Comments on: Highly controversial training video http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/ Firearms not Politics Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: idiots http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-63305 idiots Fri, 20 May 2011 05:39:56 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-63305 I have personally taken 2 of their classes and met both the photographer in the video and the owner (James). I have also personally done what Jay has done in the video, as most people did in my class. THIS IS NOT DANGEROUS IF YOU HAVE RESPONSIBLE SHOOTERS. If i cant trust someone not to shoot me from 5 feet away why would i trust them otherwise? None of the 4 cardinal rules were broken here. And no, there is nothing illegal about it. That is moronic. The only reason people think this is so dangerous is because of range rules. And there was a point for him to stand down range...TO MAKE A POINT. He trusts the shooters as i trusted my shooters. I have personally taken 2 of their classes and met both the photographer in the video and the owner (James). I have also personally done what Jay has done in the video, as most people did in my class. THIS IS NOT DANGEROUS IF YOU HAVE RESPONSIBLE SHOOTERS. If i cant trust someone not to shoot me from 5 feet away why would i trust them otherwise? None of the 4 cardinal rules were broken here. And no, there is nothing illegal about it. That is moronic. The only reason people think this is so dangerous is because of range rules. And there was a point for him to stand down range…TO MAKE A POINT. He trusts the shooters as i trusted my shooters.

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]]> By: Miguel Denyer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-18397 Miguel Denyer Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:33:40 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-18397 Whilst I agree that the presence of the cameraman downrange of several shooters was unnecessary and very dangerous and was not the best example to set given the moronic tendencies of some that trawl the internet, it should be worth noting that every prominent member of the UK Royal family along with the prime minister of the UK are required to sit in the middle of the SAS 360 degree kill house during live fire training exercises. The SAS soldiers involved in these exercises are not only firing pistols either... they use sub machine guns too AND to add to the confusion, they are not simply firing in one direction but in all directions so it is a far more dangerous exercise than that displayed by the cameraman featured in the video. Again, I am not condoning acts of stupidity, just pointing out that there are valid reasons for having a live non-target downrange of active shooters. Whilst I agree that the presence of the cameraman downrange of several shooters was unnecessary and very dangerous and was not the best example to set given the moronic tendencies of some that trawl the internet, it should be worth noting that every prominent member of the UK Royal family along with the prime minister of the UK are required to sit in the middle of the SAS 360 degree kill house during live fire training exercises. The SAS soldiers involved in these exercises are not only firing pistols either… they use sub machine guns too AND to add to the confusion, they are not simply firing in one direction but in all directions so it is a far more dangerous exercise than that displayed by the cameraman featured in the video.

Again, I am not condoning acts of stupidity, just pointing out that there are valid reasons for having a live non-target downrange of active shooters.

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]]> By: mark http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-18071 mark Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:49:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-18071 OMG SO STUPID OMG SO STUPID

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]]> By: meat_tornado http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-14976 meat_tornado Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:35:54 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-14976 Once again I would like to point out again that due to his negligence James Yeager got three of his buddies killed while working as a contractor in Iraq. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8alt5C-yc4 He is the driver of the lead vehicle. Marvel as he bails out, leaving his vehicle (and friends) to suffer withering fire from insurgents... and die because of it. His excuse was "the vehicle malfunctioned." He had the emergency brake on and the car was in neutral. You can google the After Action Report of this attack and read very clearly that Yeager dropped the ball. He ran like a TRUE WARRIOR(tm). But I digress, moving on... AT NO TIME WHATSOEVER SHOULD CIVILIANS HAVE PEOPLE DOWNRANGE WHILE THEY FIRE. NO REASON. NO REASON. NO REASON. When I was in the Army Infantry we did live fire drills. BUT NEVER AT OUR OWN PEOPLE. We were always shooting in the SAME DIRECTION moving ON LINE. Never did we have ANYONE down range like this. And if you bring up the Night Infiltration course in Basic Training, those are tracer rounds being fed into fixed M240B machine guns and fixed to be something in the range of 12 feet off of the ground. The trainees are crawling in a low prone position on the ground. Only if they stood up, and managed to jump 5 feet in the air would they be hit by a tracer bullet. This cameraman is within a foot of the impact zone. UNACCEPTABLE. This camera man needs to be fired, and personally I believe James Yeager needs to be blacklisted and should train NO ONE on how to "tactically respond" to anything, let alone a firefight. Once again I would like to point out again that due to his negligence James Yeager got three of his buddies killed while working as a contractor in Iraq.

