Comments on: Extreme Shock SRT: low powered .223 100 grain load http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: russell http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-29572 russell Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:45:53 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-29572 i purchased 60 rnds a year ago. the first box of 20 three rnds failed to exit my 11.5" bbl.icalled the mfgr the response was nil,no concern.very bad.i used a puller to find why. no powder in some of remaining rnds i purchased 60 rnds a year ago. the first box of 20 three rnds failed to exit my 11.5″ bbl.icalled the mfgr the response was nil,no concern.very bad.i used a puller to find why. no powder in some of remaining rnds

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]]> By: matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-14354 matt Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:08:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-14354 how much do you wot for your 223 100 grains bullt i have a 223 rem. thank you matt if you wot to call me at 972 423 1474 tank you matt how much do you wot for your 223 100 grains bullt i have a 223 rem. thank you matt if you wot to call me at 972 423 1474 tank you matt

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-12177 Steve Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:29:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-12177 I guess it is only good for very close quarter with a rainbow trajectory. I guess it is only good for very close quarter with a rainbow trajectory.

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]]> By: Daniel E. Watters http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-12144 Daniel E. Watters Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:46:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-12144 FWIW: NSWC-Crane bought $654 worth last May. Clearly, that would only allow for a limited evaluation. The military has tested other 100gr 5.56mm projectiles before. PRL's powdered tungsten core projectiles performed very well in gel tests, but their rainbow trajectory was a serious turnoff. In a different test, accuracy was reportedly quite miserable with experimental projectiles which used the jacket of a M856 Tracer projectile filled completely with lead (no steel insert or tracer compound). Before they introduced the Extreme Shock line, Mullins Ammunition was a fan of super-heavyweight conventional bullets. He offered loaded ammunition in .45 ACP and .40 S&W with 250gr and 200gr JHP, respectively. FWIW: NSWC-Crane bought $654 worth last May. Clearly, that would only allow for a limited evaluation.

The military has tested other 100gr 5.56mm projectiles before. PRL’s powdered tungsten core projectiles performed very well in gel tests, but their rainbow trajectory was a serious turnoff. In a different test, accuracy was reportedly quite miserable with experimental projectiles which used the jacket of a M856 Tracer projectile filled completely with lead (no steel insert or tracer compound).

Before they introduced the Extreme Shock line, Mullins Ammunition was a fan of super-heavyweight conventional bullets. He offered loaded ammunition in .45 ACP and .40 S&W with 250gr and 200gr JHP, respectively.

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]]> By: Tony http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11779 Tony Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:19:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11779 <i>"I know the special ops community likes to have a tool in the tool box for every situation"</i> I highly doubt the special ops community has anything to do with the products of this company - outside of their marketing departments wet dreams, that is. ;) “I know the special ops community likes to have a tool in the tool box for every situation”

I highly doubt the special ops community has anything to do with the products of this company – outside of their marketing departments wet dreams, that is. ;)

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]]> By: Mu http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11774 Mu Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:54:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11774 Glaser blue start at $2 a round, so it looks competitive price wise. Glaser blue start at $2 a round, so it looks competitive price wise.

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]]> By: Burner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11772 Burner Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:36:51 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11772 I have used the 100 grain non-subsonic SRT rounds before in a 1X9 twist 16 inch barrel. At about 50-100 yards the bullet was well stabilized and was very accurate. I can't speak for the penetration, especially in a subsonic 5.56 round. However oddly, I have been asked if the company made any subsonic rounds like this before, so apparently there is a market. I did some testing with their .45 ACP frangible rounds to recommend to some of my students needing ammo that won't go through walls. The rounds may or may not kill the attacker but I can say that at least with the .45 ACP AFR round, the bad guy will NOT be fighting once shot. Seeing the devastation in the target compared to some bad Hollow points or FMJs was amazing. I have used the 100 grain non-subsonic SRT rounds before in a 1X9 twist 16 inch barrel. At about 50-100 yards the bullet was well stabilized and was very accurate. I can’t speak for the penetration, especially in a subsonic 5.56 round. However oddly, I have been asked if the company made any subsonic rounds like this before, so apparently there is a market.

