Comments on: 8 Bore Boxlock Rifle http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/ Firearms not Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:38:33 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Josh j http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9702 Josh j Sun, 17 May 2009 00:16:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9702 ??? what I shot was not a muzzle loader it was a black powder cartridge rifle, I like cowboy action stuff but not black powder too much cleaning. I also prefer to shoot farther than 50yds unless handgun hunting, that is very exciting at that range but there are too many stories of the venerable .458 mag failing to stop African dangerous game. did not mean to offend it does look nice and if you got the money it's your right to spend it on what you want. ??? what I shot was not a muzzle loader it was a black powder cartridge rifle, I like cowboy action stuff but not black powder too much cleaning.
I also prefer to shoot farther than 50yds unless handgun hunting, that is very exciting at that range but there are too many stories of the venerable .458 mag failing to stop African dangerous game.
did not mean to offend it does look nice and if you got the money it’s your right to spend it on what you want.

]]> By: Colin Stolzer http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9661 Colin Stolzer Sat, 16 May 2009 03:22:29 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9661 Matt Groom, Thank You. It really doesn't kill on both ends, it has about the same felt recoil as my .458 Win Mag, the difference is the 8 Bore is a hard shove , were as the .458WM is a sharp kick. B Woodman, "RE: picture above, that should be “A nickel IN the barrel.”" The picture of the Nickel was taken while it was still being built, before it was turned and crowned, in case you also happened to notice the chips at the muzzle. "An awesome representation of the master craftsman’s art." Thank you that's very kind, but I'm not even close to being a master. josh j, I guess my first answer should be that logic has nothing to do with owning fine hand made firearms. A Holland and Holland best grade royal side by side costs as much as a house and only holds two round, and for the same price I could by 100 nice bolt action rifles, but you know what, I would take the Holland and Holland every time. Because the Best Grade Side x Side has nostalgia, and a type of refinement that I can't get any place else. As to cost, you could have just emailed me and ask and I would have quoted you the price, instead you are assuming it's astronomical. In fact it is less than the cost of most of the 50BMG's. 500 A-square isn't likely to be cheaper to shoot, factory ammo is $90 - $115 USD a box of 20. That averages $5.00 a shot. I can shoot the 8 Bore for about $0.65 per shot. It shoots just fine past 100 yards, it was sighted in at 60 yards at the customers request. 60 Yards is actually a long shot for the type of hunting that these types of big bores are used for. Typical shots on large dangerous game, such as elephants are typically taken at less than 50 yards. As to the use of a 50BMG to hunt, I won't disagree that it will probably go through and through any animal, but through and through is not always the desired result. Sometimes the desired result is produced with more mass at less speed, and then you also have the problem of carrying the 30 pound 50BMG through the bush of Africa and being able to shoulder it and shoot it on the swing if necessary. Where as a custom made 11 pound 8 Bore that is perfectly fitted for the owner and swings like a fine shotgun is much easier to pack and use. As to the .50 Carbine you shot, I can't attest for your results, but I hunt muzzleloading season with a .50 cal Side by Side Muzzleloader every year and last year I shot through and through both shoulders of my whitetail and decimated both lungs, and the shot cost me about 45 cents. Without knowing more about your specific experience with shooting Muzzleloaders, I would say something doesn't sound right to me. Thanks for the compliments and comments. Colin Stolzer Matt Groom,
Thank You.
It really doesn’t kill on both ends, it has about the same felt recoil as my .458 Win Mag, the difference is the 8 Bore is a hard shove , were as the .458WM is a sharp kick.

B Woodman,
“RE: picture above, that should be “A nickel IN the barrel.””

The picture of the Nickel was taken while it was still being built, before it was turned and crowned, in case you also happened to notice the chips at the muzzle.

