Comments on: Small arms shipped to Somalia http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joseph http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-79472 Joseph Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:26:25 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-79472 I recently wrote a research paper on a similar subject. Counterinsurgency training is the new currency for most third world countries. They demand training and supplies (by way of top of the line U.S. grade weapons) and in return they agree to ally with the United States to thwart off terrorist organizations that are plaguing their country. But who's to say that the third world country in question does not simply use the training and ammunition for their own gain, or worse against the United States? Not only is this a possibility, it is already in effect, with countless countries that have been trained by Special Operations groups, now conducting genocide in their countries with U.S. military training. There has to be more stipulations on the handing over of U.S. supplies and training to countries that do not have stable governments to keep a close eye rogue militants with U.S. Military training. This is how situations like 9-11 happen, with CIA trained and U.S. funded "freedom fighters" gather and plot to humble superpowers. I recently wrote a research paper on a similar subject. Counterinsurgency training is the new currency for most third world countries. They demand training and supplies (by way of top of the line U.S. grade weapons) and in return they agree to ally with the United States to thwart off terrorist organizations that are plaguing their country. But who’s to say that the third world country in question does not simply use the training and ammunition for their own gain, or worse against the United States? Not only is this a possibility, it is already in effect, with countless countries that have been trained by Special Operations groups, now conducting genocide in their countries with U.S. military training. There has to be more stipulations on the handing over of U.S. supplies and training to countries that do not have stable governments to keep a close eye rogue militants with U.S. Military training. This is how situations like 9-11 happen, with CIA trained and U.S. funded “freedom fighters” gather and plot to humble superpowers.

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]]> By: malikali http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11944 malikali Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:10:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11944 The current government is supported by the populous, but u cannot under rate the amount of support that the rebels got daily from countries like Iran and Eriteria, hope things go better for the government despit the fact that it's not the perfect one, thanx for the post. The current government is supported by the populous, but u cannot under rate the amount of support that the rebels got daily from countries like Iran and Eriteria, hope things go better for the government despit the fact that it’s not the perfect one, thanx for the post.

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]]> By: DrStrangegun http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11602 DrStrangegun Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:07:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11602 Next shipment should contain weapons with severely underbored barrels, overloaded ammunition, and everything not associated with the cartridge feed path under or oversized by ~5%. Oh, and no security detail. Just saying... Next shipment should contain weapons with severely underbored barrels, overloaded ammunition, and everything not associated with the cartridge feed path under or oversized by ~5%. Oh, and no security detail.

Just saying…

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]]> By: ahrcanum http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11480 ahrcanum Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:26:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11480 How many times is America going to supply weapons to a foreign country or group, only to have them aimed at back U.S. Soldiers? How many times is America going to supply weapons to a foreign country or group, only to have them aimed at back U.S. Soldiers?

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11472 Steve Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:35:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11472 RobM, 50 tons is peanuts! Iraq and Afghanistan are switch to the M16 / 5.56mm NATO platform!!!! RobM, 50 tons is peanuts! Iraq and Afghanistan are switch to the M16 / 5.56mm NATO platform!!!!

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]]> By: RobM http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11471 RobM Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:31:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11471 So, could this be part of the reason there is an ammo shortage??? The State Dept has been buying small arms and ammo for Africa?? Hmmm. So, could this be part of the reason there is an ammo shortage??? The State Dept has been buying small arms and ammo for Africa?? Hmmm.

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]]> By: James R. Rummel http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11456 James R. Rummel Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:11:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11456 Good post. James Good post.

James

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]]> By: Thomas http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11451 Thomas Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:32:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11451 I am sorry to disagree here, but Somalia, and much of the African continent, is largely a lost cause. The various radical Islamic groups are actually better at administering the country than the recognized government. The government is unsupported by the populous and would collapse in 20 minutes if military support was withdrawn. And this is the case in most of sub-Saharan Africa. The choice is one group of corrupt thugs or another. Which should the U.S. support? No western nation wants to get involved in Somalia, so the peacekeeping duties are left up to the African Union, another totally ineffective group of Kleptocrats. As for doing something in Somalia, if the U.S. had not decided to support the existing government and recognize its sovereignty even in the areas that it does not control, it would be perfectly legitimate, under international, for the US and the rest of the world to carpet bomb the port cities of that country for harboring pirates. But, the world won't do that. So exactly what can the U.S. do? I am sorry to disagree here, but Somalia, and much of the African continent, is largely a lost cause. The various radical Islamic groups are actually better at administering the country than the recognized government. The government is unsupported by the populous and would collapse in 20 minutes if military support was withdrawn. And this is the case in most of sub-Saharan Africa. The choice is one group of corrupt thugs or another. Which should the U.S. support? No western nation wants to get involved in Somalia, so the peacekeeping duties are left up to the African Union, another totally ineffective group of Kleptocrats. As for doing something in Somalia, if the U.S. had not decided to support the existing government and recognize its sovereignty even in the areas that it does not control, it would be perfectly legitimate, under international, for the US and the rest of the world to carpet bomb the port cities of that country for harboring pirates. But, the world won’t do that. So exactly what can the U.S. do?

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]]> By: Sean http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11450 Sean Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:41:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11450 but that attitude's the problem, matt; ten years ago, how many people would've said "let afghanistan sink" and look where they, and we, ended up. one of the lessons of 9/11 is that we can't afford to be unconcerned with terrorists in remote third-world countries, because thanks to advances in air travel and america's necessarily loose security situation, those countries and the people in them that wish us harm aren't all that remote anymore. africa, and somalia in particular, is going to be the next front in the war on terror. there's certainly a reluctance on the part of the gov't to involve troops, sort of a post-post-vietnam syndrome, and i don't think we can blame them; settling issues like this is specifically what the african union is for. but for us, doing nothing is not an option. it's an open secret that the u.s. has been conducting targeted airstrikes in somalia for a couple years now; the time for a multinational force in somalia may not be long coming. sorry; i just wrote a paper on this very subject, and it's fresh in my mind. but that attitude’s the problem, matt; ten years ago, how many people would’ve said “let afghanistan sink” and look where they, and we, ended up. one of the lessons of 9/11 is that we can’t afford to be unconcerned with terrorists in remote third-world countries, because thanks to advances in air travel and america’s necessarily loose security situation, those countries and the people in them that wish us harm aren’t all that remote anymore. africa, and somalia in particular, is going to be the next front in the war on terror. there’s certainly a reluctance on the part of the gov’t to involve troops, sort of a post-post-vietnam syndrome, and i don’t think we can blame them; settling issues like this is specifically what the african union is for. but for us, doing nothing is not an option. it’s an open secret that the u.s. has been conducting targeted airstrikes in somalia for a couple years now; the time for a multinational force in somalia may not be long coming.

sorry; i just wrote a paper on this very subject, and it’s fresh in my mind.

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]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/29/small-arms-shipped-to-somalia/comment-page-1/#comment-11445 Matt Groom Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:21:55 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6922#comment-11445 In the words of Kim Du Toit: "Let Africa Sink". In the words of Kim Du Toit: “Let Africa Sink”.

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