Comments on: Excellent article about Open Carry in California http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-31098 Heath Tue, 20 Apr 2010 03:39:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-31098 Speaking of CA, did you see the marijuana convention they're holding at the Cow Palace soon? The one that will be complete with the "SMOKING" tent for those with a medical prescription so they can smoke there. Yes. The same Cow Palace where they've been trying to ban gun shows for years. You can't have a legal gun show there but a convention for pot is acceptable??? Something is seriously wrong here. Speaking of CA, did you see the marijuana convention they’re holding at the Cow Palace soon? The one that will be complete with the “SMOKING” tent for those with a medical prescription so they can smoke there. Yes. The same Cow Palace where they’ve been trying to ban gun shows for years.

You can’t have a legal gun show there but a convention for pot is acceptable??? Something is seriously wrong here.

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]]> By: justintime http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-31065 justintime Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:15:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-31065 I think Ca is for nuts , between the intiative stuff, open carry , and legalizing pot , Ca is magnet for the insane. Unfortunately I'm stuck here , otherwise I would get out as fast as I could. I think Ca is for nuts , between the intiative stuff, open carry , and legalizing pot , Ca is magnet for the insane. Unfortunately I’m stuck here , otherwise I would get out as fast as I could.

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-30778 Heath Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:55:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-30778 Legislators in CA are looking to repeal the long standing open carry laws. Good luck to out gun brothers and sisters in CA. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/15/state-bill-would-end-open-carry-gun-rights/ Legislators in CA are looking to repeal the long standing open carry laws. Good luck to out gun brothers and sisters in CA.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/15/state-bill-would-end-open-carry-gun-rights/

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]]> By: Brian H http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-30162 Brian H Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:07:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-30162 Donald's got it. Concealed carry is better than open carry. However, that's not an option for most here in CA. Having a firearm on one's person, unloaded, in much better than leaving one at home. It takes but 1-2 seconds to load a firearm to help stop a crime as opposed to hiding and hoping you don't get picked off in the process. In the right siutation, I feel it's better to have a chance to fight back than to do nothing at all. The best way to gain public acceptance is to be knowledgeable, unthreatening, polite and cooperative with LE. All it takes is one unfortunate incident that will make all OC'ers look like the bad guys. Donald’s got it. Concealed carry is better than open carry. However, that’s not an option for most here in CA. Having a firearm on one’s person, unloaded, in much better than leaving one at home. It takes but 1-2 seconds to load a firearm to help stop a crime as opposed to hiding and hoping you don’t get picked off in the process. In the right siutation, I feel it’s better to have a chance to fight back than to do nothing at all. The best way to gain public acceptance is to be knowledgeable, unthreatening, polite and cooperative with LE. All it takes is one unfortunate incident that will make all OC’ers look like the bad guys.

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]]> By: donald http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-28973 donald Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:00:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-28973 hey folks, im just saying id feel safer with a firearm on my person loaded or unloaded with ammo in reach, although concealed is by far the best and safest option in my opinion. But lets face the fact that were talking about CALIFORNIA here, good luck getting a concealed carry permit. that being said, i shall continue to carry openly on my hip. hey folks, im just saying id feel safer with a firearm on my person loaded or unloaded with ammo in reach, although concealed is by far the best and safest option in my opinion. But lets face the fact that were talking about CALIFORNIA here, good luck getting a concealed carry permit. that being said, i shall continue to carry openly on my hip.

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]]> By: jack http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12737 jack Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:54:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12737 I can't see how anyone that actually ___lives____ in San Diego could possibly agree that this article made any sense at all. Walking around in PB on the boardwalk in a demonstration of open carry is a 100% scream for attention and not a demonstration personal freedoms. There are a lot of places where this would be an effective form of protest and education, PB boardwalk is not the place. Its one of the most crowded areas in SD, filled with hundreds of thousands of tourist from around the world. It has very low crime (in a city with extremely low crime), and a very very high police presence. Your chance of actually needing a handgun in that area is during the day is ABSOLUTELY 0. Maybe an expert marksman could draw and fire in PB without hitting innocent bystanders. You're talking about shoulder to shoulder people in many areas. Stupid article, foolish endorsement of irresponsible behavior. I can’t see how anyone that actually ___lives____ in San Diego could possibly agree that this article made any sense at all. Walking around in PB on the boardwalk in a demonstration of open carry is a 100% scream for attention and not a demonstration personal freedoms. There are a lot of places where this would be an effective form of protest and education, PB boardwalk is not the place. Its one of the most crowded areas in SD, filled with hundreds of thousands of tourist from around the world. It has very low crime (in a city with extremely low crime), and a very very high police presence. Your chance of actually needing a handgun in that area is during the day is ABSOLUTELY 0. Maybe an expert marksman could draw and fire in PB without hitting innocent bystanders. You’re talking about shoulder to shoulder people in many areas. Stupid article, foolish endorsement of irresponsible behavior.

