Comments on: Worlds most expensive muzzle brake? http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BuckShot http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-78141 BuckShot Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:12:24 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-78141 I just purchased a muzzle brake from GRIZZLY GUNWORKS, and it is amazing. Way cheaper, better looking and custom made. I compete and my accuracy has improved tremendously. Also, this company is amazing because they can literally custom make anything for your rifle. I just purchased a muzzle brake from GRIZZLY GUNWORKS, and it is amazing. Way cheaper, better looking and custom made. I compete and my accuracy has improved tremendously. Also, this company is amazing because they can literally custom make anything for your rifle.

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]]> By: rich http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-63857 rich Fri, 27 May 2011 06:29:18 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-63857 Ok heres the deal, those of the population that go out and buy Ar series rifles are most often people that will never take that weapon system to a fight, weather it be over seas, or domestic. so if you think that simply buying the cheapest that money can buy is the right answer, then your already setting yourself up for worries! No im not paranoid, but normal everyday life goes south all the time, and if your not prepared, and have a weapon that can run, and dominate, then whats the use of owning it. i personally feel that if you spend the coin for the best, that piece of mind that knowing your gun will function, and dominate is a prety good feeling. im not a know all be all guy, but having been in combat more than once, and knowing full and well what its like to have "built by the lowest bidder" as my tool of the trade, and i know that my life, and my families, and friends life come first, so why leave that up to just cheapest that money can buy, just my thoughts on some things i read! thanks for listening!!! Ok heres the deal,
those of the population that go out and buy Ar series rifles are most often people that will never take that weapon system to a fight, weather it be over seas, or domestic. so if you think that simply buying the cheapest that money can buy is the right answer, then your already setting yourself up for worries! No im not paranoid, but normal everyday life goes south all the time, and if your not prepared, and have a weapon that can run, and dominate, then whats the use of owning it. i personally feel that if you spend the coin for the best, that piece of mind that knowing your gun will function, and dominate is a prety good feeling.
im not a know all be all guy, but having been in combat more than once, and knowing full and well what its like to have “built by the lowest bidder” as my tool of the trade, and i know that my life, and my families, and friends life come first, so why leave that up to just cheapest that money can buy, just my thoughts on some things i read! thanks for listening!!!

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]]> By: 3Gunner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-59405 3Gunner Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:38:07 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-59405 I compete with a couple guys that have this break... one loves it and swears by it and the other regrets buying it and says it isnt any better than his last one. I ran a PWS FSC556 before switching to the SJC Titan which I run now and I think the KAC break is inbetween. The SJC is the tits. My $0.02. I compete with a couple guys that have this break… one loves it and swears by it and the other regrets buying it and says it isnt any better than his last one. I ran a PWS FSC556 before switching to the SJC Titan which I run now and I think the KAC break is inbetween. The SJC is the tits. My $0.02.

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]]> By: bob http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-46970 bob Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:37:57 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-46970 it's the mirrors it’s the mirrors

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]]> By: Greg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-26390 Greg Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:26:48 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-26390 Yea it is overpriced but alot of things are. What I'd really like to see is how it works(like a CAD pic) I dont see how slits could make that big of a deal as far as recoil reduction. Yea it is overpriced but alot of things are. What I’d really like to see is how it works(like a CAD pic) I dont see how slits could make that big of a deal as far as recoil reduction.

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]]> By: tom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-13557 tom Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:06:58 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-13557 Funny, the brake on my AK-74 works pretty good, almost no muzzle climb with a round very similar to a 5.56, and my entire rifle cost about twice what this muzzle brake alone cost. Still, KAC makes great stuff, and it is usually worth the extra coin for their other parts. My KAC VFG cost about 3 times what the chinese knockoff costs, but it is more than 3 times as good, which makes it a better value. The chinese one is flexible as hell, the KAC one is solid. Funny, the brake on my AK-74 works pretty good, almost no muzzle climb with a round very similar to a 5.56, and my entire rifle cost about twice what this muzzle brake alone cost.

Still, KAC makes great stuff, and it is usually worth the extra coin for their other parts. My KAC VFG cost about 3 times what the chinese knockoff costs, but it is more than 3 times as good, which makes it a better value. The chinese one is flexible as hell, the KAC one is solid.

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]]> By: Condition1Kimber http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-12205 Condition1Kimber Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:27:28 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-12205 Man, what a bunch of haters! Yes it's expensive, but it's not something that is meant to be sold at Wally World. Get over it. I won't be buying one, but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate it, and take it for what it is. Any goober with a metal lathe and a milling machine can turn out a brake. I have. That is not what this is. It's meant to be over-engineered and exotic. Exotic things are expensive, or everyone would have one, and they wouldn't be exotic. It's an impressive bit of machine work made out of metal that you don't often see in the firearms industry. Nobody is trying to make you go out and buy one. Also, how can anybody really think that a $30 brake will perform the same as this. I've never even seen a $30 muzzle brake. Maybe you're referring to a flash hider, such as the standard birdcage style? Man, what a bunch of haters! Yes it’s expensive, but it’s not something that is meant to be sold at Wally World. Get over it. I won’t be buying one, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t appreciate it, and take it for what it is. Any goober with a metal lathe and a milling machine can turn out a brake. I have. That is not what this is. It’s meant to be over-engineered and exotic. Exotic things are expensive, or everyone would have one, and they wouldn’t be exotic. It’s an impressive bit of machine work made out of metal that you don’t often see in the firearms industry. Nobody is trying to make you go out and buy one.