I did some testing with their .45 ACP frangible rounds to recommend to some of my students needing ammo that won’t go through walls. The rounds may or may not kill the attacker but I can say that at least with the .45 ACP AFR round, the bad guy will NOT be fighting once shot. Seeing the devastation in the target compared to some bad Hollow points or FMJs was amazing.

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]]> By: Brad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11755 Brad Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:05:33 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11755 Hmm... compressed tungsten powder bullets, it should be instantly frangible when hitting any resistance. And with a bullet weight of 100 grains, the cartridge would have to use a reduced charge to keep pressure within normal limits. Practical use? To me it seems very similar to a shotgun loaded with birdshot for home defense, which some people advocate. For indoor situations an M-4 type AR loaded with these cartridges would be a better choice than a typical handgun for limiting overpenetration and limiting downrange danger. Reduced flash and muzzle blast would be a welcome improvement too, especially for a .223 carbine with a plain muzzle. As for the cost, what are Glasers going for these days? Aren't they even more expensive? Hmm… compressed tungsten powder bullets, it should be instantly frangible when hitting any resistance. And with a bullet weight of 100 grains, the cartridge would have to use a reduced charge to keep pressure within normal limits.

Practical use? To me it seems very similar to a shotgun loaded with birdshot for home defense, which some people advocate. For indoor situations an M-4 type AR loaded with these cartridges would be a better choice than a typical handgun for limiting overpenetration and limiting downrange danger. Reduced flash and muzzle blast would be a welcome improvement too, especially for a .223 carbine with a plain muzzle.

As for the cost, what are Glasers going for these days? Aren’t they even more expensive?

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11741 Matt Groom Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:27:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11741 The construction of the bullet is only important so long as it determines its mass, which dictates its pressure. The rate of twist necessary to stabilize a round is entirely dependent on the length of the bullet, not on the bullet's weight. That's why the rate of twist is the same for .22 Long Rifle as it is for 9mm and .45ACP, 1:16, because the lengths are all the same. I estimate that the rate of twist necessary to stabilize a 100 grain, .224" bullet would be 1:6.5 if it were lead, but being as it is made of Tungsten, it is probably shorter, since Tungsten is both lighter and more dense than lead. I might stabilize in a 1:9, which would make my previous comment about it tumbling moot (I did not notice the Tungsten construction), which would mean it would be terrible for home defense. The construction of the bullet is only important so long as it determines its mass, which dictates its pressure. The rate of twist necessary to stabilize a round is entirely dependent on the length of the bullet, not on the bullet’s weight. That’s why the rate of twist is the same for .22 Long Rifle as it is for 9mm and .45ACP, 1:16, because the lengths are all the same.

I estimate that the rate of twist necessary to stabilize a 100 grain, .224″ bullet would be 1:6.5 if it were lead, but being as it is made of Tungsten, it is probably shorter, since Tungsten is both lighter and more dense than lead. I might stabilize in a 1:9, which would make my previous comment about it tumbling moot (I did not notice the Tungsten construction), which would mean it would be terrible for home defense.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11733 Steve Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:31:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11733 Emptormaven, I wondered about that myself. I am not sure how to calculate it. I am not sure how to apply the standard formula for calculating optimal twist length, the Greenhill formula, to a tungsten bullet. Also, you need the bullet length to use the formula, and I have no idea what that would be given that it is tungsten and a very odd weight for the caliber. Emptormaven, I wondered about that myself. I am not sure how to calculate it. I am not sure how to apply the standard formula for calculating optimal twist length, the Greenhill formula, to a tungsten bullet. Also, you need the bullet length to use the formula, and I have no idea what that would be given that it is tungsten and a very odd weight for the caliber.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11732 Steve Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:25:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11732 Mu, I also wondered about that coating. Maybe you are right, it is slightly oversized. Mu, I also wondered about that coating. Maybe you are right, it is slightly oversized.

