Comments on: New Stag Arms Model 8 (Piston) http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Viper6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-83244 Viper6 Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:50:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-83244 @ Trevor. Somehow I never saw your reply. The same day I posted I found that ther indeed was an on/off for detent on the gas block screw. Why in the world is this even an option? I understand having a variable one to increase or decrease the amount of gas if you want it suppressed. I do not see any logical reason for turning it off. After learning about the minute turn of the gas block screw from one detent to the other this rifle has been amazing and fired flawlessly again. So once again it was "operator" error. @ Trevor. Somehow I never saw your reply. The same day I posted I found that ther indeed was an on/off for detent on the gas block screw. Why in the world is this even an option? I understand having a variable one to increase or decrease the amount of gas if you want it suppressed. I do not see any logical reason for turning it off. After learning about the minute turn of the gas block screw from one detent to the other this rifle has been amazing and fired flawlessly again. So once again it was “operator” error.

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]]> By: WackoWoodchuck http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-83226 WackoWoodchuck Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:14:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-83226 I stop in at my usual gun store and there was Stag AR Model 8. Have been looking for a AR as I have had a Mini-14 for some 30 years. Which never jammed once in 5,000 - 10,000 rounds. As soon as I saw this AR I looked down the sights and it just gave me that felling u know!! it had to be mine and I look around and there was no other guns in the store. Gun show in down, anyway Stag and piston driven was knew to me but I walked out within 30 min. Love it and out of all the other AR's you can't beat it. ( Added a EOTech holographic XPS2-2 sight butted up with 3x EO scope, you will have one nice AR) I stop in at my usual gun store and there was Stag AR Model 8. Have been looking for a AR as I have had a Mini-14 for some 30 years. Which never jammed once in 5,000 – 10,000 rounds. As soon as I saw this AR I looked down the sights and it just gave me that felling u know!! it had to be mine and I look around and there was no other guns in the store. Gun show in down, anyway Stag and piston driven was knew to me but I walked out within 30 min. Love it and out of all the other AR’s you can’t beat it. ( Added a EOTech holographic XPS2-2 sight butted up with 3x EO scope, you will have one nice AR)

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]]> By: Trevor http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-78557 Trevor Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:29:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-78557 Are you sure you didnt turn of the gas system/piston by accident? Because you can turn that thing on and off right up there by the lug... Are you sure you didnt turn of the gas system/piston by accident? Because you can turn that thing on and off right up there by the lug…

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]]> By: Viper6 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-74606 Viper6 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 03:08:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-74606 Well I own this Model 8 and loved it the first day when I put a solid 500rds through it with no FTE's. After a complete strip down and cleaning (to include the piston) and reassemble, and lube it was locked away for about a month. This past weekend I took it out again with another can of 500rds in hopes of dialing in some new accessories. I am sad to say that it had an FTE the very first round. I pulled the charging handle, cleared the lodged brass, chambered a new round and fired again......FTE.....repeated the previous process and yet again FTE only this time it split the bullet casing in HALF!!!! So of course I ceased fired and field stripped the weapon and double checked the functionality of components and reassembled the rifle and performed a functions check. Another FTE.....I tried 3 types of ammo (remington 55gr, Hornady 55gr and federal 55gr) and 6 different mags. I am trying to find anything written about Pistons jamming and not finding anything. Any ideas or suggestions? I know there isnt much to go on. Well I own this Model 8 and loved it the first day when I put a solid 500rds through it with no FTE’s. After a complete strip down and cleaning (to include the piston) and reassemble, and lube it was locked away for about a month. This past weekend I took it out again with another can of 500rds in hopes of dialing in some new accessories. I am sad to say that it had an FTE the very first round. I pulled the charging handle, cleared the lodged brass, chambered a new round and fired again……FTE…..repeated the previous process and yet again FTE only this time it split the bullet casing in HALF!!!! So of course I ceased fired and field stripped the weapon and double checked the functionality of components and reassembled the rifle and performed a functions check. Another FTE…..I tried 3 types of ammo (remington 55gr, Hornady 55gr and federal 55gr) and 6 different mags. I am trying to find anything written about Pistons jamming and not finding anything. Any ideas or suggestions? I know there isnt much to go on.

