Comments on: SIG516: Sig Sauer enters the AR-15 market! http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:10:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bee http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-66401 bee Sun, 03 Jul 2011 18:32:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-66401 I have a Sig 516 patrol & a Sig 522 swat. I haven't have any issues at all with any of them. Just yesterday i shot 200rds through the 516 with out any problems and shot over 300rds with the 522. From my experience: Sig 522: Shot over 2000rds and had only about 5 misfires 3 of them due to bulk ammo. cleaning is done in 10 mins. It has a Tasco red dot with a angled Magpul foregrip. Its my practice plinker =). plus it is great on the pocket. 500rds for $20 you cant beat that. All in all its a great gun don't have any issues. Sig 516: Shot only 500rds. still breaking it in but its been a beast. i put the Bushnell trophy 1x32mm red/green dot in support to the "IRON SIGHTS" that came with the gun. I guess Sig got everyone's feedback about there red dot and fixed that issue. Kudos to Sig's PR. i was about to get Troy's front/rear flip up sights anyways if it did come with the red dot. Over all very impressed. FYI... if i didn't get the 516 i was going to get the DDm4 V5. either way i chose would think i would of been happy either way i went. They both great "USER" reviews many months of research. I have a Sig 516 patrol & a Sig 522 swat. I haven’t have any issues at all with any of them. Just yesterday i shot 200rds through the 516 with out any problems and shot over 300rds with the 522.
From my experience:
Sig 522:
Shot over 2000rds and had only about 5 misfires 3 of them due to bulk ammo. cleaning is done in 10 mins. It has a Tasco red dot with a angled Magpul foregrip. Its my practice plinker =). plus it is great on the pocket. 500rds for $20 you cant beat that. All in all its a great gun don’t have any issues.
Sig 516:
Shot only 500rds. still breaking it in but its been a beast. i put the Bushnell trophy 1x32mm red/green dot in support to the “IRON SIGHTS” that came with the gun. I guess Sig got everyone’s feedback about there red dot and fixed that issue. Kudos to Sig’s PR. i was about to get Troy’s front/rear flip up sights anyways if it did come with the red dot. Over all very impressed.

FYI… if i didn’t get the 516 i was going to get the DDm4 V5. either way i chose would think i would of been happy either way i went. They both great “USER” reviews many months of research.

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]]> By: hifiho http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-48614 hifiho Sun, 05 Dec 2010 03:12:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-48614 Just bought a 516 Patrol today for $1329 (local dealer). No iron sights. Cheesy Sig-branded red dot, hard case, cleaning kit, and an aluminum 30 rd. magazine. I've owned the 556 for a little over a year. I probably won't make it out to the range 'til after Christmas. Rifle feels good in the hand, and weighs much less than my pimped-out 556. I hope to get a decent scope installed before range day. Just bought a 516 Patrol today for $1329 (local dealer). No iron sights. Cheesy Sig-branded red dot, hard case, cleaning kit, and an aluminum 30 rd. magazine. I’ve owned the 556 for a little over a year. I probably won’t make it out to the range ’til after Christmas. Rifle feels good in the hand, and weighs much less than my pimped-out 556. I hope to get a decent scope installed before range day.

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]]> By: ed harris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-44401 ed harris Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:32:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-44401 Price of 556 just purchased 9/1/10 was $1700. Included special sigh and hard case. nice weapon. Price of 556 just purchased 9/1/10 was $1700. Included special sigh and hard case. nice weapon.

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]]> By: slavy77 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-36158 slavy77 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:50:37 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-36158 I read this blog a lot and whenever SIG comes up it seems like there is a lot of negativity towards US made. I'm just getting into hand guns and I'm wondering why so many people are against US built Sigs? just wondering. I read this blog a lot and whenever SIG comes up it seems like there is a lot of negativity towards US made. I’m just getting into hand guns and I’m wondering why so many people are against US built Sigs?

just wondering.

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]]> By: Counsel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-33017 Counsel Sat, 08 May 2010 16:16:34 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-33017 Have a SIG P239 in .40, and I have yet to have any failure. Yes, made in the USA. Have a SIG P239 in .40, and I have yet to have any failure. Yes, made in the USA.

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]]> By: The Age Old Question: AK-47 vs. AR-15? « Suburban Survivalist http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-26363 The Age Old Question: AK-47 vs. AR-15? « Suburban Survivalist Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:33:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-26363 [...] aware of the issues related to having a clean AR-15, which is why I plan on eventually purchasing a piston operated SIG516 with a 16″ or 20″ barrel. It’s an investment, but I have to have something lighter than the SKS I currently [...] [...] aware of the issues related to having a clean AR-15, which is why I plan on eventually purchasing a piston operated SIG516 with a 16″ or 20″ barrel. It’s an investment, but I have to have something lighter than the SKS I currently [...]

