UPDATE: Looks like the above photo is a photoshop. Thanks to JM for finding the original. These obrez pistols do exist and the bottom photo does appear authentic. Wow! Just when you think you have seen it all, you see a photo of a Mosin Nagant pistol!
Go read about it at Real Gun Guys.
UPDATE: AB posted a link in the comments to this photo of one that appears have been cut down to only a few inches of barrel!
PTK from THR owns a “Obrez”, His name is eliteharbor or whatever on youtube that has a vid on there
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0Here’s is the SBR nagant being fired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I
0 0If you really believe that the above chopped Mosin Nagant is a photoshop, then it’s one hell of a good job. What you cite about the image is alittle straw grasping IMHO
0 0The obretz version of a Mosin Nagant goes all the way back to the Russian Revolution. There is also record of them being used in WWII by partizans. I have a pic I took of one in the Artillery and Sappers Museum in St. Petersburg.
The ammo used was supposed to be a reduced powder load using a bullet from Nagant revolver.
0 0Steve, it’s the way the shadow appears around the rear of the pistol grip. Notice how the shadow is shorter than the shadow cast by the trigger guard, and the shadow cast by the clip of ammo at top? Since the pistol grip is about as high off the ground as the clip and the trigger guard – actually it would be higher off the ground – the shadow it casts should be the same length, if not longer, than the shadow cast by these other elements of the photo. I also find it unusual that the shadow cast by the pistol grip seems to just stop an inch below the tang of the rifle. There’s no good reason for that, no placement of lighting I can see evidence of that would make that happen. I think the pistol grip was cut-and-pasted in from another weapon, rather than really being glued to the stock, and the joints were smoothed over with the clone and blur tools. I know from being a frequent photoshop user that this kind of shadow, and indeed this whole picture, is easy to generate with some clever photoshopping.
0 0I agree the recoil would be a SOB when shooting this thing.
0 0This is actually mentionend on a website called http://www.7.62x54r.net
They were just cut down, not made that way. But I think you figured that one out
0 0I agree with Mang. Shadows all wrong, grip has different lighting/focus, etc. What’s interesting is this could be art imitating life. The author may not have known about the Obrez.
0 0the kid holding the pistol looks like a kid I used to work with, he was from Uzbekistan… but I have a feeling this photo is a lot older than that.
0 0I googled “obrez” in cyrillic and came up with lots of pictures of sawed-off rifles that weren’t Mosin Nagants, so “obrez” is (or NOW is) Russian slang for “sawed off rifle”… still possible that the first one was a Mosin Nagant…
0 0here your tacticool mosin at the range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZJZl2X3hmg&feature=related
0 0hülye gyerek, a lábadat daraboltad volna fel inkább, mint azt a pontosan lövő kiváló ex hadi-karabélyt! 
0 0This idea is very old. In 1920 members of anti-soviet “kulak” movement used to cut the stock and barrel that would allow concealed carry of the rifle. It was called “obrez” meaning “cut-off”. You can probably find original images of it on the web. Rugs on the wall were widely used in all Sovied republics, not only asian ones. This picture coul be made anywhere in waht used to be USSR, and it does not have to be photoshop.
Wilson, thanks for the safety tip!!!
0 0I saw something like this gun in a antique store many years ago. The original rifle was not a mosin Nagant though, it was a Mauser rifle i think. It looked like the photoshopped picture, but a lot more weathered.
I was very curious about it and the shop owner told me he thought it was a north african piece, it was decorated with arab writings. He said it was frequent to buy these from nomadic people because they are easy to handle on horseback once the rider holds the reins with his teeth.
0 0you are not familiar with the mosin nagat rifle???
do you not know where the safety is???
you pull back the rear of the bolt and turn left, it then rests on the reciever, thus rendering the firing pin locked back…
it appears that only the stock and barrel were modified.
0 0To those of you who have never actually seen a Mosin up close, this gun does have a safety. The wheel shaped thing on the back of the bolt (farthest back silver portion in both pics) IS the safety. You pull it back (it will fight you, it’s a very tough spring that fires the gun) and rotate it to the left (to about the 10.30 or 10.45 positions with respect to the rest of the rifle), where it locks onto the frame of the rifle.
