Regarding the range of those so called guns, what to say. They are built to stop the agressor at 7-10 meters. OK, at that range the damges can occur but at the matter fact their pourpose is to stop the agressor and to avoid to be harmed by an injust and violent action.
I own in my collection some of those weapons, here in Romania those guns are legal and can be even carried concealed by anyone as long is over 18 year age and has the right authorization from the police.
I boght from Kishinew, Republic Moldavia, FORT 12P and a revolver Schmeisser 820 AE , both of them chambered in 9mm [.380], one in PA other on R. Along the years I owned and a Walther P50T, a Walther PP, a Mauser HSC 90 and lately a Rohm RG88, all of them chambered in 10×22T
rubber bullets all. But those ones I sold them.
I am using them in IPSC/IDPA contests and of course, I can use them for self defense.
Testing them [FORT 12 and Schmeisser 820 AE] I can tell you that even after 10-12 meters are not harmful, under that distance the damages can be serious. Just think that Yellow Pages was pentrated to page 400 at 9 meters with both of them.
Here are some results: one rubber bullet at 0,9 grams launched with 320 meters / second can develop 59 Joules. That is not a joke at all.

As the conclusion, those weapons are built so that cannot fire the real rounds and the ammo with rubber bullet is not considered to be dangerous as long you are using the gun in a right way and NOT IN A PUBLIC PLACES.

The people from that boat was not in danger not for a second and the officials that organized that demo in public has a single circumstance: the exercise was held on the top-hill place, so, no way that in less then 100 meters to meet somebody … .

If there is somebody that want some links to see our tests, it has only to leave here a message.

By the way, I have founded here in Romania the Romanian Self Defense Club and the website http://www.b46.me is the website with our resources.

Hello,

I am fascinated by the weapons but I live the Belgium that has a very restrictive legislation regarding detention of weapon. I look for to obtain me the weapon of my choice in sale by correspondence between the wore and Belgium, present jusqià (?), unsuccessfully. I am not nevertheless an adventurous, a simple fascinated one. In end, I will have to be done a reason and wait again a small year to obtain the necessary permits. You are lucky to be able to live your passion to the Newspaper (I think he means blog)… Some will say that “that lives by the sword, perish by the sword” but I believe that to too to fear the sword, one perish under the whip.

Well to you.

Sorry if I’m out of place for this, but I had to know what he wrote!

Je suis passionné par les armes mais j’habite la Belgique qui a une législation très restrictive en matière de détention d’arme. Je cherche à me procurer l’arme de mon choix en vente par correspondance entre les usa et la Belgique, jusqià présent, sans succès. Je ne suis pourtant pas un aventurier, un simple passionné. En fin, je vais devoir me faire une raison et patienter encore une petite année pour obtenir les permis nécessaires. Vous avez de la chance de pouvoir vivre votre paassion au quotidien… Certain diront que “qui vit par le glaive, périt par le glaive” mais je crois qu’à trop craindre le glaive, on périt sous le fouet.

Bien à vous.

http://www.simunition.com/index_en.php

You can go to youtube and search videos for it.

I assume from what trigger288 posted, the ammo are simulation munitions and the weapons are modified to use it. The gun and ammo simulate the real thing.

Blackwater or any high level training schools uses something similar to it. They are used in training and at time students and staffs gets hit at point blank range. Sure it hurt but it doesn’t kill you.

In the end it comes down to people that have no experience and those that have them.

Yes. But the price on this “pistols” with legal documents is fantastic. More than $1000 for a useless toy.

2 Crabula:
Those rubber bullets are “effective” up to 5 meters and “danger” up to 50 meters.

Imagine if that happened here! And the media sh!* storm it would cause.

Its just bad form no matter how you look at it.

It’s never ok to demonstrate, to an untrained public, an improper or unsafe way of doing things and then saying “it’s ok. I’m a professional.” There is too much potential to give someone a false sense of confidence in doing something for which they have been taught wrong from the start.

Man, you guys make me look long winded.

I’d chalk this up as safe by the numbers but not by common sense or best practice.

In NJ those pistols you say are not real firearms, would be classified as such, thus would be heavily regulated as well.

Funny juxtaposition there NJ vs. Russia. Who’s got more freedom?

But then again, can regular folks own those guns in Russia?