Also, how can anybody really think that a $30 brake will perform the same as this. I’ve never even seen a $30 muzzle brake. Maybe you’re referring to a flash hider, such as the standard birdcage style?

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]]> By: mountainman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11460 mountainman Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:42:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11460 I can attest to the expensive price of "one off's" they can be like about 10X what a production item will cost. Sometimes I feel sorry for my customer and end up eating it up the b--. I end up thinking to myself " now way _______ is gonna pay $90 for a MB that looks like a $20 one but is just slighly different so it can fit his gun or do _____" I can attest to the expensive price of “one off’s” they can be like about 10X what a production item will cost. Sometimes I feel sorry for my customer and end up eating it up the b–. I end up thinking to myself ” now way _______ is gonna pay $90 for a MB that looks like a $20 one but is just slighly different so it can fit his gun or do _____”

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11177 jdun1911 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:33:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11177 Muzzle brake can be very loud but it provides excellent control of the weapon. The second round of a double tap will impact very close to the first bullet. Multiple targets can be engage very fast with a muzzle brake; hence it is very popular in competitions. Muzzle brake can be very loud but it provides excellent control of the weapon. The second round of a double tap will impact very close to the first bullet. Multiple targets can be engage very fast with a muzzle brake; hence it is very popular in competitions.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11162 Carl Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:31:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11162 Well, if it really works better than ordinary muzzle brakes I'm sure we'll see this design on rifles from Barret et al pretty soon. By the way, muzzle brakes can be bad for your hearing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake#Disadvantages_of_muzzle_brakes Well, if it really works better than ordinary muzzle brakes I’m sure we’ll see this design on rifles from Barret et al pretty soon.

By the way, muzzle brakes can be bad for your hearing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake#Disadvantages_of_muzzle_brakes

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11138 jdun1911 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:10:42 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11138 KAC didn't promote the item nor did they stated it is the best brake ever. However it sure does help when Christ Costa use it on his AR in the training video. KAC didn’t promote the item nor did they stated it is the best brake ever. However it sure does help when Christ Costa use it on his AR in the training video.

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]]> By: jdun1911 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11137 jdun1911 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:05:38 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11137 The $450 muzzle brake was design to be the first baffle for the $1200 KAC suppressor from what I understand. That and all KAC products are overpriced. You can get the same amount of performance out of a $30 muzzle brake IMO. Muzzle brakes do help when it comes to completions or shooting multiples targets. The $450 muzzle brake was design to be the first baffle for the $1200 KAC suppressor from what I understand. That and all KAC products are overpriced.

You can get the same amount of performance out of a $30 muzzle brake IMO.

Muzzle brakes do help when it comes to completions or shooting multiples targets.

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]]> By: Isaac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11136 Isaac Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:44:12 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11136 Just to put this in a little bit of context, since people are basically having sticker shock, but the majority of the cost is derived from the process of manufacturing these and the fact that it's a limited production run. It's just like buying a high end car part for an engine, the cost is high until you can make enough of them that the cost of production is offset by the profit you're making. KAC doesn't have this on their website because it's not something they see themselves offering for sale as a regular production item. As I said before the cost of making these brakes became high enough that they decided just to make them Inconel because it equaled the same price as stainless steel given the machine work involved. I don't think many people purchased the Triple Tap brake because of the material used, that's a nice benefit, but it's the performance they were after. As for how it functions, I'm a little fuzzy on it since I don't understand the physics involved completely. But I believe that in its design the gas slams forward to the end of the brake (the slots on the front help overpressure) transferring some kinetic force forward, while the gasses are redirected back and out the thin vents thus providing rearward and upward deflection of the gas. Don't take that as fact, just my observations. KAC hasn't promoted this item, or made crazy claims like this is the best muzzle brake in the world. The claims of absolutely awesome recoil reduction are coming from first hand reports from shooters who've tried it, especially ones who tried it prior to even knowing what the eventual price would be. There's some top guys out there who've tried this brake, who say it's awesome. It's regrettable that the price is what people are fixating on, I understand why, but at the same time it really is an impressive bit of engineering. Just to put this in a little bit of context, since people are basically having sticker shock, but the majority of the cost is derived from the process of manufacturing these and the fact that it’s a limited production run. It’s just like buying a high end car part for an engine, the cost is high until you can make enough of them that the cost of production is offset by the profit you’re making. KAC doesn’t have this on their website because it’s not something they see themselves offering for sale as a regular production item. As I said before the cost of making these brakes became high enough that they decided just to make them Inconel because it equaled the same price as stainless steel given the machine work involved.