It works by compressing and locking the spring which operates the firing pin, while also retracting the back of the bolt which is attached to the firing pin. When retracted, the spring is highly compressed and locked and the firing pin is drawn back into the bolt and locked to prevent it from flying forward and setting off the rifle in the event it is dropped.
To un-safety the weapon, pull back on that metal circle and twist the right until the piece that grabs the weapons frame is at the 12 o’clock positions in respect to the rest of the weapon.
Also, while the sites may be declinated out to 2000m, 7.62×54(mm)R is only accurate out to 700m max. The SVD sniper rifle was originally developed to “extend the range of a rifle squad to 600m”, it runs on the same ammo as both the Mosin 1891 and the M44 (1944) short barreled version for urban combat.
0 0Funny you mention this.
As I browsed through my daily “WTF Is going on in Russia” blogs I came across a post with this photo in it.
http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0906/a0/6778a8f6c0b8.jpg
It appears to be a Mosin Nagant type rifle but cut even further down.
Quite the hand cannon for that young chap to be toting around without a safety!
0 0AB, thanks! Crazy!
0 0Okay, last one for the day.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/orderodonata/obrezmotivate.jpg
I think these last two photos are worth a post in the morning. haha
I must have suffered drain bammage from looking at the tacti-cool Nagant and have been looking up the parts it would take to make one of those.
Antique gun, collapsible shotgun stock, picatinny mounting set, foregrip, and a basic holographic sight all comes out to $250ish.
Reaction of people at the local gunclub when you whip that pig out and start slinging fireballs downrange: Priceless.
And most likely someone will call you a philistine for abusing an old relic. heh
0 0lol this is pretty funny,but must be uncomfortable pulling the bolt back
0 0Ummm. . . Wouldn’t that be considered a short-barrel rifle (SBR), with all the BATFE crap that that entails.
I must admit, beautiful looking work. But when you think about it, how useful is it? Short barrel, short sight radius, no safety, kick like TWO mules (and you’re not holding it to your shoulder) (break your wrist, knock yourself on the forehead), 6 foot flame (temporary blind). Two-handed, cross-handed operation?
All in all, thanks but no thanks. You try it first. Any videos of it being shot?
0 0I wonder what the muzzle flash is like with one of those… O.o
0 0Dear Lord! The fireball alone would ensure you never had to worry about plucking your eyebrows ever again.
0 0Any shorter and the chambered cartridge would be sticking out of the muzzle!
0 0OMG! Can you imagine the recoil on that! And it looks like it still has the 2,000 meter rear sight on it! LOL!
0 0I think that guy on the right is Dan Rather. 
0 0Disclaimer for those who may stumble onto this: In the US, the ATF would consider this a short-barreled-rifle, which requires federal registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934. You must register it before you start the project. Violation the 1934 NFA can land you in federal prison for up to 10 years.
Personal note: I *love* Mosin-Nagants for some reason I cannot understand. I’d love to try this.
0 0Just so everyone knows, the first Nagant pistol is a photoshop! The link thru to the source has a video of a real sawn-off Nagant being fired, though…
0 0Mang, what makes you say that?
0 0All right, thanks for the info.
0 0B Woodman,
Note the Persian rug in the background, I’m guessing this photo was taken in central asia. Gunsmiths in the Khyber Pass have long come up with ingenious designs for weapons in an area where they are highly restricted, yet commonly needed. Modern weapons in particular are difficult to find, yet one hundred rifles are quite common. I guess someone wanted a pistol, and all they could find is a Mosgin. Clearly, it is useful because it is concealable, yet still is a firearm. No, it is not something that would have any use at all here in the states. I’d bet you could break your wrist with that thing if you’re not careful. I love the photo.
0 0Hah! Glad that link brought some laughs.
I found another one just goobering around the net and I think you may like it or be horrified.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9120/mosinzc5.jpg
A Nagant brought kicking and screaming into the new tactical world.
0 0AB,
LOL
0 0yo i believe that the russians sawed off their mosin nagants because thats all that they had in some of the conflicts! i mean come on why not? if u were in the trenches and all u had were mosins…wouldnt u saw a few of them off? and when u saw the nazis charging into your trench(im mostly refering to ww1) i think a sawed off mosin nagant would be just the thing to blow a good sized hole through one of them and betweem the shockwave and the muzzle blast u would probably blow their eardrums out! burn their eye brows off! start their clothes on fire! and probably knock them flat on their back!
