Comments on: DSEi 09: New design HK416 Sub-Carbine http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bill http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-67510 Bill Sat, 16 Jul 2011 06:13:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-67510 Does anyone know where to get this upper or this stock?? Or is it even avalible??? Does anyone know where to get this upper or this stock?? Or is it even avalible???

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]]> By: Jeff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-63369 Jeff Sat, 21 May 2011 01:18:01 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-63369 geez HK loves making those no cheek-weld wire stocks geez HK loves making those no cheek-weld wire stocks

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]]> By: Alaskan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-63317 Alaskan Fri, 20 May 2011 11:09:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-63317 Just because it doesn't fit within someone's pre-defined parameters of what a "gun" should be..doesn't mean it does not work. jody..would you like to volunteer to get shot by the new HK 416 sub-carbine as a test subject, so scientists can examine your body to see the effects? The .45ACP round is 107 years old,yet MANY people the world over depend on it to stop a fight and it has.. the 9mm is 109 years old,yet a lot of european countries equip their Armed Forces with it. TL:DR? jody=troll Just because it doesn’t fit within someone’s pre-defined parameters of what a “gun” should be..doesn’t mean it does not work.

jody..would you like to volunteer to get shot by the new HK 416 sub-carbine as a test subject, so scientists can examine your body to see the effects?

The .45ACP round is 107 years old,yet MANY people the world over depend on it to stop a fight and it has..

the 9mm is 109 years old,yet a lot of european countries equip their Armed Forces with it.

TL:DR?
jody=troll

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]]> By: raven http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-55261 raven Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:06:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-55261 has anyone seen the stock and adapter for sale at all? i have not seen anything more than these photos of the collapsible style mp5 stock. would love to see this available for a custom sbr build. has anyone seen the stock and adapter for sale at all? i have not seen anything more than these photos of the collapsible style mp5 stock. would love to see this available for a custom sbr build.

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]]> By: Chortles http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-52430 Chortles Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:45:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-52430 I've since found that H&K officially dubbed it the HK416C back in mid-2010: http://www.heckler-koch.com/HKWebText/detailProd/1928/475/4/19 Claimed collapsed length is just over 22 inches long (27.15 inches extended). I’ve since found that H&K officially dubbed it the HK416C back in mid-2010:

http://www.heckler-koch.com/HKWebText/detailProd/1928/475/4/19

Claimed collapsed length is just over 22 inches long (27.15 inches extended).

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]]> By: mr_lorenco (republick of kosovo) http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-44033 mr_lorenco (republick of kosovo) Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:05:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-44033 the 5.45 R and the 5.8 chinese both outperform the .223 rem/5.56 NATO nato round yes its like a religion with this round ..... the 5.45 R
and the 5.8 chinese both outperform the .223 rem/5.56 NATO nato round yes its like a religion with this round …..

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]]> By: Cool-LD http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-17278 Cool-LD Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:20:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-17278 Great info. I read this site just about everyday. Don't think it has been said yet so I will go ahead and "stir the pudding". I tend to agree that the 5.56 is reaching end of life. Much like the 9mm. American law enforcement lead they way in migrating from 9mm sidearms to the 40 cal. The next evolution with tactical units and entry teams, where smaller is better, will be in 8" AR platforms firing the 6.8 SPC. The round was designed for SBR's and has out performed 5.56 by leaps and bounds. If American LE adopts this will the military? Who knows. But you can bet it would be in the running when that time comes. Just to think, the US Military, NATO, Federal and Local law enforcement all standardized on the same small arms ammo.... It would be a beautiful thing. Great info. I read this site just about everyday.

Don’t think it has been said yet so I will go ahead and “stir the pudding”. I tend to agree that the 5.56 is reaching end of life. Much like the 9mm.

American law enforcement lead they way in migrating from 9mm sidearms to the 40 cal. The next evolution with tactical units and entry teams, where smaller is better, will be in 8″ AR platforms firing the 6.8 SPC.

The round was designed for SBR’s and has out performed 5.56 by leaps and bounds. If American LE adopts this will the military? Who knows. But you can bet it would be in the running when that time comes.

Just to think, the US Military, NATO, Federal and Local law enforcement all standardized on the same small arms ammo…. It would be a beautiful thing.

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]]> By: Edward http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14896 Edward Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:38:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14896 Unfortunately, Stephen B, that third picture is NOT the redesigned HK416 SBR, but rather Colt's SCW. Unfortunately, Stephen B, that third picture is NOT the redesigned HK416 SBR, but rather Colt’s SCW.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14894 Steve Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:57:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14894 jody, you don't find that many people obsessed with it. It is the NATO cartridge and nearly all NATO members use it, most of whom are Europeans. The Russians went with a similar round, and the Chinese are switching to only a marginally better round (5.8mm). jody, you don’t find that many people obsessed with it.

It is the NATO cartridge and nearly all NATO members use it, most of whom are Europeans. The Russians went with a similar round, and the Chinese are switching to only a marginally better round (5.8mm).