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]]> By: "gunner" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12702 "gunner" Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:55:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12702 i don't have a dog in this fight, where i live open and concealed carry are both options, depending on individual choice, and since no permit is issued or required i've carried both ways, depending on how i felt at the moment, the weather or whatever. the only time i was ever hassled was by a visiting nypd cop, off duty and "way off his beat". when the local cops responded they told him they would enforce our laws without the help of nypd and he'd better keep the new york badge in his pocket or he'd be charged with impersonating. there's no real way of knowing how many people carry concealed here since, as above, we have no permits, open carry is not common but is seen, usually in hunting season. as for getting "jacked up" and a gun taken, in 40+ years living here i've never heard of it happening. i don’t have a dog in this fight, where i live open and concealed carry are both options, depending on individual choice, and since no permit is issued or required i’ve carried both ways, depending on how i felt at the moment, the weather or whatever. the only time i was ever hassled was by a visiting nypd cop, off duty and “way off his beat”. when the local cops responded they told him they would enforce our laws without the help of nypd and he’d better keep the new york badge in his pocket or he’d be charged with impersonating. there’s no real way of knowing how many people carry concealed here since, as above, we have no permits, open carry is not common but is seen, usually in hunting season. as for getting “jacked up” and a gun taken, in 40+ years living here i’ve never heard of it happening.

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]]> By: lisamarie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12694 lisamarie Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:42:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12694 Are you saying you have to go into overdrive to be pro-gun Don? Are you saying you have to go into overdrive to be pro-gun Don?

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12684 Don Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:21:46 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12684 @ Whatever, I am wholeheartedly agreeing with your comment about tactics. -D @ Whatever,

I am wholeheartedly agreeing with your comment about tactics.

-D

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]]> By: Whatever http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12663 Whatever Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:39:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12663 Don @ 30 Jul 2009 at 2:03 Huh? Don @ 30 Jul 2009 at 2:03

Huh?

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12643 Don Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:03:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12643 "I don’t understand the desire to carry a firearm at all times. I think pushing the boundaries of what is legal is not a good idea; that’s the Fred Phelps’ line of thinking with regard to the Freedom of Speech. Constantly showing an in-your-face attitude while being within the letter of the law is not going win over any converts. The tactics used by the GOP are losing tactics. If those tactics are kept by the pro-gun crowd, the pro-gun crowd will lose as well. If the pro-gun side is seen as unreachable and totally unwilling to work with anyone else, then everyone else will leave them out when the next bit of gun legislation gets crafted." Tactics If you don't constantly show an in your face attitude apparently your own community will marginalize you while comparing you to it's enemies. That is the behavior of an extremist. Extremists drive themselves to extinction. I didn't know I needed think I was invincible or be a political activist to be welcomed as a fellow gun enthusiast. You've converted MY opinion all right. -D “I don’t understand the desire to carry a firearm at all times. I think pushing the boundaries of what is legal is not a good idea; that’s the Fred Phelps’ line of thinking with regard to the Freedom of Speech. Constantly showing an in-your-face attitude while being within the letter of the law is not going win over any converts.

The tactics used by the GOP are losing tactics. If those tactics are kept by the pro-gun crowd, the pro-gun crowd will lose as well. If the pro-gun side is seen as unreachable and totally unwilling to work with anyone else, then everyone else will leave them out when the next bit of gun legislation gets crafted.”

