Comments on: Safir Arms T-14 .410 AR-15 Uppers now available

By: PoPo

PoPo — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:29:35 +0000

Has anyone heard of any law enforcement use with this .410 guage shotgun

By: dcbeattie

dcbeattie — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:33 +0000

I have been using Remington sporting clays(they are gold colored) with 8.5 pellets. That length is just about the max.. I had to be careful to whack the mag to make sure all was well. Winchester will not fit in the mag. I just bought some federal 7 1/2’s that fit better than the Remington’s. It looks as if the Federals are all a little shorter than some of the others. Estate 410 are supposed to fit also. I don’t have a store that sells them so I can’t tell for sure. Take the mag to the store with you. That’s what I did. I was sort of surprised that 2 1/2 shot shells are that different. I am still waiting to pick up a couple of extra magazines and maybe a 14 shot one for fun.

By: brian

brian — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:05:32 +0000

Just got one today. They do fit ar15 lowers. 2-1/2 inch shells were too tight to freely move in the magazine. Does anyone make shorter shells. Right now im filing out the back of the plastic magazine and have the shell moving freely. Will have to till tomorrow to shoot and see if it feeds

By: ace

ace — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:29:48 +0000

will not work FA. I just checked the BCG, it is semi-auto type.

I am still trying to find out if the 15 rd. mags will work in a standard lower (mags from cope’s).

By: cruzan

cruzan — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:00:32 +0000

They are usually at gun shows and at gunbroker.com or gunsamerica. But shop wisely – many sell them for $ 750- $ 1,000 – but shop around, like I posted, got mine for $ 499 new !

By: jafish

jafish — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:06:43 +0000

Ok, where can this actually be purchased? I’ve searched AIM’s website and it isn’t there, the link in the blog goes to an error page and I’ve googled it and gotten nowhere. So, please, help me out here.

On a side note, I love the blog.

By: Jim Eley

Jim Eley — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:30:57 +0000

I wonder whether this would work on a full-auto lower? Any ideas?

By: cruzan

cruzan — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:44:43 +0000

I purchased the T14, got a great deal, new for $ 499 ( complete rifle ) ! I have since purchased a 223 upper and interchange them ! Questionable I guess wether a .410, AR type shotgun is worthwhile – but it’s cool looking, has been totally reliable for me, and is fun to shoot !

By: Tom O.

Tom O. — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:10:50 +0000

I am thinking of buying a Safir Arms T-14 410 shotgun. I have only seen the 5 round magazine avalible. Where can I buy magazines with larger capacities? I have heard the 30 round AR-15 magazines can be converted to accept 2.5 inch 410 shotgun shells. Is this true and how difficult is the conversion?

By: Nj

Nj — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:00:37 +0000

I have to agree with many people on the cost of the ammo, and i prefer a rifle, but in ohio where we are only legal to hunt with shotguns and i was able to find a t-14 for 700$ It’s as close as i can get and stay legal. I just purchased it and haven’t taken it out shooting yet, so I’m hoping it’s worth the money.

By: Matt Groom

Matt Groom — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:08:17 +0000

Good info, Dan. I figured it might be something like this.

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:01:04 +0000

the upper will fit on any lower but its pointless because the special magazine that is used to accomodate the shot shells only works with their lower. (I have this gun)

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:13:22 +0000

dgc, your email address is invalid.

By: dgc

dgc — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:59:39 +0000

yes they are shorter than 2 3/4, they are funny looking little buggers and if memory serves me right they are 1 3/8, the manufacturer is Aguila.
I like this web site, I wish more people would participate. I am gonna say I agree with you entirely about the 410 vs. the 5.56 on the penetration issue. I would say anyone who has any experience with either firearm would know that.

By: Steve

Steve — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 07:52:39 +0000

dgc, interesting, when you say short, do you mean less than 2 3/4″ ?

By: dgc

dgc — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:34:00 +0000

hi steve 12 GA. is the diameter of the bore, not the length of the shell. I have seen short 12 GA. shells sold for quail and dove, so i think it may be possible for them to fit in the AR 15, furthermore i think you should try a 12 GA. shell in a lower reciever because a standard 2 3/4 shell fits the magwell of my bushmaster with enough clearance to have a magazine around it. So it is entirely possible in my opinion.