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]]> By: jody http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14893 jody Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:46:50 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14893 as somebody who is fairly into the physics, chemistry, and engineering of guns and guns systems, from pistols all the way up to tank cannons and artillery, i find the american obsession with 5.56x45 to be borderline retarded. the near religious attachment to 5.56x45 in the united states is one of the all-time head scratchers in weapons history. it is especially hard to understand considering just how hard the americans fought and resisted 50 years ago to any suggestion from anybody that maybe .30 caliber rifle ammunition was not ideal for modern rifles. then the americans adopt .22 caliber ammunition almost as an accident, and are now, 50 years later, maintaining a similar, iron-clad committment to a caliber that also does not work that well for what they want it to do. i can almost guarantee that the year 2050 will roll around and the americans will still, nearly 100 years later, be absolutely adamant that varmint caliber ammunition is, with absolute certainty, the way to go. i can barely fathom how many "new" rifle designs will pass between then and now, all of them required, absolutely chained down, to being designed around a rifle round from the mid 20th century that was designed to kill prairie dogs, gophers, squirrels, and rabbits. rifles like this "sub-carbine" make even less sense, as 5.56 is absolutely reliant on velocity to inflict killing wounds. so, i generally laugh off all these "great", "new" rifle designs. there won't be anything new in the rifle and machinegun world until the americans realize that they don't have to eat hamburgers for every single meal. since everybody in NATO is essentially required to do what the US does, it will be anemic 5.56x45 from now until the cows come how. as somebody who is fairly into the physics, chemistry, and engineering of guns and guns systems, from pistols all the way up to tank cannons and artillery, i find the american obsession with 5.56×45 to be borderline retarded. the near religious attachment to 5.56×45 in the united states is one of the all-time head scratchers in weapons history.

it is especially hard to understand considering just how hard the americans fought and resisted 50 years ago to any suggestion from anybody that maybe .30 caliber rifle ammunition was not ideal for modern rifles. then the americans adopt .22 caliber ammunition almost as an accident, and are now, 50 years later, maintaining a similar, iron-clad committment to a caliber that also does not work that well for what they want it to do.

i can almost guarantee that the year 2050 will roll around and the americans will still, nearly 100 years later, be absolutely adamant that varmint caliber ammunition is, with absolute certainty, the way to go.

i can barely fathom how many “new” rifle designs will pass between then and now, all of them required, absolutely chained down, to being designed around a rifle round from the mid 20th century that was designed to kill prairie dogs, gophers, squirrels, and rabbits. rifles like this “sub-carbine” make even less sense, as 5.56 is absolutely reliant on velocity to inflict killing wounds.

so, i generally laugh off all these “great”, “new” rifle designs. there won’t be anything new in the rifle and machinegun world until the americans realize that they don’t have to eat hamburgers for every single meal. since everybody in NATO is essentially required to do what the US does, it will be anemic 5.56×45 from now until the cows come how.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14874 jdun1911 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:15:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14874 The 20 round Lancer L5 by far is the best looking magazine to take picture with. It's too sexy even for me. The HK stock look like it weight a lot for its' size. The 20 round Lancer L5 by far is the best looking magazine to take picture with. It’s too sexy even for me.

The HK stock look like it weight a lot for its’ size.

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]]> By: CMathews http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14857 CMathews Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:44:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14857 I'd like to know the specs on the buffer tube as well, I'm sure it's a rather heavy buffer. I’d like to know the specs on the buffer tube as well, I’m sure it’s a rather heavy buffer.

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]]> By: Stephen B http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14845 Stephen B Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:49:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14845 I like the pmag addition in the third pic. All the other pics I've seen of this gun include the old USGI mags. I like the pmag addition in the third pic. All the other pics I’ve seen of this gun include the old USGI mags.

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]]> By: Canthros http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14841 Canthros Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:48:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14841 I'd love to know what changes are involved in accomodating the super-shorty buffer tubes on what is, essentially, an AR-15, and how they affect the function and reliability. It's interesting to see all the strange and interesting design hacks employed to get around flaws (whether real or perceived) in the platform's original design. I’d love to know what changes are involved in accomodating the super-shorty buffer tubes on what is, essentially, an AR-15, and how they affect the function and reliability. It’s interesting to see all the strange and interesting design hacks employed to get around flaws (whether real or perceived) in the platform’s original design.

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]]> By: JS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/21/dsei-09-new-design-hk416-sub-carbine/comment-page-1/#comment-14839 JS Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:45:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7975#comment-14839 I like, I like. I am not as much worried about H&K selling this upper to us civilians as I would like to see someone in the aftermarket come out with a similar solution of adding this to any existing AR upper. And I don't like side folders at all. I like, I like. I am not as much worried about H&K selling this upper to us civilians as I would like to see someone in the aftermarket come out with a similar solution of adding this to any existing AR upper. And I don’t like side folders at all.

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