The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8alt5C-yc4

He is the driver of the lead vehicle. Marvel as he bails out, leaving his vehicle (and friends) to suffer withering fire from insurgents… and die because of it. His excuse was “the vehicle malfunctioned.”

He had the emergency brake on and the car was in neutral.

You can google the After Action Report of this attack and read very clearly that Yeager dropped the ball. He ran like a TRUE WARRIOR(tm).

But I digress, moving on…

AT NO TIME WHATSOEVER SHOULD CIVILIANS HAVE PEOPLE DOWNRANGE WHILE THEY FIRE.

NO REASON. NO REASON. NO REASON.

When I was in the Army Infantry we did live fire drills. BUT NEVER AT OUR OWN PEOPLE. We were always shooting in the SAME DIRECTION moving ON LINE. Never did we have ANYONE down range like this.

And if you bring up the Night Infiltration course in Basic Training, those are tracer rounds being fed into fixed M240B machine guns and fixed to be something in the range of 12 feet off of the ground. The trainees are crawling in a low prone position on the ground. Only if they stood up, and managed to jump 5 feet in the air would they be hit by a tracer bullet.

This cameraman is within a foot of the impact zone. UNACCEPTABLE. This camera man needs to be fired, and personally I believe James Yeager needs to be blacklisted and should train NO ONE on how to “tactically respond” to anything, let alone a firefight.

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]]> By: Camry http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11816 Camry Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:31:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11816 I'm speechless. You've GOT to be kidding me! As an active handgun instructor, I have a hard enough time getting my students not to handle firearms while others are in front of them, and this class is teaching them it is acceptable to FIRE their handguns while someone is downrange? Unbelievable. My safety record is 100% and I intend to keep it there. All of my live-fire instruction is done one-on-one to ensure compliance with all safety rules and provide appropriate feedback. Civilian schools encouraging their students to fire while others are downrange are headed for disaster. James and Ken just narrowed the field of advanced schools I want to spend money on. I’m speechless. You’ve GOT to be kidding me! As an active handgun instructor, I have a hard enough time getting my students not to handle firearms while others are in front of them, and this class is teaching them it is acceptable to FIRE their handguns while someone is downrange? Unbelievable. My safety record is 100% and I intend to keep it there. All of my live-fire instruction is done one-on-one to ensure compliance with all safety rules and provide appropriate feedback.

Civilian schools encouraging their students to fire while others are downrange are headed for disaster. James and Ken just narrowed the field of advanced schools I want to spend money on.

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]]> By: Pete http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11636 Pete Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:48:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11636 Just one word: Tripod Just one word:

Tripod

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]]> By: jyoseph http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11367 jyoseph Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:23:36 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11367 "none of the four rules of firearm safety have technically been broken " How do you figure? Rule #4? http://fourrulesofgunsafety.com/ “none of the four rules of firearm safety have technically been broken “

How do you figure? Rule #4?

http://fourrulesofgunsafety.com/

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]]> By: Cave Man http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11299 Cave Man Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:24:03 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11299 Quote: "It appeared that the guy standing was having second thoughts as the insanity got underway but then he inserted a new magazine and it looks like he fired another shot." No. He was doing a visual sweep of his surroundings after having shot. It's something I believe in. You fight how you train. Forming a habit of re-holstering your weapon or fiddling with your magazines every time you finish firing a shot or shots makes as much sense as forming the habit of dumping your revolver's empties in your pocket before reaching for the reload ammo. Look up the CA "Newhall massacre" for THAT one. The link to the article on officer-on-officer killings is instructive. Common threads: late to the party and missing the briefing yet still being allowed to "play" (both exercises and actual operations), failure to re-inspect for unloaded arms after leaving the training site, poor/nonexistent muzzle control in both exercises and operations, and complacency in assuring UNLOADED when doing anything OTHER THAN unholstering with the intent to shoot. Needs to be some Ninja-type ethic of never unsheath your sword unless it's going to get bloodied ethic or something, which constantly indoctrinates the truth that the sharp ends of these tools KILL. I believe all of those problems are far greater than deciding that the "safe direction" rule includes anything outside of a narrow cone around the potential bullet path. The un-nerving aspect of one trainer's "Z" or whatever fire-and-advance exercise can be suitably trained using mannequins, as far as I'm concerned. If participants want to stand in for the dummies or advance around live humans, there may be a time and place for that, but if so, ONLY AFTER all participants have passed several runs of the dummy run with flying colors. Quote:
“It appeared that the guy standing was having second thoughts as the insanity got underway but then he inserted a new magazine and it looks like he fired another shot.”

