Comments on: SOCOM Precision Sniper Rifle (PSR) Competition http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Me http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-74114 Me Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:44:13 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-74114 I don't care what people say about "the most accurate rifle bla bla bla" The most accurate sniper rifle currently procuced is the Unique Alpine. Google it. I don’t care what people say about “the most accurate rifle bla bla bla” The most accurate sniper rifle currently procuced is the Unique Alpine. Google it.

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]]> By: Ray http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-56728 Ray Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:33:15 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-56728 Q. Why do so many hotrodders use a GM 350 engine to build cars? A. because there are so many parts available. Reimgton and Winchester are very proud of their parts. Try to find parts to repair or modify one. Did you ever wonder why there are always new Guns in differant calibers.? To keep the arms and ammunition market from stagnating. Which in turn would cause some markets to dry up. People are always looking for something new and better. Heven only knows why. The most widely coppied rifle of all time is the Mauser. Check out how many of the original '98 features are still in use today. Why are so many custom rifles built on '98 actions? Seems to me if it aint broke don't fix it. Check out how many rifles are still around and the plethora of new and used parts available by numerous manufacturers. Mauser action, sniper platform, McMillan stock. Whats the problem? Q. Why do so many hotrodders use a GM 350 engine to build cars? A. because there are so many parts available.
Reimgton and Winchester are very proud of their parts. Try to find parts to repair or modify one.
Did you ever wonder why there are always new Guns in differant calibers.? To keep the arms and ammunition market from stagnating. Which in turn would cause some markets to dry up.
People are always looking for something new and better. Heven only knows why.
The most widely coppied rifle of all time is the Mauser. Check out how many of the original ’98 features are still in use today. Why are so many custom rifles built on ’98 actions?
Seems to me if it aint broke don’t fix it.
Check out how many rifles are still around and the plethora of new and used parts available by numerous manufacturers.
Mauser action, sniper platform, McMillan stock. Whats the problem?

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]]> By: Spiff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-44600 Spiff Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:59:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-44600 I wonder of the Steyr SSG 08 .338LAPUA will be in the competition - possibly the most accurate out-of-the-box rifle one can buy. Spiff I wonder of the Steyr SSG 08 .338LAPUA will be in the competition – possibly the most accurate out-of-the-box rifle one can buy.
Spiff

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]]> By: Spiff http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-44599 Spiff Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:58:39 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-44599 I wonder of the Steyr SSG 08 .338LAPUA will be in the competition - possibly the most accurate out-of-the-box rifle one can byu. Spiff I wonder of the Steyr SSG 08 .338LAPUA will be in the competition – possibly the most accurate out-of-the-box rifle one can byu.
Spiff

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]]> By: charles222 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-44581 charles222 Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:38:02 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-44581 To be fair, SOCOM is practically it's own service already; it just draws on the rest of the military for manpower. And even that isn't always the norm-you can try out for Army SF straight out of Basic with an 18 X-Ray contract. SOCOM necking down from four or five different sniper rifles to one makes good logistical sense; it was the rationale behind the SCAR. Prior to the SCAR, SF was using the following assault & battle rifles: -M4A1 -Mk 18 CQBR -Mk 11 SASS -Mk 12 Mod O SPR -Mk 14 Mod 0/Mod 1 EBR And probably others that I've never heard of. That's a logistical nightmare with no fewer than five different types of rifle in use. It generates wasted money and a lack of being able to standardize spare parts requirements. The PSR is a good, sensical program as well for the same reasons. To be fair, SOCOM is practically it’s own service already; it just draws on the rest of the military for manpower. And even that isn’t always the norm-you can try out for Army SF straight out of Basic with an 18 X-Ray contract.

SOCOM necking down from four or five different sniper rifles to one makes good logistical sense; it was the rationale behind the SCAR. Prior to the SCAR, SF was using the following assault & battle rifles:

-M4A1
-Mk 18 CQBR
-Mk 11 SASS
-Mk 12 Mod O SPR
-Mk 14 Mod 0/Mod 1 EBR

And probably others that I’ve never heard of. That’s a logistical nightmare with no fewer than five different types of rifle in use. It generates wasted money and a lack of being able to standardize spare parts requirements.

The PSR is a good, sensical program as well for the same reasons.

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]]> By: r m mccarthy http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-28369 r m mccarthy Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:42:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-28369 I have a howa 1500 winchester 300 magnum. I would like to buy a conversion kit, if available, to make my rifle more comfortable to shoot . An adjustable butt, cheek, finger pull ETC... More on the lines of a sniper rifle. I have no problem hitting what I aim at now, but sitting in a blind or on the ground has cost me quite a few trophy and freezers full of good meat adjusting my firing position. So bottom line, I need to find a kit that allows me to keep all the mechanics of my rifle, barrel, bolt, trigger, but all the adjustable extras of a good sniper rifle. Thank you I have a howa 1500 winchester 300 magnum. I would like to buy a conversion kit, if available, to make my rifle more comfortable to shoot . An adjustable butt, cheek, finger pull ETC… More on the lines of a sniper rifle. I have no problem hitting what I aim at now, but sitting in a blind or on the ground has cost me quite a few trophy and freezers full of good meat adjusting my firing position. So bottom line, I need to find a kit that allows me to keep all the mechanics of my rifle, barrel, bolt, trigger, but all the adjustable extras of a good sniper rifle. Thank you

