Safir Arms T-14 .410 AR-15 Uppers now available
Earlier this year ATI began selling the T-14, an AR-15 style .410 shotgun that uses a standard AR-15 lower. I have been asked many times if and when just the upper on its own will be available for sale. I learnt from Suburban that AIM Surplus are now selling just the upper for $499.95.
The upper had a 20″ smoothbore barrel and is supplied with a five round magazine. Two models are available, the Classic and the Compact. The only difference between the models is the handguard length.
The Compact Model
The Classic Model
Hi Steve,
I love this blog! This is a great idea, I wish they would come out with a 12ga. version.
Tyson: There is no way a 12ga shell would fit in the magwell of an AR-15 lower.
OMG! That’s the coolest upper ever! EV-AHR!
I thought these things were awesome when I saw them at the SHOT show, but now that I can get the upper by itself, it’s way up there on my list. The fact that it’s cheaper than a 5.45 Upper or that neato 5.7 upper make it my very next fun gun upper.
OK, I must have missed the question, because this answer makes little sense…for the money, buy a Saiga if you want a semi-auto, magazine fed shotgun. Already available in 12, 20 gauges and .410 bore
Plus, just how reliable will an AR action be with shotshell powder dumping into it?
Flight-ER-Doc, it is not a standard AR-15 action, it is quite different.
Very cool! So who here is going to buy one?
Just one question. Why? What is it good for?
JeffinNZ, I guess the same as any other .410: hunting, fun, self-defense (buckshot and slugs: lower penetration than 5.56mm NATO is a positive in some environments).
I’m pretty sure that .410 slug would penetrate more than 5.56.
I’d think 000 buck MIGHt penetrate more.
Roughedge, a .410 slug has about as much energy as a .357 magnum (much lower than a 5.56mm round). The greater caliber will also mean less penetration. If the slug is lead and not a fully metal jacketed round like 5.56mm ammo, it will penetrate less and deform more.
Saying all that I have not fired a .410 slug so my opinion is not based on experience, just the ballistic data.
WB BRYANT, sorry I have removed your comment. i am sure you knew what you were doing but I don’t want to give kids any dangerous ideas. In TX that is legal, but not in all states.
So, does anyone know if it fits on an AR lower? I searched for a bit on the web but no real strait answer….
I suppose if all else fails, you could always read the top of this page – you know, the story that you are commenting on?
Dennis if your are replying to me, please excuse my ignorance. I dont see any where on there were it says that it fits he ar lowers. After searching the web I had found one site were someone had put his lower on one of the t-14 uppers and said there was a gap and the mags were very tight. I could not find that link again. I did find this today though were what I think is the manufacture is saying that they do not fit.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4336380 (post 9)
I was seeing if this one is some how differnt. Thanks for your lack of help Dennis.
Well lets just if big brother jacks the price up on 410 shells now. Myself thinks this would be a good in. A little to pricey it seems to me ,but I am going to save my pennies.SEE YA
1.) ar,s arent the most reliable weapon in the first place, now im not saying there a bad rifle because as we know every rifle has its ups and downs. but the powder dumping into the reciever and bolt. makes it jam more and makes it less reliable, which could be bad as with all weapons, if you needed it in some sort of situation that involves life or death. and it wont work , well thats just not helpfull at all. and the last two things are the magazines and ammunition. i have looked alot of places for the magazines, they are fairly expensive and hard to find, and the last thing is the price of ammo, as most of us know 410. gauge is just about the most expensive shotshell out there,in all i think you should just stick to the ar in 5.56.
hi steve 12 GA. is the diameter of the bore, not the length of the shell. I have seen short 12 GA. shells sold for quail and dove, so i think it may be possible for them to fit in the AR 15, furthermore i think you should try a 12 GA. shell in a lower reciever because a standard 2 3/4 shell fits the magwell of my bushmaster with enough clearance to have a magazine around it. So it is entirely possible in my opinion.
dgc, interesting, when you say short, do you mean less than 2 3/4″ ?
yes they are shorter than 2 3/4, they are funny looking little buggers and if memory serves me right they are 1 3/8, the manufacturer is Aguila.
I like this web site, I wish more people would participate. I am gonna say I agree with you entirely about the 410 vs. the 5.56 on the penetration issue. I would say anyone who has any experience with either firearm would know that.
dgc, your email address is invalid.
the upper will fit on any lower but its pointless because the special magazine that is used to accomodate the shot shells only works with their lower. (I have this gun)
Good info, Dan. I figured it might be something like this.
I have to agree with many people on the cost of the ammo, and i prefer a rifle, but in ohio where we are only legal to hunt with shotguns and i was able to find a t-14 for 700$ It’s as close as i can get and stay legal. I just purchased it and haven’t taken it out shooting yet, so I’m hoping it’s worth the money.
I am thinking of buying a Safir Arms T-14 410 shotgun. I have only seen the 5 round magazine avalible. Where can I buy magazines with larger capacities? I have heard the 30 round AR-15 magazines can be converted to accept 2.5 inch 410 shotgun shells. Is this true and how difficult is the conversion?
I purchased the T14, got a great deal, new for $ 499 ( complete rifle ) ! I have since purchased a 223 upper and interchange them ! Questionable I guess wether a .410, AR type shotgun is worthwhile – but it’s cool looking, has been totally reliable for me, and is fun to shoot !