empty. Out of 18 lanes, I was the only one shooting during peak weekday times. Off-topic: The good thing about shooting a lightweight .357mag snubnose is that I can only fire off 3 rounds before I have to put the gun down to stop the bleeding. Keeps me from needing to buy more ammo. This is the reason why I haven’t been able to convince my fiance to come with my to the local indoor range. After reading this, I don’t blame her. She is afraid that someone will go crazy and start shooting people, and now I am afraid that someone will go crazy and buy sub-standard weapons and/or be foolish in their operations.

On a positive note, the ammo shortage and high prices at the range for in-stock ammo has kept the range practically empty. Out of 18 lanes, I was the only one shooting during peak weekday times.

Off-topic: The good thing about shooting a lightweight .357mag snubnose is that I can only fire off 3 rounds before I have to put the gun down to stop the bleeding. Keeps me from needing to buy more ammo.

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]]> By: Brad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15742 Brad Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:56:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15742 Sounds like the pistol suffered from runaway fire, an uncontrolled burst of fully automatic fire. That reminds me of a lawsuit filed against a manufacturer (which one I don't remember, maybe Beretta?) claiming negligent design contributed to an accidental shooting death. Apparently the dead guy accidentally shot himself when trying to unload the pistol. The claim of bad design is based on the manual safety having to be placed into 'fire' in order to open the slide and eject a round from the barrel. The reason some manual safeties lock the slide closed is to prevent the very kind of accident described in the first post, to prevent runaway fire in the event of mechanical failure. Naturally anti-gun groups consider such a manual safety a 'design defect'. Sounds like the pistol suffered from runaway fire, an uncontrolled burst of fully automatic fire.

That reminds me of a lawsuit filed against a manufacturer (which one I don’t remember, maybe Beretta?) claiming negligent design contributed to an accidental shooting death. Apparently the dead guy accidentally shot himself when trying to unload the pistol. The claim of bad design is based on the manual safety having to be placed into ‘fire’ in order to open the slide and eject a round from the barrel.

The reason some manual safeties lock the slide closed is to prevent the very kind of accident described in the first post, to prevent runaway fire in the event of mechanical failure. Naturally anti-gun groups consider such a manual safety a ‘design defect’.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15729 Steve Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:22:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15729 carl, good point. Or at the very least lock the slide back - which would have also prevented this problem. carl, good point. Or at the very least lock the slide back – which would have also prevented this problem.

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]]> By: Peter http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15724 Peter Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:53:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15724 Damn - It doesn't take an expert to figure out that that is one piece of crap,cheap rubbish. Makes Raven Arms & Hipoint look like Browning. Is this stuff heading offshore because its not safe for the US market? Damn – It doesn’t take an expert to figure out that that is one piece of crap,cheap rubbish. Makes Raven Arms & Hipoint look like Browning. Is this stuff heading offshore because its not safe for the US market?

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]]> By: carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15723 carl Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:45:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15723 Negligent discharge in my opinion. There is no reason whatsoever to load a pistol and then set it down on the bench on the range. You unload first, and then set it down. If someone hasn't learned loading and unloading a particular firearm they shouldn't be using it period. Furthermore you probably shouldn't introduce new people to shooting with unusual firearms that you haven't used very much yourself... Negligent discharge in my opinion. There is no reason whatsoever to load a pistol and then set it down on the bench on the range. You unload first, and then set it down.

If someone hasn’t learned loading and unloading a particular firearm they shouldn’t be using it period.

Furthermore you probably shouldn’t introduce new people to shooting with unusual firearms that you haven’t used very much yourself…

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15717 Steve Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:53:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15717 RCG, any semi auto can fire a burst under certain circumstances. There were idiots who polished their internal components to a point where the gun was unsafe. RCG, any semi auto can fire a burst under certain circumstances. There were idiots who polished their internal components to a point where the gun was unsafe.