No. He was doing a visual sweep of his surroundings after having shot. It’s something I believe in. You fight how you train. Forming a habit of re-holstering your weapon or fiddling with your magazines every time you finish firing a shot or shots makes as much sense as forming the habit of dumping your revolver’s empties in your pocket before reaching for the reload ammo. Look up the CA “Newhall massacre” for THAT one.

The link to the article on officer-on-officer killings is instructive. Common threads: late to the party and missing the briefing yet still being allowed to “play” (both exercises and actual operations), failure to re-inspect for unloaded arms after leaving the training site, poor/nonexistent muzzle control in both exercises and operations, and complacency in assuring UNLOADED when doing anything OTHER THAN unholstering with the intent to shoot. Needs to be some Ninja-type ethic of never unsheath your sword unless it’s going to get bloodied ethic or something, which constantly indoctrinates the truth that the sharp ends of these tools KILL.

I believe all of those problems are far greater than deciding that the “safe direction” rule includes anything outside of a narrow cone around the potential bullet path.

The un-nerving aspect of one trainer’s “Z” or whatever fire-and-advance exercise can be suitably trained using mannequins, as far as I’m concerned. If participants want to stand in for the dummies or advance around live humans, there may be a time and place for that, but if so, ONLY AFTER all participants have passed several runs of the dummy run with flying colors.

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]]> By: Merv http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11184 Merv Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:00:14 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11184 So which one gets charged with aggravated assault or assault with a deadly weapon? What a bunch of stupid students, they must have all failed they're Use Of Force training, unless they can justify, they're lives where in jeopardy by the camera man shooting pictures. So which one gets charged with aggravated assault or assault with a deadly weapon? What a bunch of stupid students, they must have all failed they’re Use Of Force training, unless they can justify, they’re lives where in jeopardy by the camera man shooting pictures.

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]]> By: Witmann http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11115 Witmann Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:50:00 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11115 Well.. I only know of one place here in Denmark where they shoot with people downrange. It's at the spec ops range, and it's with scoped rifles, not handguns. They did it as a part of a sniper training course for journalists, where the instructor put a water bottle 1 meter away from him, continued his lecture, and then the bottle was hit by a single round, to illustrate the point. That might seems a little reckless..and that was with a highty trained spec op prone shooter.. with rest.. with a scope..for a very specific reason. Doing it with handguns like this.. seems like more balls than brains to me! Well..

I only know of one place here in Denmark where they shoot with people downrange. It’s at the spec ops range, and it’s with scoped rifles, not handguns. They did it as a part of a sniper training course for journalists, where the instructor put a water bottle 1 meter away from him, continued his lecture, and then the bottle was hit by a single round, to illustrate the point.

That might seems a little reckless..and that was with a highty trained spec op prone shooter.. with rest.. with a scope..for a very specific reason.

Doing it with handguns like this.. seems like more balls than brains to me!

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]]> By: William Harris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11105 William Harris Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:14:47 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11105 First, not just no but hell no. Second there are specific VERY well thought out clearly understood training goals for someone downrange during a livefire. Third not in a civilian enviroment, not now not ever. A picture is NEVER one of them. Military and some police might have some specific training goals for someone downrange, Delta, SWAT, a tirehouse livefire. Days of training, rehearsals, Airsoft work, paintball ALL before live rounds are ever issued. Necessary risk vs end goal is carefully weighed. Professional gun shooters and still accidents happen. Yes it is dangerous, thats why we take every concievable precaution, hearing, eye, backdrop and all the others to be as safe as we can make it. Why in the video doesn't ALL the shooters do the same thing if they are in the same class? Also with all the anti gun lobbies WHY give them more ammunition to ban guns? First, not just no but hell no. Second there are specific VERY well thought out clearly understood training goals for someone downrange during a livefire. Third not in a civilian enviroment, not now not ever. A picture is NEVER one of them. Military and some police might have some specific training goals for someone downrange, Delta, SWAT, a tirehouse livefire. Days of training, rehearsals, Airsoft work, paintball ALL before live rounds are ever issued. Necessary risk vs end goal is carefully weighed. Professional gun shooters and still accidents happen. Yes it is dangerous, thats why we take every concievable precaution, hearing, eye, backdrop and all the others to be as safe as we can make it. Why in the video doesn’t ALL the shooters do the same thing if they are in the same class? Also with all the anti gun lobbies WHY give them more ammunition to ban guns?

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]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11088 Steve Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:58:52 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11088 D., thanks for the link. D., thanks for the link.