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]]> By: racine http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-19171 racine Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:24:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-19171 Sig had the right idea for the US market but follow through was sloppy. I believe the tolerances were not to the same as the 550/51 as far as the barrel goes and they left out the stock rear sight in place of a flimsy flip up and cheap red dot. The thing packs as much as an FN para empty. All this for the cost of an FN FAL. I lost interest in this piston drive and will wait to consider the SW M&P PS vs. another lightweight model. If they bring out a model called 'classic' then maybe they ought to have near identical furniture and features. Sig had the right idea for the US market but follow through was sloppy. I believe the tolerances were not to the same as the 550/51 as far as the barrel goes and they left out the stock rear sight in place of a flimsy flip up and cheap red dot. The thing packs as much as an FN para empty. All this for the cost of an FN FAL. I lost interest in this piston drive and will wait to consider the SW M&P PS vs. another lightweight model. If they bring out a model called ‘classic’ then maybe they ought to have near identical furniture and features.

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]]> By: Wray http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-15810 Wray Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:58:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-15810 The SIG556 is an amazing weapon-system. I can get .25-.50 MOA out to 300yrds with my handloads, and after burning through 90 Wolfe rounds as fast as I could, I could comfortably hold the bolt in my hand. The 1-7" twist is kinda fast, but for heavier hunting loads it stabilizes them wonderfully. And it shoots great after submersion in water with a variety of rounds mixed in a magazine. I think that the charging lever needs to be re-thought (in terms of the angle it portrudes), and the back-up rear sight is as flimsy as they come. and it would be better if they sold it without polymer. I hate too much polymer on a rifle, especially a polymer rail system-WTF?. But it is by no means a failure. Throw an EOTech on there and take it to war! In regards to the 516, I would like to own one, should it prove to be reliable. After playing around with M16's and M4's for so long, I've just lost interest and respect for gas impingment. The SIG556 is an amazing weapon-system. I can get .25-.50 MOA out to 300yrds with my handloads, and after burning through 90 Wolfe rounds as fast as I could, I could comfortably hold the bolt in my hand. The 1-7″ twist is kinda fast, but for heavier hunting loads it stabilizes them wonderfully. And it shoots great after submersion in water with a variety of rounds mixed in a magazine.

I think that the charging lever needs to be re-thought (in terms of the angle it portrudes), and the back-up rear sight is as flimsy as they come. and it would be better if they sold it without polymer. I hate too much polymer on a rifle, especially a polymer rail system-WTF?. But it is by no means a failure. Throw an EOTech on there and take it to war!

In regards to the 516, I would like to own one, should it prove to be reliable. After playing around with M16′s and M4′s for so long, I’ve just lost interest and respect for gas impingment.

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]]> By: CS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14796 CS Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:14:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14796 All my Swiss Arms are made in Switzerland. A few SIG pistols are German, never bought any US made SIGs. All my Swiss Arms are made in Switzerland. A few SIG pistols are German, never bought any US made SIGs.

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]]> By: Nick http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14786 Nick Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:16:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14786 Sig has offically died. They were on their deathbed when they started making 1911's. They should just take the "SIG" out of their name and leave it "USA". Keep the real "SIG" production in Germany. Sig has offically died. They were on their deathbed when they started making 1911′s.

They should just take the “SIG” out of their name and leave it “USA”.

Keep the real “SIG” production in Germany.

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]]> By: CS http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14673 CS Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:03:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14673 Great news. I love Swiss Arms/SIG rifles. Amazing quality. Here in Canada we get the SG550 and a variety of flavors down to the CQB. I have a: Swiss Arms SG 550 (20.7" barrel with 1:7 twist) Swiss Arms CQB (8.9" barrel) I absolutely love their reliable piston system and the Swiss Arm guns are insanely reliable. Never had a single issue ever with about 9,000 rounds in the last year. I thought you might find the tests performed on a Swiss Arms SG 550 interesting http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/ Great blog, I am a daily visitor. Cameron Great news. I love Swiss Arms/SIG rifles. Amazing quality.

Here in Canada we get the SG550 and a variety of flavors down to the CQB.

I have a:
Swiss Arms SG 550 (20.7″ barrel with 1:7 twist)
Swiss Arms CQB (8.9″ barrel)

I absolutely love their reliable piston system and the Swiss Arm guns are insanely reliable. Never had a single issue ever with about 9,000 rounds in the last year.

