Comments on: SG-43 Semi-Automatic Goryunov 7.62×54R for sale http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:17:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: joe man http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-28926 joe man Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:31:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-28926 I have one with a mark in it from a bullet strike.... I have one with a mark in it from a bullet strike….

]]> By: torc http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-28616 torc Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:48:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-28616 i beleive the downward angled armour may perhaps be angled such as the round hitting it would have been coming down, after travelling in an arc, and that is to deflect it forward i beleive the downward angled armour may perhaps be angled such as the round hitting it would have been coming down, after travelling in an arc, and that is to deflect it forward

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-15129 Steve Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:28:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-15129 Ray, thanks for your comment. Ray, thanks for your comment.

]]> By: Ray http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-15127 Ray Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:27:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-15127 The shield is angled downward for a fact, I own one and MU is correct on his info, as for the links question yes they are reuseable along with the ammo cans, now for most of the ammo out there most of it is berdin primed and not reuseable, but everything else is The shield is angled downward for a fact, I own one and MU is correct on his info, as for the links question yes they are reuseable along with the ammo cans, now for most of the ammo out there most of it is berdin primed and not reuseable, but everything else is

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14437 Steve Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:08:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14437 Mu, good point! Mu, good point!

]]> By: Mu http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14436 Mu Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:06:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14436 The reason for the downward angle is simple: Your incoming round, or, since it's military, shrapnel, is most likely coming from a distance, and as such coming at a downward trajectory. So you have to do less deflection if you enforce the downward angle than if you try to send it flying upwards. The one thing you're trying to avoid is the incoming bullet hitting at 90 degrees, least amount of armor, highest chance of penetration. The reason tanks have upward angled armor is that the most dangerous shots are high speed rounds on a very flat trajectory, so the difference in angle isn't great, and the Mark I type design leaves you with a huge top area that's usually poorly armored. The reason for the downward angle is simple: Your incoming round, or, since it’s military, shrapnel, is most likely coming from a distance, and as such coming at a downward trajectory. So you have to do less deflection if you enforce the downward angle than if you try to send it flying upwards. The one thing you’re trying to avoid is the incoming bullet hitting at 90 degrees, least amount of armor, highest chance of penetration.
The reason tanks have upward angled armor is that the most dangerous shots are high speed rounds on a very flat trajectory, so the difference in angle isn’t great, and the Mark I type design leaves you with a huge top area that’s usually poorly armored.

]]> By: dg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14339 dg Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:27:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14339 Id bet that they just didn't think about it. These were the guys that were issuing Nagants with 5rds of ammo, and shooting there own guys if they retreated. I see a trend in Soviet design were they don't care about operator comfort (or safety) as long as the weapon continues to work. If you look at the shield from a profile id bet almost any rifle cartridge would penetrate it. I know that 8mm and 30-06 will both go though 1/4inch steel like it was butter at 100 yards, and it cant be more than a 1/4inch thick (judging by the picture and the fact that its only 96lbs). Id bet that they just didn’t think about it. These were the guys that were issuing Nagants with 5rds of ammo, and shooting there own guys if they retreated. I see a trend in Soviet design were they don’t care about operator comfort (or safety) as long as the weapon continues to work. If you look at the shield from a profile id bet almost any rifle cartridge would penetrate it. I know that 8mm and 30-06 will both go though 1/4inch steel like it was butter at 100 yards, and it cant be more than a 1/4inch thick (judging by the picture and the fact that its only 96lbs).

]]> By: Zach http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14295 Zach Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:47:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14295 I have never fired a belt feed weapon before so I am wonder can you use the ammo links more then once? Also where would you buy more ammo links for the gun? I have never fired a belt feed weapon before so I am wonder can you use the ammo links more then once? Also where would you buy more ammo links for the gun?

]]> By: redmanlaw http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14251 redmanlaw Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:35:04 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14251 Commie engineering (in this case) = fail Commie engineering (in this case) = fail

]]> By: Freiheit http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14250 Freiheit Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:16:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14250 It's important to remember that this was built in Russia during the last half of the war. It means it would have been designed when they were getting their asses handed to them. Like a lot of things done during the war, it was better to have something than have it be perfect. Given a choice between one that may not have the best coverage or may bounce bullets around and not having one, I'd take the shield. There are other clues that this is just how it came together. For example the cutout on the shield for the handle. It'd be a safe wager to bet that some engineer or factory supervisor had a test mount, noted that the handle was in the way, and ordered that taller slot to be cut rather than moving the gun around or removing the handle. I love Russian guns. They're not pretty, they're not masterpieces of engineering, but damn it they go bang and don't cost a lot. :D It’s important to remember that this was built in Russia during the last half of the war. It means it would have been designed when they were getting their asses handed to them.

Like a lot of things done during the war, it was better to have something than have it be perfect. Given a choice between one that may not have the best coverage or may bounce bullets around and not having one, I’d take the shield.

There are other clues that this is just how it came together. For example the cutout on the shield for the handle. It’d be a safe wager to bet that some engineer or factory supervisor had a test mount, noted that the handle was in the way, and ordered that taller slot to be cut rather than moving the gun around or removing the handle.

I love Russian guns. They’re not pretty, they’re not masterpieces of engineering, but damn it they go bang and don’t cost a lot. :D

]]> By: Nooky http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14224 Nooky Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:53:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14224 That would be effective and have sens in the terrain, earth, sand or whatever. But if you deploy it on hard surface like a road, that shield would be pretty dangerous from my point of view (the angle is not very steep thought). That would be effective and have sens in the terrain, earth, sand or whatever. But if you deploy it on hard surface like a road, that shield would be pretty dangerous from my point of view (the angle is not very steep thought).

]]> By: Tim http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14210 Tim Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:56:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14210 well, to be honest, im only 17, and far from being a firearms expert. just enjoy the blog;). but, i believe the shield may be angled downward, because the rounds hitting the ground would be better than raining chunks of bullet on your own men, which a otherwise upward angle might do. no proof, just an opinion. well, to be honest, im only 17, and far from being a firearms expert. just enjoy the blog;). but, i believe the shield may be angled downward, because the rounds hitting the ground would be better than raining chunks of bullet on your own men, which a otherwise upward angle might do. no proof, just an opinion.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14204 Steve Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:35:26 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14204 Crabula, I thought it may be the picture, but other photos of the real deal, including the Chinese version, look the same: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43 Crabula, I thought it may be the picture, but other photos of the real deal, including the Chinese version, look the same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43

]]> By: Crabula http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/08/sg-43-semi-automatic-goryunov-7-62x54r-for-sale/#comment-14170 Crabula Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:08:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7664#comment-14170 As far as the armor design goes, I think that the angle of the picture is odd. To me the shield appears to be vertical. The gun itself appears to pivot up and down independently while the angle of the shield stays constant relative to the carrage. It does however, seem odd that it would be vertical since that means it would require a thicker piece of steel to defeat the same types of ammunition that a thinner, angled piece would have no trouble with. If I am wrong and it is angled down, then perhaps deflecting incoming rounds down into the ground is better than deflecting them up into the air. As far as the armor design goes, I think that the angle of the picture is odd. To me the shield appears to be vertical. The gun itself appears to pivot up and down independently while the angle of the shield stays constant relative to the carrage.
It does however, seem odd that it would be vertical since that means it would require a thicker piece of steel to defeat the same types of ammunition that a thinner, angled piece would have no trouble with.
If I am wrong and it is angled down, then perhaps deflecting incoming rounds down into the ground is better than deflecting them up into the air.

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