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]]> By: Rick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-72046 Rick Fri, 23 Sep 2011 01:37:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-72046 For what its worth, I have owned a Model 8 for 8 months now. After close to 3000 rounds through it (and killing my wallet) I have had NO jams or malfunctions. Despite what people say about oil, I have found Rem oil (or other dry style lubes) works best on the bolt, and I use some CLP on the charging handle (upgraded to Vltor BCM med latch). I use Hoppes and a hoppes bore snake for the barrel and piston. I only lube the piston, and leave the rod dry (collects less dirt and have seen no abrasion) with rem oil. I found most 5.56 and .223 function similarly and have similar dirt. I prefer using Remington .223 UMC (more accurate), BUT it seems to create more heat than AR223 from AE at the piston block. Its more than accurate enough at 100 yrds (biggest range near me) and super easy to clean. The bolt simply needs a quick wipe (sometimes a wipe of the firing pin and spring) and it goes back almost as clean as new. The piston takes more work, but its easier than dealing with gas rings, etc. It takes all accessories (Magpul, Vltor, etc.) as well Its the best Bang for Buck piston system out there. IMO. I clean the entire rifle after every shooting session (150-300 rnds per session) and only lube it when i clean it. It has sat for weeks and come out dry, fires 100% perfect. my ONLY gripe is that I did not know there was an upgrade package that gave you a better twist rate barrel. I should have gotten that. For what its worth, I have owned a Model 8 for 8 months now. After close to 3000 rounds through it (and killing my wallet) I have had NO jams or malfunctions.
Despite what people say about oil, I have found Rem oil (or other dry style lubes) works best on the bolt, and I use some CLP on the charging handle (upgraded to Vltor BCM med latch).
I use Hoppes and a hoppes bore snake for the barrel and piston.
I only lube the piston, and leave the rod dry (collects less dirt and have seen no abrasion) with rem oil.

I found most 5.56 and .223 function similarly and have similar dirt. I prefer using Remington .223 UMC (more accurate), BUT it seems to create more heat than AR223 from AE at the piston block.

Its more than accurate enough at 100 yrds (biggest range near me) and super easy to clean.

The bolt simply needs a quick wipe (sometimes a wipe of the firing pin and spring) and it goes back almost as clean as new.
The piston takes more work, but its easier than dealing with gas rings, etc.

It takes all accessories (Magpul, Vltor, etc.) as well

Its the best Bang for Buck piston system out there. IMO.

I clean the entire rifle after every shooting session (150-300 rnds per session) and only lube it when i clean it. It has sat for weeks and come out dry, fires 100% perfect.

my ONLY gripe is that I did not know there was an upgrade package that gave you a better twist rate barrel. I should have gotten that.

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]]> By: sbrdude1 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-70046 sbrdude1 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:52:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-70046 Actually you're wrong on the manufacturer rj, it is an Adams Arms design with a few small modifications per S&Ws direction. Stag makes good piston guns but S&W's are a better more robust design hence the higher price. Actually you’re wrong on the manufacturer rj, it is an Adams Arms design with a few small modifications per S&Ws direction. Stag makes good piston guns but S&W’s are a better more robust design hence the higher price.

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]]> By: rj http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-70020 rj Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:22:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-70020 hey spud gun,if oyu knew anything about the s&w ar,you would know that they are made by stag arms and have been for a long time! they just put a nice m&p brand on it so they can charge you more.(stag has lowest price gas piston ar's.) thats one reason to buy stag over s&w. hey spud gun,if oyu knew anything about the s&w ar,you would know that they are made by stag arms and have been for a long time! they just put a nice m&p brand on it so they can charge you more.(stag has lowest price gas piston ar’s.) thats one reason to buy stag over s&w.