“An awesome representation of the master craftsman’s art.”
Thank you that’s very kind, but I’m not even close to being a master.

josh j,
I guess my first answer should be that logic has nothing to do with owning fine hand made firearms. A Holland and Holland best grade royal side by side costs as much as a house and only holds two round, and for the same price I could by 100 nice bolt action rifles, but you know what, I would take the Holland and Holland every time. Because the Best Grade Side x Side has nostalgia, and a type of refinement that I can’t get any place else.
As to cost, you could have just emailed me and ask and I would have quoted you the price, instead you are assuming it’s astronomical. In fact it is less than the cost of most of the 50BMG’s.
500 A-square isn’t likely to be cheaper to shoot, factory ammo is $90 – $115 USD a box of 20. That averages $5.00 a shot. I can shoot the 8 Bore for about $0.65 per shot. It shoots just fine past 100 yards, it was sighted in at 60 yards at the customers request. 60 Yards is actually a long shot for the type of hunting that these types of big bores are used for. Typical shots on large dangerous game, such as elephants are typically taken at less than 50 yards.
As to the use of a 50BMG to hunt, I won’t disagree that it will probably go through and through any animal, but through and through is not always the desired result. Sometimes the desired result is produced with more mass at less speed, and then you also have the problem of carrying the 30 pound 50BMG through the bush of Africa and being able to shoulder it and shoot it on the swing if necessary. Where as a custom made 11 pound 8 Bore that is perfectly fitted for the owner and swings like a fine shotgun is much easier to pack and use.
As to the .50 Carbine you shot, I can’t attest for your results, but I hunt muzzleloading season with a .50 cal Side by Side Muzzleloader every year and last year I shot through and through both shoulders of my whitetail and decimated both lungs, and the shot cost me about 45 cents. Without knowing more about your specific experience with shooting Muzzleloaders, I would say something doesn’t sound right to me.

Thanks for the compliments and comments.
Colin Stolzer

]]> By: Josh j http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9650 Josh j Fri, 15 May 2009 23:44:05 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9650 ??????? I don't get the logic with this I could not find cost but it would have to be astronomical. just get a 500 A square bet it's cheaper you can shoot it past 60yds and it will have much more energy. there are also many Smokeless 70+ cal rounds but there is no reason to exceed 50cal. 50bmg out of mil spec barrel puts 12000 energy a shot, it will go thru and thru any living thing on this planet. I have personally shot a 50cal black powder carbine no recoil at all did little or no impact damage and was low at 75yds. the round I shot cost in excess of $3 each, I can get 50rds of .44 mag for 39.99 and it does more damage. ??????? I don’t get the logic with this I could not find cost but it would have to be astronomical.
just get a 500 A square bet it’s cheaper you can shoot it past 60yds and it will have much more energy.
there are also many Smokeless 70+ cal rounds but there is no reason to exceed 50cal.
50bmg out of mil spec barrel puts 12000 energy a shot, it will go thru and thru any living thing on this planet.
I have personally shot a 50cal black powder carbine no recoil at all did little or no impact damage and was low at 75yds.
the round I shot cost in excess of $3 each, I can get 50rds of .44 mag for 39.99 and it does more damage.

]]> By: B Woodman http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9633 B Woodman Fri, 15 May 2009 14:38:08 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9633 RE: picture above, that should be "A nickel IN the barrel." An awesome representation of the master craftsman's art. RE: picture above, that should be “A nickel IN the barrel.”

An awesome representation of the master craftsman’s art.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9631 Steve Fri, 15 May 2009 12:45:11 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9631 Broadsword, no - just black paint ;) Matt, it is for men who are more manly than I. Broadsword, no – just black paint ;)

Matt, it is for men who are more manly than I.

]]> By: Broadsword http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9630 Broadsword Fri, 15 May 2009 12:43:17 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9630 Hmm...would a bayonet mount, pistol grip and flash-kaboom suppressor transform this beauty into an assault rifle? Would it also need to be painted black? Hmm…would a bayonet mount, pistol grip and flash-kaboom suppressor transform this beauty into an assault rifle? Would it also need to be painted black?

]]> By: Matt Groom http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/15/8-bore-boxlock-rifle/#comment-9629 Matt Groom Fri, 15 May 2009 12:37:41 +0000 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?p=6379#comment-9629 Neat, but K.O.B.E. (Kills On Both Ends). Neat, but K.O.B.E. (Kills On Both Ends).

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