I don’t think many people purchased the Triple Tap brake because of the material used, that’s a nice benefit, but it’s the performance they were after. As for how it functions, I’m a little fuzzy on it since I don’t understand the physics involved completely. But I believe that in its design the gas slams forward to the end of the brake (the slots on the front help overpressure) transferring some kinetic force forward, while the gasses are redirected back and out the thin vents thus providing rearward and upward deflection of the gas. Don’t take that as fact, just my observations.

KAC hasn’t promoted this item, or made crazy claims like this is the best muzzle brake in the world. The claims of absolutely awesome recoil reduction are coming from first hand reports from shooters who’ve tried it, especially ones who tried it prior to even knowing what the eventual price would be. There’s some top guys out there who’ve tried this brake, who say it’s awesome. It’s regrettable that the price is what people are fixating on, I understand why, but at the same time it really is an impressive bit of engineering.

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]]> By: Carl http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11128 Carl Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:07:43 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11128 I think I'd rather have the cheapest thing that gets the job done... ...and my wallet full of money. I found nothing about this on knightarmco.com. If they have no technical explanation whatsoever on why this is such a fantastic muzzle brake it sort of looks like useless bling to me. Anyone know how this thing works? Does it even redirect the gas to the rear? Why would you need to make this out of inconel? Has anyone ever melted an (non-inconel) muzzle brake? Also, all the rifles that really need effective muzzle breaks (.50 BMG) usually have muzzle brakes with a very simple design. This doesn't add up. I think I’d rather have the cheapest thing that gets the job done… …and my wallet full of money.

I found nothing about this on knightarmco.com. If they have no technical explanation whatsoever on why this is such a fantastic muzzle brake it sort of looks like useless bling to me.

Anyone know how this thing works? Does it even redirect the gas to the rear? Why would you need to make this out of inconel? Has anyone ever melted an (non-inconel) muzzle brake?

Also, all the rifles that really need effective muzzle breaks (.50 BMG) usually have muzzle brakes with a very simple design. This doesn’t add up.

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]]> By: Ken http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11123 Ken Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:19:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11123 "Wired out" means Electro discharge machining.A polarized wire essentially "burns out" the metal. You also have "sinker" EDM. A carbon like material is machined to the shape you want in your metal,set in a holder and polarized. Its burns the metal out to the shape you machined.Keep in mind im using generic terms here to describe the process. Google is your friend... If memory serves me right,"Magna porting" is done by the EDM process. “Wired out” means Electro discharge machining.A polarized wire essentially “burns out” the metal. You also have “sinker” EDM. A carbon like material is machined to the shape you want in your metal,set in a holder and polarized. Its burns the metal out to the shape you machined.Keep in mind im using generic terms here to describe the process. Google is your friend… If memory serves me right,”Magna porting” is done by the EDM process.

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11110 Steve Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:27:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11110 I will say that having the absolute best money can buy is always a nice feeling :) I will say that having the absolute best money can buy is always a nice feeling :)

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11109 Steve Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:26:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11109 Isaac, ah, thanks, the small runs explain the price. Please let us know how well yours works. Isaac, ah, thanks, the small runs explain the price. Please let us know how well yours works.

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]]> By: Isaac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11107 Isaac Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:22:22 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11107 Steve, I do have some minor quibbles. Yes I think this brake should be about 250-300 at MOST (more like 200, but again the production run was very limited, driving up costs). And I wish it was black right off the bat (it darkens with use though). I will not be trying out MINE till tomorrow. However from my experience with this brake on another gun the results were extremely impressive. As someone mentioned the recoil on a 5.56 is almost nothing, but the reduction added to that makes it an absolutely great experience, plus there's ZERO muzzle climb. KAC offers these in small runs, they're not marketing them for everyone due to cost. Those that have tried them love 'em, those that think that the cost is absurd may have a point. But it's a really effective design nonetheless, and the results are pretty damn impressive. Steve, I do have some minor quibbles. Yes I think this brake should be about 250-300 at MOST (more like 200, but again the production run was very limited, driving up costs). And I wish it was black right off the bat (it darkens with use though).

I will not be trying out MINE till tomorrow. However from my experience with this brake on another gun the results were extremely impressive. As someone mentioned the recoil on a 5.56 is almost nothing, but the reduction added to that makes it an absolutely great experience, plus there’s ZERO muzzle climb.

KAC offers these in small runs, they’re not marketing them for everyone due to cost. Those that have tried them love ‘em, those that think that the cost is absurd may have a point. But it’s a really effective design nonetheless, and the results are pretty damn impressive.

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]]> By: M'kay13 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11104 M'kay13 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:12:16 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11104 What does "wired out" mean? What does “wired out” mean?

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]]> By: Ken http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/19/worlds-most-expensive-muzzle-brake/comment-page-1/#comment-11103 Ken Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:43:35 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6797#comment-11103 Shame the barrel will melt before your fancy muzzle brake! BTW its is machined as well. The slots are wired out. The outside is lathe turned. Personally I can handle the recoil on an m4 series...dunno bout the rest of you....lol. Shame the barrel will melt before your fancy muzzle brake! BTW its is machined as well. The slots are wired out. The outside is lathe turned. Personally I can handle the recoil on an m4 series…dunno bout the rest of you….lol.

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