Tactics

If you don’t constantly show an in your face attitude apparently your own community will marginalize you while comparing you to it’s enemies. That is the behavior of an extremist. Extremists drive themselves to extinction. I didn’t know I needed think I was invincible or be a political activist to be welcomed as a fellow gun enthusiast. You’ve converted MY opinion all right.

-D

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]]> By: Whatever http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12637 Whatever Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:34:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12637 I don't understand the desire to carry a firearm at all times. I think pushing the boundaries of what is legal is not a good idea; that's the Fred Phelps' line of thinking with regard to the Freedom of Speech. Constantly showing an in-your-face attitude while being within the letter of the law is not going win over any converts. The tactics used by the GOP are losing tactics. If those tactics are kept by the pro-gun crowd, the pro-gun crowd will lose as well. If the pro-gun side is seen as unreachable and totally unwilling to work with anyone else, then everyone else will leave them out when the next bit of gun legislation gets crafted. I don’t understand the desire to carry a firearm at all times. I think pushing the boundaries of what is legal is not a good idea; that’s the Fred Phelps’ line of thinking with regard to the Freedom of Speech. Constantly showing an in-your-face attitude while being within the letter of the law is not going win over any converts.

The tactics used by the GOP are losing tactics. If those tactics are kept by the pro-gun crowd, the pro-gun crowd will lose as well. If the pro-gun side is seen as unreachable and totally unwilling to work with anyone else, then everyone else will leave them out when the next bit of gun legislation gets crafted.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12627 Steve Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:48:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12627 lisamarie, in Cali you have to be rich/powerful or famous to get a permit. No joke. In some states you can legally carry both a concealed weapon and an unconcealed weapon at the same time ... although the cops may not understand this. Gun Nuts Radio did a podcast about a guy doing just that who recorded his encounter with some very rude cops: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/gunnuts/2009/03/11/Gun-Nuts-Radio-More-Open-Carry lisamarie, in Cali you have to be rich/powerful or famous to get a permit. No joke.

In some states you can legally carry both a concealed weapon and an unconcealed weapon at the same time … although the cops may not understand this. Gun Nuts Radio did a podcast about a guy doing just that who recorded his encounter with some very rude cops:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/gunnuts/2009/03/11/Gun-Nuts-Radio-More-Open-Carry

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]]> By: lisamarie http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12625 lisamarie Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:01:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12625 Here comes dumb question. Can you open carry AND have a concealed weapon? (with a permit). Here comes dumb question. Can you open carry AND have a concealed weapon? (with a permit).

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]]> By: FightinBluHen51 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12622 FightinBluHen51 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:15:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12622 Given a choice between Open Carry and no Carry, I'd take Open Carry (loaded, unloaded would NOT be an option). If you are carrying (or even if you aren't) it's about situational awareness. You simply CANNOT be an absent minded individual when you put Mr. Colt's peace maker on your hip, and think you aren't a target. Incidentally, you're proven to be less of a target with a firearm, than without. Does open carry increase the chances of a criminal looking to score a gun off of you? Probably, but there is an increased criminal "economic" cost (potential death at worst, injury at best) for the benefit (clean stolen gun) that becomes a major deterrent. Besides, concerned about having your arm taken from you in close quarters? Get a good holster with the proper dummy deterrents that won't let the bad guy simply disengage the gun from your holster without you having a chance to react. True, you could still be bumped on the head and knocked cold, but unarmed, you're just as likely if not more to have that happen AND have your wallet, car, shoes, food, stolen, and still end up dead. As far as a member of society carrying openly, I would feel safe around someone carrying legally openly with a loaded weapon rather than not having a clue whether the three hoods that just walked into the 7/11 are armed or not. Last I checked, bad guys don't wear shirts saying "I'm here to rob you and steal your gun today, please comply or you'll die." Given a choice between Open Carry and no Carry, I’d take Open Carry (loaded, unloaded would NOT be an option).

If you are carrying (or even if you aren’t) it’s about situational awareness. You simply CANNOT be an absent minded individual when you put Mr. Colt’s peace maker on your hip, and think you aren’t a target. Incidentally, you’re proven to be less of a target with a firearm, than without.