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]]> By: Bob Duke http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63833 Bob Duke Thu, 26 May 2011 22:06:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63833 I have a Stag Arms M-8 and I seem to be having a blown primer problem. I don't know whether it's the rifle or ammo. I used Selior & Belot 55gr fmj .223 and I've had primers blow and drop into the Trigger Housing Group and lock up the rifle. I'm wondering if it's the ammo. If anyone out there has any info or guidance please contact me bobduke@taxmtrs.com. Thanks! I have a Stag Arms M-8 and I seem to be having a blown primer problem. I don’t know whether it’s the rifle or ammo. I used Selior & Belot 55gr fmj .223 and I’ve had primers blow and drop into the Trigger Housing Group and lock up the rifle.

I’m wondering if it’s the ammo. If anyone out there has any info or guidance please contact me bobduke@taxmtrs.com.

Thanks!

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]]> By: KeithB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63373 KeithB Sat, 21 May 2011 02:05:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63373 Joe, are you in NY? my email is keithb078@yahoo.com Joe, are you in NY? my email is keithb078@yahoo.com

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]]> By: joe c http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63321 joe c Fri, 20 May 2011 11:46:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63321 keith can i get your phone number or website, so i can contact you keith

can i get your phone number or website, so i can contact you

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]]> By: KeithB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63208 KeithB Thu, 19 May 2011 11:40:27 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63208 I sell them brand new in my store for $1025 I sell them brand new in my store for $1025

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]]> By: Ironsmurf http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63183 Ironsmurf Thu, 19 May 2011 03:46:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63183 I might keep looking. I found one lightly used for 850 in Indiana. I might keep looking. I found one lightly used for 850 in Indiana.

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]]> By: joe c http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-63160 joe c Wed, 18 May 2011 21:20:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-63160 i have been looking at the model 8, i found one for 1,199.00 brand new, softcase and 10 round and 30 round mag. is this price okay? i have been looking at the model 8, i found one for 1,199.00 brand new, softcase and 10 round and 30 round mag. is this price okay?

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]]> By: Rick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-58804 Rick Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:58:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-58804 Just got my stag model 8 this morning. fired several round through it, love it so far. Took me 2 months worth or researching to find out bout them. big seller for me was the lifetime warranty they have. Overall a lil more recoil than a DI model, but love it nonetheless. Just got my stag model 8 this morning. fired several round through it, love it so far. Took me 2 months worth or researching to find out bout them. big seller for me was the lifetime warranty they have. Overall a lil more recoil than a DI model, but love it nonetheless.

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]]> By: KeithB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-53743 KeithB Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:54:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-53743 I bought both stag 3 and 8, best of both worlds, i am pretty sure the piston and rod are stainless steel, both awesome ARs. I bought both stag 3 and 8, best of both worlds, i am pretty sure the piston and rod are stainless steel, both awesome ARs.

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]]> By: Ironsmurf http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-45062 Ironsmurf Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:48:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-45062 FWIW, I went with the DI gun. I figured that since I'm already familiar with it, and since it was cheaper, what's to lose? FWIW, I went with the DI gun. I figured that since I’m already familiar with it, and since it was cheaper, what’s to lose?

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]]> By: Ironsmurf http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-44603 Ironsmurf Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:48:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-44603 I've been torturing myself over which AR to buy, and what I've found through all my research is that if you take care of your weapon, you won't have issues. Let me qualify this by giving my history: I've been in the army for 6 years, two tours in Iraq. The only problems I have ever had with my service rifles were from junk magazines failing to feed properly. I have never had another issue. That said, I always cleaned my rifle before I ate (priorities!). I was disgusted by John Doe's statement (no offense) that his SWAT team was "inconvenienced" by having to clean their rifles after every time they went to the range. Isn't that your job? What craftsman doesn't take good care of his tools? I hate cleaning up after a DI gun, but it doesn't take very long and it's quite a bit lighter than the piston models I've held. I'm heading to the store to buy a carbine this morning, and I'm still not sure which I'll buy. I went there yesterday and found two likely candidates, one was the Stag M8 and the other was a S&W M&P DI carbine. Here's my bottom line: who cares what system you get? If you don't take care of your babies, how can you possibly expect them to treat you well when they grow old? I’ve been torturing myself over which AR to buy, and what I’ve found through all my research is that if you take care of your weapon, you won’t have issues.