I thought you might find the tests performed on a Swiss Arms SG 550 interesting

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Great blog, I am a daily visitor.

Cameron

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14665 jdun1911 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:48:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14665 reed, It's a market failure. If the Sig 556 were a huge success they wouldn’t be coming out with the 516 would they? The Sig 556 has the stigma of being the bastard child of the AR and AK. If Sig had put a folding stock instead of the typical M4 version, I think the outcome might be different. Bad overall marketing IMO. reed,

It’s a market failure. If the Sig 556 were a huge success they wouldn’t be coming out with the 516 would they?

The Sig 556 has the stigma of being the bastard child of the AR and AK. If Sig had put a folding stock instead of the typical M4 version, I think the outcome might be different. Bad overall marketing IMO.

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]]> By: reed http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14630 reed Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:59:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14630 @ jdun1911: I don't see any indication that the 556 was a failure. Yeah, they were stupid not to make the rifle that everyone wanted (i.e., SG 551), that was already established, but the 556 already has plenty of accessories coming out for it. The only consistent complaint I've seen about the rifle is that the SIG skimped on the furniture. @ jdun1911:

I don’t see any indication that the 556 was a failure. Yeah, they were stupid not to make the rifle that everyone wanted (i.e., SG 551), that was already established, but the 556 already has plenty of accessories coming out for it. The only consistent complaint I’ve seen about the rifle is that the SIG skimped on the furniture.

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]]> By: Noah http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14627 Noah Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:16:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14627 Wow. I had figured that SIG was selling all of the 556s that they could make, I'm suprised by this. I guess it's true, everyone wants an AR. Wow. I had figured that SIG was selling all of the 556s that they could make, I’m suprised by this. I guess it’s true, everyone wants an AR.

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14609 SpudGun Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:13:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14609 Thanks jdun 1911. I suppose with the rail mounted version becoming the norm, it's not an absolute necessisty anymore. Thanks jdun 1911. I suppose with the rail mounted version becoming the norm, it’s not an absolute necessisty anymore.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14607 Daniel E. Watters Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:38:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14607 englishfil: Thank you! I had totally forgotten about the MOD's "Close Quarter Lethality" (CQL) solicitation from May of this year. Expressions of interest are sought from companies wishing to be considered for the provision of qty 300 5.56mm Close Quarter Lethality. The weapon system comprises the weapons and associated ancilliaries. A Modified OFF The Shelf (MOTS) procurement is envisaged. the following Key User Requirements (KURs) must be met by any system proposed for this requirement. The KURs are: 1) The user requires a rifle capable of delivering an incapacitating effect in an unarmoured human target at 200m range. 2) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can be brought to bear in confined spaces, overall length (with butt folded or retracted) no more thna 560mm with an objective overall length of 500mm. 3) The user shall be provided with a rifle with a folding or extendable butt. 4) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can be fired and operated from either the right or left shoulder. 5) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can fit the in-service SureFire flash hider via a threaded barrel end. 6) The user shall be provided with a removable NVH-compatible, 4MOA mini red dot/holographic CQB sight, fitted via a Mil Std 1913 Picatinny or STANAG 4694 NATO Accessory Rail interface. 7) The user shall be provided with a rifle capable of firing all UK in-service 5.56 x 45mm ammunition natures. 8 ) The user shall be provided with a rifle that is not degraded by prolonged exposure to a salt fog environment. 9) The user requires that the weapon is Safe and Suitable for Service (S3). 100 The user requires that the weapon must not contravene any aspect of the Geneva Convention, Hague Protocol or International Humanitarian Law. 11) The user requires that the weapon is safe in storage, transport, use, maintenance and disposal. 12) The user must be able to fire the system in the following operating environments as defined in DEFSTAN 00-35 (A1-3, B1-3, C1-2, M1-2) englishfil: Thank you! I had totally forgotten about the MOD’s “Close Quarter Lethality” (CQL) solicitation from May of this year.

