Comments on: Baby, The Bren Ten is back http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12876 Carl Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:12:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12876 Matt, thanks for the explanation. In the Glocks defense though, changing your striker spring isn't such a big deal if you want to shoot unusual ammo. Neither the XD or the M&P are available in 10mm as far as I know. Matt, thanks for the explanation. In the Glocks defense though, changing your striker spring isn’t such a big deal if you want to shoot unusual ammo.
Neither the XD or the M&P are available in 10mm as far as I know.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12778 Matt Groom Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:08:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12778 Striker fired designs are often easier to manufacture and have shorter lock times (sometimes but not always) which translates into better mechanical accuracy potential. Hammer fired designs have more mass and that means more inertial forces upon impact with hard primers. The use of hard primers in military ammo was the reason why double action caught on in the first place. Boxer primers come in two sizes, small and large. The difference between pistol, magnum pistol, and rifle has to do with the thickness of the copper cup. Thicker cups can take higher pressures, but are also harder to set off. Militarys have been know to use one kind of primer for rifles and pistols when they are of the same size. I've fired alot of Mil-Spec 9mm NATO ammo (alot!) and one of the companies we buy some of our ammo from sent us some sample 9mm NATO that was made in the UAE which had very hard primers. I tried it in Kel-Tecs which would set it off sometimes, a Beretta M92G and a Browning High Power, which would set it of 98% of the time, and a Glock 17L, which wouldn't set them off at all. The Kel-Tecs have very light hammers (and the PF-9 has the lowest lock time of any pistol I've measured). I think the Springfield XD/XDM and the S&W M&P are both superior to the Glock (even though they are basically just copying Glock's formula) due entirely to the fact that they both have much better triggers. They are, however, much more complicated internally than Glocks are. You are right that this pistol is being built entirely for the nostalgia aspect, but I like rare and obscure firearms the most. If they can build it right, I will get one to match my Jackass shoulder holster, my Hawaiian shirt, and my Ferrari Testarossa. Striker fired designs are often easier to manufacture and have shorter lock times (sometimes but not always) which translates into better mechanical accuracy potential. Hammer fired designs have more mass and that means more inertial forces upon impact with hard primers. The use of hard primers in military ammo was the reason why double action caught on in the first place. Boxer primers come in two sizes, small and large. The difference between pistol, magnum pistol, and rifle has to do with the thickness of the copper cup. Thicker cups can take higher pressures, but are also harder to set off. Militarys have been know to use one kind of primer for rifles and pistols when they are of the same size.

I’ve fired alot of Mil-Spec 9mm NATO ammo (alot!) and one of the companies we buy some of our ammo from sent us some sample 9mm NATO that was made in the UAE which had very hard primers. I tried it in Kel-Tecs which would set it off sometimes, a Beretta M92G and a Browning High Power, which would set it of 98% of the time, and a Glock 17L, which wouldn’t set them off at all. The Kel-Tecs have very light hammers (and the PF-9 has the lowest lock time of any pistol I’ve measured).

I think the Springfield XD/XDM and the S&W M&P are both superior to the Glock (even though they are basically just copying Glock’s formula) due entirely to the fact that they both have much better triggers. They are, however, much more complicated internally than Glocks are.

You are right that this pistol is being built entirely for the nostalgia aspect, but I like rare and obscure firearms the most. If they can build it right, I will get one to match my Jackass shoulder holster, my Hawaiian shirt, and my Ferrari Testarossa.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12767 Carl Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:29:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12767 Fair enough. :-) I can appreciate a crisp single action trigger as well. But I bet it would be possible to build a striker fired pistol with a good trigger pull if you really wanted to... I understand there is a certain amount of nostalgia in this gun as well. People use a fair amount of military ammo in their Glocks here in Sweden. I'm Not sure if it's NATO spec though, and while the ammo seems to work fine I am not sure if they all change their striker springs or not... Are you saying that striker fired pistols have weaker strikes than hammer fired ones in general? Now that I think about it the armed forces here actually use the G17/19 so I'd be surprised if the ammo wouldn't work. I don't think it has rifle primers though, that sounds weird... Fair enough. :-) I can appreciate a crisp single action trigger as well.
But I bet it would be possible to build a striker fired pistol with a good trigger pull if you really wanted to…
I understand there is a certain amount of nostalgia in this gun as well.