Let me qualify this by giving my history: I’ve been in the army for 6 years, two tours in Iraq. The only problems I have ever had with my service rifles were from junk magazines failing to feed properly. I have never had another issue. That said, I always cleaned my rifle before I ate (priorities!). I was disgusted by John Doe’s statement (no offense) that his SWAT team was “inconvenienced” by having to clean their rifles after every time they went to the range. Isn’t that your job? What craftsman doesn’t take good care of his tools?

I hate cleaning up after a DI gun, but it doesn’t take very long and it’s quite a bit lighter than the piston models I’ve held.

I’m heading to the store to buy a carbine this morning, and I’m still not sure which I’ll buy. I went there yesterday and found two likely candidates, one was the Stag M8 and the other was a S&W M&P DI carbine.

Here’s my bottom line: who cares what system you get? If you don’t take care of your babies, how can you possibly expect them to treat you well when they grow old?

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]]> By: BWall http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-38678 BWall Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:20:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-38678 Bought a CMMG piston gun few months back. I was surprised when I saw the Stag. It's not just similar, it looks EXACTLY the same. Bought a CMMG piston gun few months back. I was surprised when I saw the Stag. It’s not just similar, it looks EXACTLY the same.

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]]> By: John Doe http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-25066 John Doe Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:08:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-25066 I've never fired a piston AR-15 but I am looking into buying this model sometime in April. I think it offers a huge advantage over D.I. simply because it runs cleaner and thus is more reliable. Our SWAT team uses D.I. M-4s and we had a lot of problems with jams in the beginning until we fixed the problem by cleaning our weapons every single time after we went to the range, which of course is a little bit of an inconvenience. I've never had my M4 jam on me since then, so they are very reliable weapons IF cleaned/lubed properly. In law enforcement/civilian use this is not a big deal, but like a few of the others mentioned, in warfare I can see how it is a big disadvantage. Ive met several soldiers that were deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and all that theyve said of the M4 is that it's a horrible weapon because of all the reliability issues. I would like to see a model like this tested in those scenarios to see how it would perform. I’ve never fired a piston AR-15 but I am looking into buying this model sometime in April. I think it offers a huge advantage over D.I. simply because it runs cleaner and thus is more reliable. Our SWAT team uses D.I. M-4s and we had a lot of problems with jams in the beginning until we fixed the problem by cleaning our weapons every single time after we went to the range, which of course is a little bit of an inconvenience. I’ve never had my M4 jam on me since then, so they are very reliable weapons IF cleaned/lubed properly. In law enforcement/civilian use this is not a big deal, but like a few of the others mentioned, in warfare I can see how it is a big disadvantage. Ive met several soldiers that were deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and all that theyve said of the M4 is that it’s a horrible weapon because of all the reliability issues. I would like to see a model like this tested in those scenarios to see how it would perform.

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]]> By: zak http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/10/01/new-stag-arms-model-8-piston/comment-page-1/#comment-23542 zak Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:37:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8200#comment-23542 I am a south paw and was planing on buy the stag L1. Then i read articals about speical forces switching to the hk m416 and how it performes better than the standerd army issue m4. After that i thought about the stag m8.. dont know what one ill end up with but they both seem to be very good. I am a south paw and was planing on buy the stag L1. Then i read articals about speical forces switching to the hk m416 and how it performes better than the standerd army issue m4. After that i thought about the stag m8.. dont know what one ill end up with but they both seem to be very good.

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