2 3there weren’t any nazis in WW1 and the obrez pistol was mainly used by russians during the revolution against the tsar because it was easily concealable, much like the sawn off coachgun in america
3 0my wrist hurts just from looking at this.
as for the SBR, i was under the impression that it is legal to convert a rifle int a pistol, (Ala the Ruger charger) but taking it back to a rifle is illegal. please someone correct me if i am wrong.
0 1higs, the Ruger Charger is manufactured as a pistol, it is not a rifle. You cannot take a un-concealable weapon and make is concealable.
I think the above gun is legally an SBR. Registering it as an SBR allow you have have any barrel length. They then simply converted the full stock into a pistol grip.
0 0Ok, thats a good idea if you want stitches in your forehead. We’re talking about a round that, at 1000 meters, retains as much velocity and energy as a .300 Winchester Magnum. The only succesful conversion of a rifle round into a pistol was and still is the .45-70 Gvt. And it takes being made of some really good stuff to be able to LIFT the revolver, let alone fire it. Whoever made this “pistol” should be pistol whipped with it for basically destroying a perfectly good piece of World War 2 history, not to mention violated a whole host of federal gun laws. Yes, I know that there have been over 180 million Mosin Nagant rifles produced since 1891 in all its various forms and incarnations, from the first M1891, to the Chinese T-53, but come on, dont destroy a mosin, destroy a Carcano, or an Enfield.
0 1Notice skinny young man #1 has finger on trigger and muzzle pointed in the direction of skinny young man numero dos. Is there another picture here we are missing… happy gunman & headless couchman with persian rug backdrop perhaps?
0 1Haha, I’ve had this picture on my drive for ages! It’s definitely an oddball, though there’s is historical precedent. The Soviets did at one point develop (I’m using the term lightly…more like hack and chop) a “pistol” variant of the Mosin Nagant, a model of which is on display in a museum in Russia if I recall. I can’t remember the name of it though, hopefully someone else knows more and can fill in the gaps.
I could see one of these being fun to shoot if you hand-load a “pistol” strength cartridge for it. Anyone know of reloadable 54r brass? 
0 1While obrez pistols obviously do exist, I’m afraid your opening image is a photoshop job. Here’s the original: http://imgur.com/WjgEn.jpg
0 1JM, thanks for the link! haha.
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hülye gyerek, a lábadat daraboltad volna fel inkább, mint azt a pontosan lövő kiváló ex hadi-karabélyt!
here your tacticool mosin at the range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZJZl2X3hmg&feature=related
yo i believe that the russians sawed off their mosin nagants because thats all that they had in some of the conflicts! i mean come on why not? if u were in the trenches and all u had were mosins…wouldnt u saw a few of them off? and when u saw the nazis charging into your trench(im mostly refering to ww1) i think a sawed off mosin nagant would be just the thing to blow a good sized hole through one of them and betweem the shockwave and the muzzle blast u would probably blow their eardrums out! burn their eye brows off! start their clothes on fire! and probably knock them flat on their back!
there weren’t any nazis in WW1 and the obrez pistol was mainly used by russians during the revolution against the tsar because it was easily concealable, much like the sawn off coachgun in america
I googled “obrez” in cyrillic and came up with lots of pictures of sawed-off rifles that weren’t Mosin Nagants, so “obrez” is (or NOW is) Russian slang for “sawed off rifle”… still possible that the first one was a Mosin Nagant…
This idea is very old. In 1920 members of anti-soviet “kulak” movement used to cut the stock and barrel that would allow concealed carry of the rifle. It was called “obrez” meaning “cut-off”. You can probably find original images of it on the web. Rugs on the wall were widely used in all Sovied republics, not only asian ones. This picture coul be made anywhere in waht used to be USSR, and it does not have to be photoshop.
Wilson, thanks for the safety tip!!!
I saw something like this gun in a antique store many years ago. The original rifle was not a mosin Nagant though, it was a Mauser rifle i think. It looked like the photoshopped picture, but a lot more weathered.