People use a fair amount of military ammo in their Glocks here in Sweden. I’m Not sure if it’s NATO spec though, and while the ammo seems to work fine I am not sure if they all change their striker springs or not…
Are you saying that striker fired pistols have weaker strikes than hammer fired ones in general?
Now that I think about it the armed forces here actually use the G17/19 so I’d be surprised if the ammo wouldn’t work. I don’t think it has rifle primers though, that sounds weird…

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12683 Matt Groom Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:20:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12683 Obsolete gun parts? Really Carl? Oh, please! I know we should all just accept that squishy, non-resetting plastic triggers are the wave of the future, but I'm a traditionalist. I'll take a smooth, crisp, single action, double action, or DAO over a Safe Action any day of the week. Yes, even if they use hammers and safeties. Not to mention, have you ever used NATO spec ammo in a Glock? Some countries use Small Rifle primers. Berettas will set them off, but Glocks will not. Obsolete gun parts? Really Carl? Oh, please!

I know we should all just accept that squishy, non-resetting plastic triggers are the wave of the future, but I’m a traditionalist. I’ll take a smooth, crisp, single action, double action, or DAO over a Safe Action any day of the week. Yes, even if they use hammers and safeties.

Not to mention, have you ever used NATO spec ammo in a Glock? Some countries use Small Rifle primers. Berettas will set them off, but Glocks will not.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12675 Carl Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:21:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12675 It seems you can get a Tanfoglio 10mm for under $500. What's the difference apart from the name? http://www.impactguns.com/store/741566107016.html The new Bren Ten is supposed to be "below $1000" according to their blog. Or you could just get a Glock 20 and get rid of all these obsolete gun parts like hammers and safeties... It seems you can get a Tanfoglio 10mm for under $500. What’s the difference apart from the name?
http://www.impactguns.com/store/741566107016.html

The new Bren Ten is supposed to be “below $1000″ according to their blog.

Or you could just get a Glock 20 and get rid of all these obsolete gun parts like hammers and safeties…

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12662 Heath Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:35:31 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12662 Any guesses as to how much they will cost? Any guesses as to how much they will cost?

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12654 Matt Groom Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:05:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12654 CZ-USA has rotten customer service, an unusable webstore, products with spotty quality, and oh yeah, no 10mm. I'd grab a Tanfoglio/EAA Witness in 10mm if I didn't want one of these. CZ-USA has rotten customer service, an unusable webstore, products with spotty quality, and oh yeah, no 10mm.

I’d grab a Tanfoglio/EAA Witness in 10mm if I didn’t want one of these.

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]]> By: Areth http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12648 Areth Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:42:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12648 I thought the bren ten was just a CZ clone. Why not just get a CZ? I thought the bren ten was just a CZ clone. Why not just get a CZ?

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12645 SpudGun Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:18:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12645 Thank you jcmiller for your thorough explanaition. I've been pronouncing it as 'vil-tor' all this time. However, I have a funny feeling that if I went into my local firearms emporium and asked for an Ultor, they would look at me like I was from Mars. Thanks again. Thank you jcmiller for your thorough explanaition. I’ve been pronouncing it as ‘vil-tor’ all this time.

However, I have a funny feeling that if I went into my local firearms emporium and asked for an Ultor, they would look at me like I was from Mars.

Thanks again.

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]]> By: Mang http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12633 Mang Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:04:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12633 or maybe I'll watch Miami Vice reruns until I like it. or maybe I’ll watch Miami Vice reruns until I like it.