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]]> By: solomon http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11712 solomon Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:20:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11712 I know the special ops community likes to have a tool in the tool box for every situation but this is getting ridiculous. If you're at close range why not use a handgun? And if you do have these loaded and your target is not "close range" then what then? Seems like an overpriced - limited round to me. Can anyone name a real use for this? I know the special ops community likes to have a tool in the tool box for every situation but this is getting ridiculous. If you’re at close range why not use a handgun? And if you do have these loaded and your target is not “close range” then what then? Seems like an overpriced – limited round to me. Can anyone name a real use for this?

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]]> By: Emptormaven http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11710 Emptormaven Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:10:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11710 Important question: What barrel twist rate is required to stabilize these? Important question: What barrel twist rate is required to stabilize these?

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]]> By: JJG http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11705 JJG Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:29:49 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11705 .223 already penetrates less than 9mm fired from a carbine, so I don't really see the point of this. It makes an already dumb idea (using frangibles for defense) even worse. .223 already penetrates less than 9mm fired from a carbine, so I don’t really see the point of this. It makes an already dumb idea (using frangibles for defense) even worse.

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]]> By: Tony http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11703 Tony Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:23:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11703 I was going to ask about the wound ballistics properties of this round but then I found their web site. Never mind. Good grief, that is some hysterically funny marketing those guys have! :D Makes one ever so slightly doubt the validity of their claims... :P I was going to ask about the wound ballistics properties of this round but then I found their web site. Never mind.

Good grief, that is some hysterically funny marketing those guys have! :D Makes one ever so slightly doubt the validity of their claims… :P

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]]> By: Mu http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11698 Mu Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:02:20 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11698 The "special DuPont coating to reduce velocity" is an odd one. The one coating DuPont is well known for is Teflon, and that usually gives you increased velocity. The one thing I can think off is an oversized Teflon coating that initially hold the bullet back, allowing more gas pressure to build up to operate AR-15 type rifles. Since Teflon is soft it would rapidly flow along the bullet and allow for normal passage of the bullet in later stages of the firing. If this is true, I'd be wondering about gumming up my rifling with Teflon and risking barrel damage due to the oil shot phenomenon upon switching back to regular rounds. The “special DuPont coating to reduce velocity” is an odd one. The one coating DuPont is well known for is Teflon, and that usually gives you increased velocity. The one thing I can think off is an oversized Teflon coating that initially hold the bullet back, allowing more gas pressure to build up to operate AR-15 type rifles. Since Teflon is soft it would rapidly flow along the bullet and allow for normal passage of the bullet in later stages of the firing. If this is true, I’d be wondering about gumming up my rifling with Teflon and risking barrel damage due to the oil shot phenomenon upon switching back to regular rounds.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/07/extreme-shock-srt-low-powered-223-100-grain-load/comment-page-1/#comment-11694 Matt Groom Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:41:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=7018#comment-11694 Being a 100 grain load, I'm sure that it tumbles and fragments very easily, especially considering most people will be shooting these out of a 1:9 twist that will effectively be launching them sideways. Also, 745 ft/lbs? WTF? People have been telling me for years and years that my trusty little M1 Carbine is underpowered and can't be considered for serious defensive work (which always causes me to scoff and guffaw loudly) because it only produces 1050 ft./lbs with my favorite cast bullet reload. I've never shot anything that drew a pulse with it, but I'm sure it would do the trick admirably, and it will definitely have better range and accuracy than this new load will. Being a 100 grain load, I’m sure that it tumbles and fragments very easily, especially considering most people will be shooting these out of a 1:9 twist that will effectively be launching them sideways.

Also, 745 ft/lbs? WTF? People have been telling me for years and years that my trusty little M1 Carbine is underpowered and can’t be considered for serious defensive work (which always causes me to scoff and guffaw loudly) because it only produces 1050 ft./lbs with my favorite cast bullet reload. I’ve never shot anything that drew a pulse with it, but I’m sure it would do the trick admirably, and it will definitely have better range and accuracy than this new load will.

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