Baby, The Bren Ten is back
It is no secret than Vltor Weapon Systems have been working on the Fortis Pistol, a clone of the infamous Bren Ten. They have just announced that they have acquired the right to use the Bren Ten name and the Fortis Pistol will be released as the Bren Ten.
We have to apologize for the last several weeks; we have been in sort of a self-imposed blackout while we have been negotiating the agreement to use the Bren Ten name. This is something that we really wanted, in order to make the release of our pistol truly the continuation of the legacy – and something that we have been working hard to make happen.
A Bren Ten that is being auctioned at Gun Broker
The Bren Ten, most famously used on Miami Vice (the TV show, not the movie), is chambered in 10mm Auto.
Yay! Always preferred the name Bren Ten.
Fortis sounded like an insurance company or an erectile dysfunction drug, so I’m glad they got rid of it. As the company has shelled out money for the name Bren Ten, is there any chance Vltor could buy another noun for their company name?
How do you pronounce Vltor anyhoo?
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Big cartridge, short barrel.
Damn! What’s the kick on that thing like?
That, or use less powder.
It’ll be interesting to see some shooter reviews once this comes out to the market in quantity.
Awsome news. I think we could see them available by the end of the year. Really looking forward to it!!!
SpudGun, from the Vltor website:
“VLTOR is the ancient Roman spelling for the Latin word ULTOR, meaning “Avenger”. This word was commonly used to describe the Roman God of War, Mars.”
The University of Hong Kong says that “the letter U was often represented by V because it was much quicker and easier for a stonemason to make two straight strokes than to reproduce the round base of the letter.”
So I suppose you pronounce it Ultor.
File this under AWESOME, Steve.
Thank you for this information, Steve. I am in the market for an autopistol. This will be something that I shall look forward to checking out before I make a decision.
using the name is a turnoff… why reuse the trademark of a company that burned so many people, and risked lives with their shoddy product? the new pistol looks great, but I might feel a little embarrassed to own a new gun by that name. the original bren ten is a product I always saw as cheesy. stick with fortis!
or maybe I’ll watch Miami Vice reruns until I like it.
Thank you jcmiller for your thorough explanaition. I’ve been pronouncing it as ‘vil-tor’ all this time.
However, I have a funny feeling that if I went into my local firearms emporium and asked for an Ultor, they would look at me like I was from Mars.
Thanks again.
I thought the bren ten was just a CZ clone. Why not just get a CZ?
CZ-USA has rotten customer service, an unusable webstore, products with spotty quality, and oh yeah, no 10mm.
I’d grab a Tanfoglio/EAA Witness in 10mm if I didn’t want one of these.
Any guesses as to how much they will cost?
It seems you can get a Tanfoglio 10mm for under $500. What’s the difference apart from the name?
http://www.impactguns.com/store/741566107016.html
The new Bren Ten is supposed to be “below $1000″ according to their blog.
Or you could just get a Glock 20 and get rid of all these obsolete gun parts like hammers and safeties…
Obsolete gun parts? Really Carl? Oh, please!
I know we should all just accept that squishy, non-resetting plastic triggers are the wave of the future, but I’m a traditionalist. I’ll take a smooth, crisp, single action, double action, or DAO over a Safe Action any day of the week. Yes, even if they use hammers and safeties.
Not to mention, have you ever used NATO spec ammo in a Glock? Some countries use Small Rifle primers. Berettas will set them off, but Glocks will not.
Fair enough.
I can appreciate a crisp single action trigger as well.
But I bet it would be possible to build a striker fired pistol with a good trigger pull if you really wanted to…
I understand there is a certain amount of nostalgia in this gun as well.
People use a fair amount of military ammo in their Glocks here in Sweden. I’m Not sure if it’s NATO spec though, and while the ammo seems to work fine I am not sure if they all change their striker springs or not…
Are you saying that striker fired pistols have weaker strikes than hammer fired ones in general?
Now that I think about it the armed forces here actually use the G17/19 so I’d be surprised if the ammo wouldn’t work. I don’t think it has rifle primers though, that sounds weird…
Striker fired designs are often easier to manufacture and have shorter lock times (sometimes but not always) which translates into better mechanical accuracy potential. Hammer fired designs have more mass and that means more inertial forces upon impact with hard primers. The use of hard primers in military ammo was the reason why double action caught on in the first place. Boxer primers come in two sizes, small and large. The difference between pistol, magnum pistol, and rifle has to do with the thickness of the copper cup. Thicker cups can take higher pressures, but are also harder to set off. Militarys have been know to use one kind of primer for rifles and pistols when they are of the same size.
I’ve fired alot of Mil-Spec 9mm NATO ammo (alot!) and one of the companies we buy some of our ammo from sent us some sample 9mm NATO that was made in the UAE which had very hard primers. I tried it in Kel-Tecs which would set it off sometimes, a Beretta M92G and a Browning High Power, which would set it of 98% of the time, and a Glock 17L, which wouldn’t set them off at all. The Kel-Tecs have very light hammers (and the PF-9 has the lowest lock time of any pistol I’ve measured).
I think the Springfield XD/XDM and the S&W M&P are both superior to the Glock (even though they are basically just copying Glock’s formula) due entirely to the fact that they both have much better triggers. They are, however, much more complicated internally than Glocks are.
You are right that this pistol is being built entirely for the nostalgia aspect, but I like rare and obscure firearms the most. If they can build it right, I will get one to match my Jackass shoulder holster, my Hawaiian shirt, and my Ferrari Testarossa.
Matt, thanks for the explanation. In the Glocks defense though, changing your striker spring isn’t such a big deal if you want to shoot unusual ammo.
Neither the XD or the M&P are available in 10mm as far as I know.