By: tj

tj — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:36:35 +0000

1.) ar,s arent the most reliable weapon in the first place, now im not saying there a bad rifle because as we know every rifle has its ups and downs. but the powder dumping into the reciever and bolt. makes it jam more and makes it less reliable, which could be bad as with all weapons, if you needed it in some sort of situation that involves life or death. and it wont work , well thats just not helpfull at all. and the last two things are the magazines and ammunition. i have looked alot of places for the magazines, they are fairly expensive and hard to find, and the last thing is the price of ammo, as most of us know 410. gauge is just about the most expensive shotshell out there,in all i think you should just stick to the ar in 5.56.

By: one shot one kill

one shot one kill — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:45:04 +0000

Well lets just if big brother jacks the price up on 410 shells now. Myself thinks this would be a good in. A little to pricey it seems to me ,but I am going to save my pennies.SEE YA

By: Quarter

Quarter — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:54:16 +0000

Dennis if your are replying to me, please excuse my ignorance. I dont see any where on there were it says that it fits he ar lowers. After searching the web I had found one site were someone had put his lower on one of the t-14 uppers and said there was a gap and the mags were very tight. I could not find that link again. I did find this today though were what I think is the manufacture is saying that they do not fit.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4336380 (post 9)

I was seeing if this one is some how differnt. Thanks for your lack of help Dennis.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:50:47 +0000

I suppose if all else fails, you could always read the top of this page – you know, the story that you are commenting on?

By: Quarter

Quarter — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:32:23 +0000

So, does anyone know if it fits on an AR lower? I searched for a bit on the web but no real strait answer….

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:59:42 +0000

WB BRYANT, sorry I have removed your comment. i am sure you knew what you were doing but I don’t want to give kids any dangerous ideas. In TX that is legal, but not in all states.

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:58:49 +0000

Roughedge, a .410 slug has about as much energy as a .357 magnum (much lower than a 5.56mm round). The greater caliber will also mean less penetration. If the slug is lead and not a fully metal jacketed round like 5.56mm ammo, it will penetrate less and deform more.

Saying all that I have not fired a .410 slug so my opinion is not based on experience, just the ballistic data.

By: Roughedge

Roughedge — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:48:16 +0000

I’m pretty sure that .410 slug would penetrate more than 5.56.

I’d think 000 buck MIGHt penetrate more.

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:27:32 +0000

JeffinNZ, I guess the same as any other .410: hunting, fun, self-defense (buckshot and slugs: lower penetration than 5.56mm NATO is a positive in some environments).

By: JeffinNZ

JeffinNZ — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:23:48 +0000

Just one question. Why? What is it good for?

By: Heath

Heath — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:20:35 +0000

Very cool! So who here is going to buy one?

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:20:41 +0000

Flight-ER-Doc, it is not a standard AR-15 action, it is quite different.

By: Flight-ER-Doc

Flight-ER-Doc — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:20:01 +0000

OK, I must have missed the question, because this answer makes little sense…for the money, buy a Saiga if you want a semi-auto, magazine fed shotgun. Already available in 12, 20 gauges and .410 bore

Plus, just how reliable will an AR action be with shotshell powder dumping into it?

By: Matt Groom

Matt Groom — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:52:21 +0000

OMG! That’s the coolest upper ever! EV-AHR!

I thought these things were awesome when I saw them at the SHOT show, but now that I can get the upper by itself, it’s way up there on my list. The fact that it’s cheaper than a 5.45 Upper or that neato 5.7 upper make it my very next fun gun upper.

By: Gun Blobber

Gun Blobber — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:43:16 +0000

Tyson: There is no way a 12ga shell would fit in the magwell of an AR-15 lower.

By: Tyson Chandler

Tyson Chandler — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:02:33 +0000

Hi Steve,

I love this blog! This is a great idea, I wish they would come out with a 12ga. version.