I was very curious about it and the shop owner told me he thought it was a north african piece, it was decorated with arab writings. He said it was frequent to buy these from nomadic people because they are easy to handle on horseback once the rider holds the reins with his teeth.
To those of you who have never actually seen a Mosin up close, this gun does have a safety. The wheel shaped thing on the back of the bolt (farthest back silver portion in both pics) IS the safety. You pull it back (it will fight you, it’s a very tough spring that fires the gun) and rotate it to the left (to about the 10.30 or 10.45 positions with respect to the rest of the rifle), where it locks onto the frame of the rifle.
It works by compressing and locking the spring which operates the firing pin, while also retracting the back of the bolt which is attached to the firing pin. When retracted, the spring is highly compressed and locked and the firing pin is drawn back into the bolt and locked to prevent it from flying forward and setting off the rifle in the event it is dropped.
To un-safety the weapon, pull back on that metal circle and twist the right until the piece that grabs the weapons frame is at the 12 o’clock positions in respect to the rest of the weapon.
Also, while the sites may be declinated out to 2000m, 7.62×54(mm)R is only accurate out to 700m max. The SVD sniper rifle was originally developed to “extend the range of a rifle squad to 600m”, it runs on the same ammo as both the Mosin 1891 and the M44 (1944) short barreled version for urban combat.
you are not familiar with the mosin nagat rifle???
do you not know where the safety is???
you pull back the rear of the bolt and turn left, it then rests on the reciever, thus rendering the firing pin locked back…
it appears that only the stock and barrel were modified.
the kid holding the pistol looks like a kid I used to work with, he was from Uzbekistan… but I have a feeling this photo is a lot older than that.
This is actually mentionend on a website called http://www.7.62x54r.net
They were just cut down, not made that way. But I think you figured that one out
While obrez pistols obviously do exist, I’m afraid your opening image is a photoshop job. Here’s the original: http://imgur.com/WjgEn.jpg
JM, thanks for the link! haha.
Ok, thats a good idea if you want stitches in your forehead. We’re talking about a round that, at 1000 meters, retains as much velocity and energy as a .300 Winchester Magnum. The only succesful conversion of a rifle round into a pistol was and still is the .45-70 Gvt. And it takes being made of some really good stuff to be able to LIFT the revolver, let alone fire it. Whoever made this “pistol” should be pistol whipped with it for basically destroying a perfectly good piece of World War 2 history, not to mention violated a whole host of federal gun laws. Yes, I know that there have been over 180 million Mosin Nagant rifles produced since 1891 in all its various forms and incarnations, from the first M1891, to the Chinese T-53, but come on, dont destroy a mosin, destroy a Carcano, or an Enfield.
Here’s is the SBR nagant being fired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I
PTK from THR owns a “Obrez”, His name is eliteharbor or whatever on youtube that has a vid on there
If you really believe that the above chopped Mosin Nagant is a photoshop, then it’s one hell of a good job. What you cite about the image is alittle straw grasping IMHO
I agree with Mang. Shadows all wrong, grip has different lighting/focus, etc. What’s interesting is this could be art imitating life. The author may not have known about the Obrez.
The obretz version of a Mosin Nagant goes all the way back to the Russian Revolution. There is also record of them being used in WWII by partizans. I have a pic I took of one in the Artillery and Sappers Museum in St. Petersburg.
The ammo used was supposed to be a reduced powder load using a bullet from Nagant revolver.
I agree the recoil would be a SOB when shooting this thing.
Steve, it’s the way the shadow appears around the rear of the pistol grip. Notice how the shadow is shorter than the shadow cast by the trigger guard, and the shadow cast by the clip of ammo at top? Since the pistol grip is about as high off the ground as the clip and the trigger guard – actually it would be higher off the ground – the shadow it casts should be the same length, if not longer, than the shadow cast by these other elements of the photo. I also find it unusual that the shadow cast by the pistol grip seems to just stop an inch below the tang of the rifle. There’s no good reason for that, no placement of lighting I can see evidence of that would make that happen. I think the pistol grip was cut-and-pasted in from another weapon, rather than really being glued to the stock, and the joints were smoothed over with the clone and blur tools. I know from being a frequent photoshop user that this kind of shadow, and indeed this whole picture, is easy to generate with some clever photoshopping.