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]]> By: Thomas M. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11048 Thomas M. Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:00:59 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11048 Nice to know you have assumed the role of judging who should be training and who shouldn't. If you intent to advocate the use of government force (TRO) to close training schools or stopping instructors you do not agree with or deem unsafe, well the list is going to be longer than you think. If you don't agree with the way they train then don't go. I am sure that their other schools that will be happy to take your money. Nice to know you have assumed the role of judging who should be training and who shouldn’t. If you intent to advocate the use of government force (TRO) to close training schools or stopping instructors you do not agree with or deem unsafe, well the list is going to be longer than you think.

If you don’t agree with the way they train then don’t go. I am sure that their other schools that will be happy to take your money.

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]]> By: Jay.Mac http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11034 Jay.Mac Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:39:32 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11034 Dangerous, reckless and utterly needless. Reminded me of this picture- a Chinese soldier actually holding a target up. http://www.cybersalt.org/cleanlaugh/images/03/militarycomplaining.htm Dangerous, reckless and utterly needless.

Reminded me of this picture- a Chinese soldier actually holding a target up.

http://www.cybersalt.org/cleanlaugh/images/03/militarycomplaining.htm

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]]> By: Gundam http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11033 Gundam Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:31:06 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11033 Why am I not surprised to see a bunch of gun-toting wanna-be heroes and a chubby photographer acting like morons? Why am I not surprised to see a bunch of gun-toting wanna-be heroes and a chubby photographer acting like morons?

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]]> By: ErnestThing http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11032 ErnestThing Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:31:09 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11032 Just some quick notes as I was watching that video; (Steve, if this is not the right place for this, feel free to delete this comment) Yes, there is no true safety, there's only best effort. This was not the best effort. "We've always been controversial" is not a defense of dangerous firearm handling. Call detractors jabbering internet commandos, then tell them to go to your forum! Fantastic! At least we can know what to expect if we join! So if you're not willing to fire a round when someone is in front of you, how will you ever do it? I don't know? Why don't you ask the countless people who shoot intruders or attackers having never shot a person before. Oh! The driving comparison! Yes, that's a good one to use, particularly in the case of firearms, because firearm sports have such a great safety rate, and driving is often use for comparison. Do you, perchance, know why firearm sports enjoy such a great safety rate? BECAUSE WE DON'T SHOOT GUNS WITH PEOPLE DOWNRANGE! IT'S SAFER TO HAVE SOMEONE DOWNRANGE!? Ladies... Gentlemen... The shark has been jumped. This is the equivalent of radio shock jocking. Why not just say everyone who disagrees isn't a REAL WARRIOR™, and anyone who doesn't take your course won't get their REAL WARRIOR™ CERTIFICATE But really, I guess it's OK. I mean, it's not like people are prone to flinch when firing guns. You know, I was kind of joking about that REAL WARRIOR™ CERTIFICATE, but you are just too predictable. So you're not looking for the 10 or the 80? Do you guys have a 10/80 test you do to make sure your students won't flinch and accidentally kill your photographer? I guess that's just a chance you're willing to take. I'm not. Just some quick notes as I was watching that video; (Steve, if this is not the right place for this, feel free to delete this comment)

Yes, there is no true safety, there’s only best effort. This was not the best effort.

“We’ve always been controversial” is not a defense of dangerous firearm handling.

Call detractors jabbering internet commandos, then tell them to go to your forum! Fantastic! At least we can know what to expect if we join!

So if you’re not willing to fire a round when someone is in front of you, how will you ever do it? I don’t know? Why don’t you ask the countless people who shoot intruders or attackers having never shot a person before.

Oh! The driving comparison! Yes, that’s a good one to use, particularly in the case of firearms, because firearm sports have such a great safety rate, and driving is often use for comparison. Do you, perchance, know why firearm sports enjoy such a great safety rate? BECAUSE WE DON’T SHOOT GUNS WITH PEOPLE DOWNRANGE!

IT’S SAFER TO HAVE SOMEONE DOWNRANGE!?

Ladies… Gentlemen… The shark has been jumped. This is the equivalent of radio shock jocking. Why not just say everyone who disagrees isn’t a REAL WARRIOR™, and anyone who doesn’t take your course won’t get their REAL WARRIOR™ CERTIFICATE

But really, I guess it’s OK. I mean, it’s not like people are prone to flinch when firing guns.

You know, I was kind of joking about that REAL WARRIOR™ CERTIFICATE, but you are just too predictable. So you’re not looking for the 10 or the 80? Do you guys have a 10/80 test you do to make sure your students won’t flinch and accidentally kill your photographer? I guess that’s just a chance you’re willing to take.