Does open carry increase the chances of a criminal looking to score a gun off of you? Probably, but there is an increased criminal “economic” cost (potential death at worst, injury at best) for the benefit (clean stolen gun) that becomes a major deterrent. Besides, concerned about having your arm taken from you in close quarters? Get a good holster with the proper dummy deterrents that won’t let the bad guy simply disengage the gun from your holster without you having a chance to react. True, you could still be bumped on the head and knocked cold, but unarmed, you’re just as likely if not more to have that happen AND have your wallet, car, shoes, food, stolen, and still end up dead.

As far as a member of society carrying openly, I would feel safe around someone carrying legally openly with a loaded weapon rather than not having a clue whether the three hoods that just walked into the 7/11 are armed or not. Last I checked, bad guys don’t wear shirts saying “I’m here to rob you and steal your gun today, please comply or you’ll die.”

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]]> By: Nathan http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12611 Nathan Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:28:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12611 To everyone in an OC vs. CC pissing match, READ THIS POST! http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=28643&forum_id=57 CARRY ON! -N8 http://caopencarry.blogspot.com To everyone in an OC vs. CC pissing match, READ THIS POST!

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=28643&forum_id=57

CARRY ON!

-N8
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12558 Don Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:30:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12558 I have no interest in creating or honoring current bans on arms, OC, or CC. I just think being covert is less of a risk than being obtrusive. Open carry means that if the right kind of crazy individual really wants to jack you up, they're going to just kill you before taking for whatever they want. If you carry concealed this is no longer a risk. You will have an opportunity to kill them first. Deterrents ONLY work against somewhat SANE criminals. SURPRISE works against ALL criminals. -D I have no interest in creating or honoring current bans on arms, OC, or CC.

I just think being covert is less of a risk than being obtrusive.

Open carry means that if the right kind of crazy individual really wants to jack you up, they’re going to just kill you before taking for whatever they want.

If you carry concealed this is no longer a risk. You will have an opportunity to kill them first.

Deterrents ONLY work against somewhat SANE criminals. SURPRISE works against ALL criminals.

-D

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]]> By: Heath http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12543 Heath Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:54:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12543 There is a reason why the crime rate is lower in States which allow OC and CCW. And that reason doesn't have anything to do with them just having better people! There is a reason why the crime rate is lower in States which allow OC and CCW. And that reason doesn’t have anything to do with them just having better people!

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12539 jdun1911 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:55:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12539 It's not typical, that for sure. Happen once in a blue moon. I've been around people that carried weapons most of my life. From open to conceal. I've also been debating people that like to ban firearms. So I have a lot of experience in these matters. It is the same argument that gun grabbers used when want to ban guns in homes. Because you know criminals can jack you up in your own home and steal your weapons or use it against you. It is the same argument that gun grabbers use against conceal weapons laws. Because you know criminals can jack you up and take your weapon or worst the nation will become Wild West part II but then again the Wild West wasn't that wild in the first place. Don we can argue all day but you're wrong. For those that are reading this, pretend you're the criminal. You got two targets. One guy has an open carry gun and loaded. The other person has no weapon. Which one would you rob? It's that simple. The assumption that criminals has only one target and no other opportunities is incorrect. There are many victims that criminals can chose from and most like they will pick the least amount of resistance. It’s not typical, that for sure. Happen once in a blue moon.

I’ve been around people that carried weapons most of my life. From open to conceal. I’ve also been debating people that like to ban firearms. So I have a lot of experience in these matters.

It is the same argument that gun grabbers used when want to ban guns in homes. Because you know criminals can jack you up in your own home and steal your weapons or use it against you.

It is the same argument that gun grabbers use against conceal weapons laws. Because you know criminals can jack you up and take your weapon or worst the nation will become Wild West part II but then again the Wild West wasn’t that wild in the first place.

Don we can argue all day but you’re wrong.

For those that are reading this, pretend you’re the criminal. You got two targets. One guy has an open carry gun and loaded. The other person has no weapon. Which one would you rob? It’s that simple.

The assumption that criminals has only one target and no other opportunities is incorrect. There are many victims that criminals can chose from and most like they will pick the least amount of resistance.

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]]> By: "gunner" http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/22/excellent-article-about-open-carry-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-12524 "gunner" Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:48:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7158#comment-12524 i'd hardly call that video a typical case. "gunner" i’d hardly call that video a typical case.
“gunner”

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