Okay, last one for the day.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/orderodonata/obrezmotivate.jpg
I think these last two photos are worth a post in the morning. haha
I must have suffered drain bammage from looking at the tacti-cool Nagant and have been looking up the parts it would take to make one of those.
Antique gun, collapsible shotgun stock, picatinny mounting set, foregrip, and a basic holographic sight all comes out to $250ish.
Reaction of people at the local gunclub when you whip that pig out and start slinging fireballs downrange: Priceless.
And most likely someone will call you a philistine for abusing an old relic. heh
Hah! Glad that link brought some laughs.
I found another one just goobering around the net and I think you may like it or be horrified.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9120/mosinzc5.jpg
A Nagant brought kicking and screaming into the new tactical world.
AB,
LOL
Just so everyone knows, the first Nagant pistol is a photoshop! The link thru to the source has a video of a real sawn-off Nagant being fired, though…
Mang, what makes you say that?
All right, thanks for the info.
my wrist hurts just from looking at this.
as for the SBR, i was under the impression that it is legal to convert a rifle int a pistol, (Ala the Ruger charger) but taking it back to a rifle is illegal. please someone correct me if i am wrong.
higs, the Ruger Charger is manufactured as a pistol, it is not a rifle. You cannot take a un-concealable weapon and make is concealable.
I think the above gun is legally an SBR. Registering it as an SBR allow you have have any barrel length. They then simply converted the full stock into a pistol grip.
B Woodman,
Note the Persian rug in the background, I’m guessing this photo was taken in central asia. Gunsmiths in the Khyber Pass have long come up with ingenious designs for weapons in an area where they are highly restricted, yet commonly needed. Modern weapons in particular are difficult to find, yet one hundred rifles are quite common. I guess someone wanted a pistol, and all they could find is a Mosgin. Clearly, it is useful because it is concealable, yet still is a firearm. No, it is not something that would have any use at all here in the states. I’d bet you could break your wrist with that thing if you’re not careful. I love the photo.
Disclaimer for those who may stumble onto this: In the US, the ATF would consider this a short-barreled-rifle, which requires federal registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934. You must register it before you start the project. Violation the 1934 NFA can land you in federal prison for up to 10 years.
Personal note: I *love* Mosin-Nagants for some reason I cannot understand. I’d love to try this.
I wonder what the muzzle flash is like with one of those… O.o
Notice skinny young man #1 has finger on trigger and muzzle pointed in the direction of skinny young man numero dos. Is there another picture here we are missing… happy gunman & headless couchman with persian rug backdrop perhaps?
Ummm. . . Wouldn’t that be considered a short-barrel rifle (SBR), with all the BATFE crap that that entails.
I must admit, beautiful looking work. But when you think about it, how useful is it? Short barrel, short sight radius, no safety, kick like TWO mules (and you’re not holding it to your shoulder) (break your wrist, knock yourself on the forehead), 6 foot flame (temporary blind). Two-handed, cross-handed operation?
All in all, thanks but no thanks. You try it first. Any videos of it being shot?
Haha, I’ve had this picture on my drive for ages! It’s definitely an oddball, though there’s is historical precedent. The Soviets did at one point develop (I’m using the term lightly…more like hack and chop) a “pistol” variant of the Mosin Nagant, a model of which is on display in a museum in Russia if I recall. I can’t remember the name of it though, hopefully someone else knows more and can fill in the gaps.
I could see one of these being fun to shoot if you hand-load a “pistol” strength cartridge for it. Anyone know of reloadable 54r brass?
lol this is pretty funny,but must be uncomfortable pulling the bolt back
Dear Lord! The fireball alone would ensure you never had to worry about plucking your eyebrows ever again.
Any shorter and the chambered cartridge would be sticking out of the muzzle!
I think that guy on the right is Dan Rather.
OMG! Can you imagine the recoil on that! And it looks like it still has the 2,000 meter rear sight on it! LOL!
Funny you mention this.
As I browsed through my daily “WTF Is going on in Russia” blogs I came across a post with this photo in it.
http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0906/a0/6778a8f6c0b8.jpg
It appears to be a Mosin Nagant type rifle but cut even further down.
Quite the hand cannon for that young chap to be toting around without a safety!
AB, thanks! Crazy!