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]]> By: CY http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15712 CY Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:27:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15712 A quick search of jennings firearms reveals some scary information. Allegations of catastrophic failure,poor quality and questionable business practices.These are the type of firearms that create fear and misunderstanding. I feel bad for the injured persons and hope that the lesson is to use quality firearms and follow safe procedures. A quick search of jennings firearms reveals some scary information. Allegations of catastrophic failure,poor quality and questionable business practices.These are the type of firearms that create fear and misunderstanding. I feel bad for the injured persons and hope that the lesson is to use quality firearms and follow safe procedures.

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]]> By: redmanlaw http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15710 redmanlaw Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:53:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15710 A Jennings pistol was used in the Steve McNair killing this summer: Man who allegedly provided gun busted ESPN.com news services NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Ex-NFL quarterback Steve McNair's mistress bought the gun she used to kill him from a convicted murderer whose fiancee was afraid to have it in the house, authorities said Friday. Adrian J. Gilliam Jr., 33, of La Vergne, Tenn., was charged with being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. He admitted selling a 9 mm Bryco/Jennings to Sahel Kazemi for $100, according to court documents. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4336409 A Jennings pistol was used in the Steve McNair killing this summer:

Man who allegedly provided gun busted
ESPN.com news services

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Ex-NFL quarterback Steve McNair’s mistress bought the gun she used to kill him from a convicted murderer whose fiancee was afraid to have it in the house, authorities said Friday.

Adrian J. Gilliam Jr., 33, of La Vergne, Tenn., was charged with being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. He admitted selling a 9 mm Bryco/Jennings to Sahel Kazemi for $100, according to court documents.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4336409

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]]> By: RCG http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15704 RCG Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:58:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15704 "This happened when race guns with hair triggers were drawn from a holster. The pistol would fire a burst into the shooters foot........." I am a bit disturbed by this statement. It sounds like something out of the "mainstream media" who don't know (or care) that a normal race gun doesn't ..."fire a burst...." Are we talking about something I have never heard of or just another case of very poorly chosen words? “This happened when race guns with hair triggers were drawn from a holster. The pistol would fire a burst into the shooters foot………”

I am a bit disturbed by this statement. It sounds like something out of the “mainstream media” who don’t know (or care) that a normal race gun doesn’t …”fire a burst….”

Are we talking about something I have never heard of or just another case of very poorly chosen words?

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]]> By: rhoggman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15703 rhoggman Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:55:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15703 Wow... she really dimed out her kid on the quick. Wonder how the Navy will handle this? I'm pretty positive bringing back weapons of any type is stricly forbidden. I have seen the AK's that have been "deystroyed" by having molten metal poured down the action & barrel.... but never anyone who brought back a functioning weapon legally. Wow… she really dimed out her kid on the quick. Wonder how the Navy will handle this? I’m pretty positive bringing back weapons of any type is stricly forbidden.

I have seen the AK’s that have been “deystroyed” by having molten metal poured down the action & barrel…. but never anyone who brought back a functioning weapon legally.

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]]> By: Extreme Tolerance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15702 Extreme Tolerance Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:54:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15702 "The Polk County Sheriff's Office said the gun may have been altered, leading to the malfunction." Be willing to bet this thing was stock if not in "good" condition. My father in law has one of these. Its the biggest POS ever. To bad for these people Jennings was already sued out of existence. “The Polk County Sheriff’s Office said the gun may have been altered, leading to the malfunction.”

Be willing to bet this thing was stock if not in “good” condition.

My father in law has one of these. Its the biggest POS ever. To bad for these people Jennings was already sued out of existence.

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]]> By: Phil http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/06/the-pistol-that-fired-all-on-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-15694 Phil Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:42:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8328#comment-15694 If that gun is indeed a souvenir from Iraq, someone's about to get in SEVERE trouble. If that gun is indeed a souvenir from Iraq, someone’s about to get in SEVERE trouble.

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