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]]> By: Mang http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12631 Mang Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:06:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12631 using the name is a turnoff... why reuse the trademark of a company that burned so many people, and risked lives with their shoddy product? the new pistol looks great, but I might feel a little embarrassed to own a new gun by that name. the original bren ten is a product I always saw as cheesy. stick with fortis! using the name is a turnoff… why reuse the trademark of a company that burned so many people, and risked lives with their shoddy product? the new pistol looks great, but I might feel a little embarrassed to own a new gun by that name. the original bren ten is a product I always saw as cheesy. stick with fortis!

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]]> By: Mehul Kamdar http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12626 Mehul Kamdar Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:50:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12626 Thank you for this information, Steve. I am in the market for an autopistol. This will be something that I shall look forward to checking out before I make a decision. Thank you for this information, Steve. I am in the market for an autopistol. This will be something that I shall look forward to checking out before I make a decision.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12607 Matt Groom Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:38:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12607 File this under AWESOME, Steve. File this under AWESOME, Steve.

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]]> By: jcmiller http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12604 jcmiller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:12:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12604 SpudGun, from the Vltor website: "VLTOR is the ancient Roman spelling for the Latin word ULTOR, meaning "Avenger". This word was commonly used to describe the Roman God of War, Mars." The University of Hong Kong says that "the letter U was often represented by V because it was much quicker and easier for a stonemason to make two straight strokes than to reproduce the round base of the letter." So I suppose you pronounce it Ultor. SpudGun, from the Vltor website:

“VLTOR is the ancient Roman spelling for the Latin word ULTOR, meaning “Avenger”. This word was commonly used to describe the Roman God of War, Mars.”

The University of Hong Kong says that “the letter U was often represented by V because it was much quicker and easier for a stonemason to make two straight strokes than to reproduce the round base of the letter.”

So I suppose you pronounce it Ultor.

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]]> By: muzlblast http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12603 muzlblast Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:59:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12603 Awsome news. I think we could see them available by the end of the year. Really looking forward to it!!! Awsome news. I think we could see them available by the end of the year. Really looking forward to it!!!

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]]> By: B Woodman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12602 B Woodman Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:49:45 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12602 Big cartridge, short barrel. Damn! What's the kick on that thing like? That, or use less powder. It'll be interesting to see some shooter reviews once this comes out to the market in quantity. Big cartridge, short barrel.
Damn! What’s the kick on that thing like?
That, or use less powder.
It’ll be interesting to see some shooter reviews once this comes out to the market in quantity.

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]]> By: Albert A Rasch http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12595 Albert A Rasch Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:29:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12595 Not THAT my friends is sweet. Put me on the list for one, maybe two! Best regards, Albert A Rasch <a href="http://trochronicles.blogspot.com/2009/07/hunting-fallow-deer-tips-and-techniques.html" rel="nofollow">Fallow Deer: Hints and Tips</a> <a href="http://trochronicles.blogspot.com/2009/07/better-blogging-or-what-if-my-brain.html" rel="nofollow">Better Blogging!</a> Not THAT my friends is sweet. Put me on the list for one, maybe two!

Best regards,
Albert A Rasch
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Better Blogging!

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]]> By: SpudGun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/28/baby-the-bren-ten-is-back/comment-page-1/#comment-12593 SpudGun Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:14:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7220#comment-12593 Yay! Always preferred the name Bren Ten. Fortis sounded like an insurance company or an erectile dysfunction drug, so I'm glad they got rid of it. As the company has shelled out money for the name Bren Ten, is there any chance Vltor could buy another noun for their company name? How do you pronounce Vltor anyhoo? Yay! Always preferred the name Bren Ten.

Fortis sounded like an insurance company or an erectile dysfunction drug, so I’m glad they got rid of it. As the company has shelled out money for the name Bren Ten, is there any chance Vltor could buy another noun for their company name?

How do you pronounce Vltor anyhoo?

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