Expressions of interest are sought from companies wishing to be considered for the provision of qty 300 5.56mm Close Quarter Lethality. The weapon system comprises the weapons and associated ancilliaries. A Modified OFF The Shelf (MOTS) procurement is envisaged. the following Key User Requirements (KURs) must be met by any system proposed for this requirement. The KURs are:
1) The user requires a rifle capable of delivering an incapacitating effect in an unarmoured human target at 200m range.
2) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can be brought to bear in confined spaces, overall length (with butt folded or retracted) no more thna 560mm with an objective overall length of 500mm.
3) The user shall be provided with a rifle with a folding or extendable butt.
4) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can be fired and operated from either the right or left shoulder.
5) The user shall be provided with a rifle that can fit the in-service SureFire flash hider via a threaded barrel end.
6) The user shall be provided with a removable NVH-compatible, 4MOA mini red dot/holographic CQB sight, fitted via a Mil Std 1913 Picatinny or STANAG 4694 NATO Accessory Rail interface.
7) The user shall be provided with a rifle capable of firing all UK in-service 5.56 x 45mm ammunition natures.
8 ) The user shall be provided with a rifle that is not degraded by prolonged exposure to a salt fog environment.
9) The user requires that the weapon is Safe and Suitable for Service (S3).
100 The user requires that the weapon must not contravene any aspect of the Geneva Convention, Hague Protocol or International Humanitarian Law.
11) The user requires that the weapon is safe in storage, transport, use, maintenance and disposal.
12) The user must be able to fire the system in the following operating environments as defined in DEFSTAN 00-35 (A1-3, B1-3, C1-2, M1-2)

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14605 jdun1911 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:12:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14605 SpudGun, The thinning in the middle is to mount the grenade launcher. It also cut down on the weight of the barrel. SpudGun,

The thinning in the middle is to mount the grenade launcher. It also cut down on the weight of the barrel.

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]]> By: englishfil http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14604 englishfil Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:07:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14604 My own DSEi experience: I had hands on with this and Sabre Defence's 6" barreled PDW which is similar in appearance (magwell grip vs mini vertical grip). I believe the Sabre model _is_ an entry in the British Army carbine comp. Both are very nice, well engineered weapons - Sabre is British! HK was showing a prototype 9" barrel HK416 with a sliding stock similar to MP5 retractable (i.e. rod down either side of receiver). Superb HK German engineering BUT it felt significantly, maybe too much, heavier than either of the first two. The SIG and HK are both piston models - I think the Sabre is direct gas - probably no big issue with a PDW because it is less likely to live rough in the field. Knowing Sabre they could do a piston version if you had a compelling contract on offer. As a huge fan of short longs I would not hesitate carrying any of them for work purposes if I still had the job - heck of a lot more punch than an MP5K plus I have the M16 pretty sorted in muscle memory. Of course ammo choice becomes more important in shorties - have you seen the price of Mk 262 Mod 1? My own DSEi experience: I had hands on with this and Sabre Defence’s 6″ barreled PDW which is similar in appearance (magwell grip vs mini vertical grip). I believe the Sabre model _is_ an entry in the British Army carbine comp. Both are very nice, well engineered weapons – Sabre is British!
HK was showing a prototype 9″ barrel HK416 with a sliding stock similar to MP5 retractable (i.e. rod down either side of receiver). Superb HK German engineering BUT it felt significantly, maybe too much, heavier than either of the first two.
The SIG and HK are both piston models – I think the Sabre is direct gas – probably no big issue with a PDW because it is less likely to live rough in the field. Knowing Sabre they could do a piston version if you had a compelling contract on offer.
As a huge fan of short longs I would not hesitate carrying any of them for work purposes if I still had the job – heck of a lot more punch than an MP5K plus I have the M16 pretty sorted in muscle memory. Of course ammo choice becomes more important in shorties – have you seen the price of Mk 262 Mod 1?

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14602 Steve Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:39:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14602 jcmiller, ah! I did not spot that! jcmiller, ah! I did not spot that!

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/16/sig516-sig-sauer-enters-the-ar-15-market/comment-page-1/#comment-14594 jdun1911 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:57:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7793#comment-14594 Steve, You're right everybody wants an AR15. The Sig 556 as we all know is a complete market failure. There was so much hype on the rifle that people sold their AR15 to buy it. One year later these people sold their Sig 556 to get back their AR15. When you're dealing with civilians sells, customization rules all. The only auto loader rifle that has nearly as much third party support is the Ruger 10/22 and they sell very well. The AR15 is the past, present, and future of small arms. I do not see it being replace anytime soon. Steve,

You’re right everybody wants an AR15.

The Sig 556 as we all know is a complete market failure. There was so much hype on the rifle that people sold their AR15 to buy it. One year later these people sold their Sig 556 to get back their AR15.

When you’re dealing with civilians sells, customization rules all. The only auto loader rifle that has nearly as much third party support is the Ruger 10/22 and they sell very well.

The AR15 is the past, present, and future of small arms. I do not see it being replace anytime soon.

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