Comments on: The F88T Austeyr (.22 Training Steyr AUG) http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jimmy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-80627 jimmy Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:12:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-80627 i get to use this when i join cadets next year i get to use this when i join cadets next year

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]]> By: Earnán http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-79187 Earnán Thu, 01 Dec 2011 04:55:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-79187 The magazine looks very similar to that of the Heckler & Koch HK270, which was used (inside the shell of a full-power magazine) in the H&K .22LR conversion kits for the H&K G3 and HK33, FAL and L1A1 rifles. I would not be surprised if it isn't in fact an HK270 magazine mated to an sleeve to fit the magazine well of an F88; that was precisely how the 22LR conversion kit magazine for the HK33 was configured. The magazine looks very similar to that of the Heckler & Koch HK270, which was used (inside the shell of a full-power magazine) in the H&K .22LR conversion kits for the H&K G3 and HK33, FAL and L1A1 rifles. I would not be surprised if it isn’t in fact an HK270 magazine mated to an sleeve to fit the magazine well of an F88; that was precisely how the 22LR conversion kit magazine for the HK33 was configured.

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]]> By: S.F. Larkins http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-35247 S.F. Larkins Sun, 30 May 2010 07:45:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-35247 The F88T was an on and off requirement as part of the Small Arms Replacement Project. It was abandoned early in the project (1991-3) because of difficulties coming up with a reliable system, and the fact that the 1:7 twist barrels of the F88 chewed up the lead .22LR projectiles, which are normally fired out of 1:14 twist barrels and there was only ever a limited requirement anyway. The real reason for their development was to enable their use in environmentally sensitive tropical ranges were full calibre ammo rapidly shreds the vegetation. I was surprised to see the requirement resurrected. I saw and handled one in 2005. It was unreliable and I'll bet anything you like they would cost a lot more than the real thing becasuer there was so few of them made. The advent of WTSS means there is no real need for them. HBARs were trialled but never purchased in quantity and there was no notion that they were going to replace the Minimi. The Aus spec called for a belt fed LSW and that's what we got. The F88T was an on and off requirement as part of the Small Arms Replacement Project. It was abandoned early in the project (1991-3) because of difficulties coming up with a reliable system, and the fact that the 1:7 twist barrels of the F88 chewed up the lead .22LR projectiles, which are normally fired out of 1:14 twist barrels and there was only ever a limited requirement anyway.

The real reason for their development was to enable their use in environmentally sensitive tropical ranges were full calibre ammo rapidly shreds the vegetation.

I was surprised to see the requirement resurrected. I saw and handled one in 2005. It was unreliable and I’ll bet anything you like they would cost a lot more than the real thing becasuer there was so few of them made. The advent of WTSS means there is no real need for them.

HBARs were trialled but never purchased in quantity and there was no notion that they were going to replace the Minimi. The Aus spec called for a belt fed LSW and that’s what we got.

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]]> By: M. Wild http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-22154 M. Wild Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:04:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-22154 Thank you to whoever found that photo! For half a year now I've been looking for one. I found out about it on my F88 Austeyr course with the Australian Air Force Cadets (AAFC) and was told how they were made originally for us (ADF Cadets) Except something happened and we never saw them, Since then I really wanted to see what it would look like, especially the Mag. I was told the the Airfield Defence Guards are issued with them, because they can injure someone as much as a 5.56 to a human (bull***t) But if it accidently hits an Aircraft It wont do the same amount of Damage a 5.56 would. Thank you to whoever found that photo! For half a year now I’ve been looking for one. I found out about it on my F88 Austeyr course with the Australian Air Force Cadets (AAFC) and was told how they were made originally for us (ADF Cadets) Except something happened and we never saw them, Since then I really wanted to see what it would look like, especially the Mag.
I was told the the Airfield Defence Guards are issued with them, because they can injure someone as much as a 5.56 to a human (bull***t) But if it accidently hits an Aircraft It wont do the same amount of Damage a 5.56 would.

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]]> By: j5 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-15349 j5 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:29:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-15349 I'm not entirely sure that is the F88T. The 88Ts I trained with as an RAAF cadet and later saw in the RAAF were all converted A1s, with the older Swarkovski sights. That weapon looks to me to be a converted A2, or what we call an F88S. I'd be suprised to learn that they'd initiated an upgrade program on the old 88Ts. Either way, the 88T was a great weapon, especially for Cadets and recruits who might never have used a firearm in their lives to train on something as fun as a .22 Steyr. There is one even more obscure F88 variant that I'd love to see a photo of: the F88 HBAR. When the Australian Defence Force initiated the purchase of the Steyr, or what was to become the F88, they did so on the proviso the weapon system could be converted to suit every role. They ditched the 9mm Aug Para early in favour of the F88C carbine as a tank crew weapon, but somewhere, out there, were Light Machine Gun conversions that were supposed to replace the FN Minimi. I’m not entirely sure that is the F88T. The 88Ts I trained with as an RAAF cadet and later saw in the RAAF were all converted A1s, with the older Swarkovski sights. That weapon looks to me to be a converted A2, or what we call an F88S.

I’d be suprised to learn that they’d initiated an upgrade program on the old 88Ts.

Either way, the 88T was a great weapon, especially for Cadets and recruits who might never have used a firearm in their lives to train on something as fun as a .22 Steyr.

There is one even more obscure F88 variant that I’d love to see a photo of: the F88 HBAR. When the Australian Defence Force initiated the purchase of the Steyr, or what was to become the F88, they did so on the proviso the weapon system could be converted to suit every role. They ditched the 9mm Aug Para early in favour of the F88C carbine as a tank crew weapon, but somewhere, out there, were Light Machine Gun conversions that were supposed to replace the FN Minimi.

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]]> By: AB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-14971 AB Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:55:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-14971 That's a pretty neat conversion setup. You can get 500 rounds for the same cost as 20 so your savings are right there. Granted, it won't have the feel and handling as a fully armed weapon, but that training would come later after people are familiarized with the weapons system. That’s a pretty neat conversion setup. You can get 500 rounds for the same cost as 20 so your savings are right there. Granted, it won’t have the feel and handling as a fully armed weapon, but that training would come later after people are familiarized with the weapons system.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/the-f88t-austeyr-22-training-steyr-aug/comment-page-1/#comment-14970 jdun1911 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:56:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=8059#comment-14970 The .22lr is fun to shot and a great round to train with. By far my favorite, caliber. Conversion kit at first glance to most people aren't worth the price. In reality they are a great cost saving product. I have a Ciener kit for my AR15 and it save me a ton of money. I'm able to train at the range without worrying about ammo prices. The .22lr is fun to shot and a great round to train with. By far my favorite, caliber.

Conversion kit at first glance to most people aren’t worth the price. In reality they are a great cost saving product.

I have a Ciener kit for my AR15 and it save me a ton of money. I’m able to train at the range without worrying about ammo prices.

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