I’m not.

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]]> By: chris http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11031 chris Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:54:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11031 an argument that "other things are more dangerous" is bullshit.... that and then he spends the rest of the video talking about how leet his training is... he is cocky and reckless and someone is going to die because of that... ill stay far away thank you... an argument that “other things are more dangerous” is bullshit….

that and then he spends the rest of the video talking about how leet his training is…

he is cocky and reckless and someone is going to die because of that… ill stay far away thank you…

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]]> By: Yo http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11030 Yo Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:05:30 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11030 There is no explanation that justifies this dangerous situation. If having instructors downrange (between shooting stations) is an approved practice of Tactical Response, that organization should be shut down. If I was a student in that situation I would have made safe my gun, backed away from the line, asked for my money back, and left. And I'd return the next day with a TRO (temporary restraining order) to ensure safe practices are implemented. I don't know who provides the liability insurance for the Camden, TN range where Tactical Response operates. But most ranges are able to operate by virtue of a $1,000,000 NRA policy. I can assure you that the practice shown on the video would lead to the retraction of insurance coverage. If Tactical Response is operating without insurance, all the more reason to avoid the TR school. As far as I'm concerned these folks are a black mark on the industry and should be hounded out of business. There is no explanation that justifies this dangerous situation. If having instructors downrange (between shooting stations) is an approved practice of Tactical Response, that organization should be shut down. If I was a student in that situation I would have made safe my gun, backed away from the line, asked for my money back, and left.

And I’d return the next day with a TRO (temporary restraining order) to ensure safe practices are implemented.

I don’t know who provides the liability insurance for the Camden, TN range where Tactical Response operates. But most ranges are able to operate by virtue of a $1,000,000 NRA policy. I can assure you that the practice shown on the video would lead to the retraction of insurance coverage.

If Tactical Response is operating without insurance, all the more reason to avoid the TR school. As far as I’m concerned these folks are a black mark on the industry and should be hounded out of business.

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]]> By: D. Tanner http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11029 D. Tanner Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:40:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11029 James has asked anyone linking these videos to view this response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ James has asked anyone linking these videos to view this response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ

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]]> By: ErnestThing http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/06/17/highly-controversial-training-video/comment-page-1/#comment-11026 ErnestThing Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:06:21 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6751#comment-11026 You couldn't pay me any amount of money to be on either side of that firing line. Comparing this to breaking some of the four rules for training purposes is utter nonsense. This is not you dry firing at your teevee, this is you discharging your firearm at a target, with a live human being under three feet away. You want to practice shooting at an actual human being? Buy a full length mirror, set it up so it shows the reflection of a person safely behind a berm or bullet proof media, and shoot at the mirror. The idea that "this is how the professionals train" is nonsense. The realities of the military, particularly special forces, is that they are going to intentionally be put in positions where they will be shot at, and will need to shoot at, and kill people. Besides, being ordered to shoot bullets over the heads of people crawling in the dirt under threat of imprisonment is very different than attending a training course, walking up to the line, pointing your gun two inches of muzzle movement from a live human being, and voluntarily pulling the trigger because the instructor told you, "don't worry, it's cool." And that photographer is showing some real effort at a Darwin award. Letting people who's only known qualifications are that they have a few hundred bucks and a few hundred rounds of ammo shoot at targets three feet from him. Three's plenty of stupid to go around. You couldn’t pay me any amount of money to be on either side of that firing line.

Comparing this to breaking some of the four rules for training purposes is utter nonsense. This is not you dry firing at your teevee, this is you discharging your firearm at a target, with a live human being under three feet away.

You want to practice shooting at an actual human being? Buy a full length mirror, set it up so it shows the reflection of a person safely behind a berm or bullet proof media, and shoot at the mirror.

The idea that “this is how the professionals train” is nonsense. The realities of the military, particularly special forces, is that they are going to intentionally be put in positions where they will be shot at, and will need to shoot at, and kill people. Besides, being ordered to shoot bullets over the heads of people crawling in the dirt under threat of imprisonment is very different than attending a training course, walking up to the line, pointing your gun two inches of muzzle movement from a live human being, and voluntarily pulling the trigger because the instructor told you, “don’t worry, it’s cool.”

And that photographer is showing some real effort at a Darwin award. Letting people who’s only known qualifications are that they have a few hundred bucks and a few hundred rounds of ammo shoot at targets three feet from him.

Three’s plenty of stupid to go around.

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