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]]> By: Sean Ingram http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-22472 Sean Ingram Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:04:44 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-22472 Why not a falling block? It is just as accurate as any bolt action that I've ever shot and locks up just as tight, plus it's ambidextrous. Why not a falling block? It is just as accurate as any bolt action that I’ve ever shot and locks up just as tight, plus it’s ambidextrous.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-19684 Lance Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:17:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-19684 I dont think this is going to happen. SOCOM is going nuts with getting its own guns. Most of which is not needed. The head of this is a nutter who wants his own service to chair. 308 is the norm for sniping and I dont see the US alone going to a wildcat caliber. I dont think this is going to happen. SOCOM is going nuts with getting its own guns. Most of which is not needed. The head of this is a nutter who wants his own service to chair. 308 is the norm for sniping and I dont see the US alone going to a wildcat caliber.

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]]> By: zach http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-17355 zach Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:38:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-17355 why would a single shot falling block be at all useful for modern military operations? Does the M40A3 use a McMillan stock? Cause it looks like an A5 with different cheekrest why would a single shot falling block be at all useful for modern military operations? Does the M40A3 use a McMillan stock? Cause it looks like an A5 with different cheekrest

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]]> By: Brad http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-16759 Brad Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:51:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-16759 Hmm... requirement #6 implies a repeating weapon with a 5 round magazine. Yet requirement #2 does not say it must be a repeating weapon! So why not use a falling-block single-shot action? Perhaps the Ruger No. 1 action? Perhaps such a system wouldn't make the grade in terms of accuracy. But every rifle would be ambidextrous, the overall cartridge length and cartridge resistance to recoil wouldn't be as much a problem (long 300 grain bullets in .338 Lapua for example), and overall system length wouldn't be as much a problem. Hmm… requirement #6 implies a repeating weapon with a 5 round magazine. Yet requirement #2 does not say it must be a repeating weapon! So why not use a falling-block single-shot action? Perhaps the Ruger No. 1 action?

Perhaps such a system wouldn’t make the grade in terms of accuracy. But every rifle would be ambidextrous, the overall cartridge length and cartridge resistance to recoil wouldn’t be as much a problem (long 300 grain bullets in .338 Lapua for example), and overall system length wouldn’t be as much a problem.

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]]> By: Matt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-16656 Matt Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:21:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-16656 Phil, I realize the odds of you reading this slim, but yes. 1 MOA is totally realistic at 1500. Barrett, Chey Tac, Dakota, Remington, McMillan, and numerous others have demonstrated .5 MOA or better out to 2500. Though not with 10 round groups, that I've seen. Phil,
I realize the odds of you reading this slim, but yes. 1 MOA is totally realistic at 1500. Barrett, Chey Tac, Dakota, Remington, McMillan, and numerous others have demonstrated .5 MOA or better out to 2500. Though not with 10 round groups, that I’ve seen.

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]]> By: ERic Blumensaadt http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-14696 ERic Blumensaadt Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:00:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-14696 By looking at the new .338 Norma Magnum case I would guess that it may be more consistently accurate than the .338 Lapua Magnum (originally developed in the U.S. than adopted by Lapua). I say this because in benchrest shooting cartridges that are shorter, fatter and have a sharper shoulder angle tend to generate better accuracy. In any case I'd like either cartridge in a Desert Tactical SRS bullpup bolt rifle. Now THAT'S a rifle to meet the SOCOM specs if I ever saw one. By looking at the new .338 Norma Magnum case I would guess that it may be more consistently accurate than the .338 Lapua Magnum (originally developed in the U.S. than adopted by Lapua).

I say this because in benchrest shooting cartridges that are shorter, fatter and have a sharper shoulder angle tend to generate better accuracy.
In any case I’d like either cartridge in a Desert Tactical SRS bullpup bolt rifle. Now THAT’S a rifle to meet the SOCOM specs if I ever saw one.

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]]> By: Greg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-11283 Greg Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:17:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-11283 One other little typo issue, 1500 meters = 1640.4 yds. Little typo but big difference. One other little typo issue, 1500 meters = 1640.4 yds. Little typo but big difference.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-11265 Steve Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:43:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-11265 Don, meters. I have updated the article. Don, meters. I have updated the article.

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]]> By: Don http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-11261 Don Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:16:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-11261 Hi Steve, What is the unit of measurement on the drop test? -D Hi Steve,

What is the unit of measurement on the drop test?

-D

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]]> By: alex http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-11257 alex Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:21:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-11257 it sucks that they;re not gonna use the CheyTac....its so accurate.... it sucks that they;re not gonna use the CheyTac….its so accurate….

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]]> By: Phil http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/23/socom-precision-sniper-rifle-psr-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-11256 Phil Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6843#comment-11256 Is 1 MOA at 1500 meters realistic? Is 1 MOA at 1500 meters realistic?

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