UPDATE: Looks like the above photo is a photoshop. Thanks to JM for finding the original. These obrez pistols do exist and the bottom photo does appear authentic. Wow! Just when you think you have seen it all, you see a photo of a Mosin Nagant pistol!
Go read about it at Real Gun Guys.
UPDATE: AB posted a link in the comments to this photo of one that appears have been cut down to only a few inches of barrel!
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Funny you mention this.
As I browsed through my daily “WTF Is going on in Russia” blogs I came across a post with this photo in it.
http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0906/a0/6778a8f6c0b8.jpg
It appears to be a Mosin Nagant type rifle but cut even further down.
Quite the hand cannon for that young chap to be toting around without a safety!
OMG! Can you imagine the recoil on that! And it looks like it still has the 2,000 meter rear sight on it! LOL!
AB, thanks! Crazy!
I think that guy on the right is Dan Rather.
Any shorter and the chambered cartridge would be sticking out of the muzzle!
Dear Lord! The fireball alone would ensure you never had to worry about plucking your eyebrows ever again.
lol this is pretty funny,but must be uncomfortable pulling the bolt back
Haha, I’ve had this picture on my drive for ages! It’s definitely an oddball, though there’s is historical precedent. The Soviets did at one point develop (I’m using the term lightly…more like hack and chop) a “pistol” variant of the Mosin Nagant, a model of which is on display in a museum in Russia if I recall. I can’t remember the name of it though, hopefully someone else knows more and can fill in the gaps.
I could see one of these being fun to shoot if you hand-load a “pistol” strength cartridge for it. Anyone know of reloadable 54r brass?
Ummm. . . Wouldn’t that be considered a short-barrel rifle (SBR), with all the BATFE crap that that entails.
I must admit, beautiful looking work. But when you think about it, how useful is it? Short barrel, short sight radius, no safety, kick like TWO mules (and you’re not holding it to your shoulder) (break your wrist, knock yourself on the forehead), 6 foot flame (temporary blind). Two-handed, cross-handed operation?
All in all, thanks but no thanks. You try it first. Any videos of it being shot?
Notice skinny young man #1 has finger on trigger and muzzle pointed in the direction of skinny young man numero dos. Is there another picture here we are missing… happy gunman & headless couchman with persian rug backdrop perhaps?
I wonder what the muzzle flash is like with one of those… O.o
Disclaimer for those who may stumble onto this: In the US, the ATF would consider this a short-barreled-rifle, which requires federal registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934. You must register it before you start the project. Violation the 1934 NFA can land you in federal prison for up to 10 years.
Personal note: I *love* Mosin-Nagants for some reason I cannot understand. I’d love to try this.
B Woodman,
Note the Persian rug in the background, I’m guessing this photo was taken in central asia. Gunsmiths in the Khyber Pass have long come up with ingenious designs for weapons in an area where they are highly restricted, yet commonly needed. Modern weapons in particular are difficult to find, yet one hundred rifles are quite common. I guess someone wanted a pistol, and all they could find is a Mosgin. Clearly, it is useful because it is concealable, yet still is a firearm. No, it is not something that would have any use at all here in the states. I’d bet you could break your wrist with that thing if you’re not careful. I love the photo.
my wrist hurts just from looking at this.
as for the SBR, i was under the impression that it is legal to convert a rifle int a pistol, (Ala the Ruger charger) but taking it back to a rifle is illegal. please someone correct me if i am wrong.
higs, the Ruger Charger is manufactured as a pistol, it is not a rifle. You cannot take a un-concealable weapon and make is concealable.
I think the above gun is legally an SBR. Registering it as an SBR allow you have have any barrel length. They then simply converted the full stock into a pistol grip.
All right, thanks for the info.
Just so everyone knows, the first Nagant pistol is a photoshop! The link thru to the source has a video of a real sawn-off Nagant being fired, though…
Mang, what makes you say that?
Hah! Glad that link brought some laughs.
I found another one just goobering around the net and I think you may like it or be horrified.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9120/mosinzc5.jpg
A Nagant brought kicking and screaming into the new tactical world.
AB,
LOL
Okay, last one for the day.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/orderodonata/obrezmotivate.jpg
I think these last two photos are worth a post in the morning. haha
I must have suffered drain bammage from looking at the tacti-cool Nagant and have been looking up the parts it would take to make one of those.
Antique gun, collapsible shotgun stock, picatinny mounting set, foregrip, and a basic holographic sight all comes out to $250ish.
Reaction of people at the local gunclub when you whip that pig out and start slinging fireballs downrange: Priceless.
And most likely someone will call you a philistine for abusing an old relic. heh
Steve, it’s the way the shadow appears around the rear of the pistol grip. Notice how the shadow is shorter than the shadow cast by the trigger guard, and the shadow cast by the clip of ammo at top? Since the pistol grip is about as high off the ground as the clip and the trigger guard – actually it would be higher off the ground – the shadow it casts should be the same length, if not longer, than the shadow cast by these other elements of the photo. I also find it unusual that the shadow cast by the pistol grip seems to just stop an inch below the tang of the rifle. There’s no good reason for that, no placement of lighting I can see evidence of that would make that happen. I think the pistol grip was cut-and-pasted in from another weapon, rather than really being glued to the stock, and the joints were smoothed over with the clone and blur tools. I know from being a frequent photoshop user that this kind of shadow, and indeed this whole picture, is easy to generate with some clever photoshopping.
I agree the recoil would be a SOB when shooting this thing.
The obretz version of a Mosin Nagant goes all the way back to the Russian Revolution. There is also record of them being used in WWII by partizans. I have a pic I took of one in the Artillery and Sappers Museum in St. Petersburg.
The ammo used was supposed to be a reduced powder load using a bullet from Nagant revolver.
I agree with Mang. Shadows all wrong, grip has different lighting/focus, etc. What’s interesting is this could be art imitating life. The author may not have known about the Obrez.
If you really believe that the above chopped Mosin Nagant is a photoshop, then it’s one hell of a good job. What you cite about the image is alittle straw grasping IMHO
PTK from THR owns a “Obrez”, His name is eliteharbor or whatever on youtube that has a vid on there
Here’s is the SBR nagant being fired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I
Ok, thats a good idea if you want stitches in your forehead. We’re talking about a round that, at 1000 meters, retains as much velocity and energy as a .300 Winchester Magnum. The only succesful conversion of a rifle round into a pistol was and still is the .45-70 Gvt. And it takes being made of some really good stuff to be able to LIFT the revolver, let alone fire it. Whoever made this “pistol” should be pistol whipped with it for basically destroying a perfectly good piece of World War 2 history, not to mention violated a whole host of federal gun laws. Yes, I know that there have been over 180 million Mosin Nagant rifles produced since 1891 in all its various forms and incarnations, from the first M1891, to the Chinese T-53, but come on, dont destroy a mosin, destroy a Carcano, or an Enfield.
While obrez pistols obviously do exist, I’m afraid your opening image is a photoshop job. Here’s the original: http://imgur.com/WjgEn.jpg
JM, thanks for the link! haha.
This is actually mentionend on a website called http://www.7.62×54r.net
They were just cut down, not made that way. But I think you figured that one out